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All-In [47795]
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I'm sooooo ready for vaccine passports so the
May 5, 2021, 8:10 AM
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responsible members of society can rejoin in society without distancing and masks and Neanderthals can hide in their caves
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Re: I'm sooooo ready for vaccine passports so the
May 5, 2021, 8:23 AM
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I’m not vaccinated, I don’t wear a mask any longer, and I certainly will not be hiding in a cave.
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I wonder the long term impacts on health care and insurance costs.
May 5, 2021, 8:54 AM
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Short term costs (absenteeism, OT coverage) and lost productivity to businesses from lingering COVID-19 cases from the anti-Vaxers are direct and not insignificant. The cost of treating long haulers and potentially chronic or permanent health issues from the virus will eventually be passed on to all insured parties.
Seems once the EU authorization becomes permanent, then private enterprises will become more avid vaccine advocates. A squeeze similar to that used on tobacco users may occur.
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Orange Blooded [4679]
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Re: I wonder the long term impacts on health care and insurance costs.
May 5, 2021, 9:03 AM
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I have no doubt they will try to put the squeeze on us.
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Re: I wonder the long term impacts on health care and insurance costs.
May 5, 2021, 10:01 AM
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I am just now starting to get over long-haul COVID myself.
It. Effed. Me. Up. Put me out of work for better than three months. Wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy, and I'm still not back 100%...and honestly, I'm kinda wondering if I'm ever really gonna be or if there's some stuff I'm just going to have to learn to live with.
My overwhelming suspicion is, when Variant X comes sweeping in next year and it's meaner, nastier, and even more vicious than what we just went through, and it rips right through the unvaccinated population, America's going to be short a couple million anti-vaxxers at the end of it.
I won't be saying "I told you so", because I suspect there may not be many folks left to argue with at that point.
This thing feels like a perfect storm brewing, it really does.
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Re: I wonder the long term impacts on health care and insurance costs.
May 5, 2021, 12:03 PM
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Was that meant to insult him?
May 5, 2021, 11:56 PM
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You should ask about Tardog's history and why he isn't getting the vaccine then. I hope you feel like a big bad man today.
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Re: I wonder the long term impacts on health care and insurance costs.
May 6, 2021, 11:49 AM
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Yes, because that's exactly how it works.
Why don't you go explain things to Justin Foster and Xavier Thomas? I'm sure they'd be fascinated to hear your theories on masculinity.
Let me know how that conversation goes.
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Lemme go on record and say
May 5, 2021, 9:10 AM
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Everyone should get vaccinated, but the government can take this vaccine passport idea and shove it.
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Re: Lemme go on record and say
May 5, 2021, 9:26 AM
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Thank you! I agree. Everyone who wants the vaccine should get it. Those who opt out have made a personal choice. The government can keep out.
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who said anything about government? the passport is
May 5, 2021, 10:57 AM
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a credential and nothing more. Your kids have to show vaccination records to go to school. without it, you're stuck homeschooling in your cave. Same thing with Covid vaccine .... you can show your credentials to access airplans, trains, resturannts, sports stadiums, cruise ships etc... or you can sit at home and worship the Orange man
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Re: Lemme go on record and say
May 5, 2021, 11:52 AM
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It's fine, you can make your personal choice. But choices have consequences, and if businesses or schools, or whatever decide that they will only serve or permit people who have been vaccinated, well, don't cry about your rights being denied.
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Re: Lemme go on record and say
May 5, 2021, 12:09 PM
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...'84.***
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Government...maybe I agree with you...
May 5, 2021, 9:51 AM
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but I fully believe in a private business having the right to refuse entry/service to people who aren't vaccinated.
I thought most of the outrage against passports were businesses using/requiring them.
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Re: Government...maybe I agree with you...
May 5, 2021, 9:55 AM
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I have a business. So, you’re saying I can refuse service to anyone I so choose?
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For certain reasons, yes...
May 5, 2021, 10:16 AM
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just like a business can require shoes to be worn, or masks to be worn.
I don't think you can refuse service based on race, gender, religion, etc...
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Re: For certain reasons, yes...
May 5, 2021, 10:31 AM
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So the government really does get to decide ? I’m just pointing out that any time the government gets involved it’s about to be a mess.
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Re: For certain reasons, yes...
May 5, 2021, 10:47 AM
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Again, govern away as long as we’re saying as a private business owner I get to choose what’s best for me. Let me do that and I’m good.
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up until you infringe on another's rights....right?....
May 5, 2021, 10:48 AM
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should that kind of sentiment always end in that disclaimer?
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Re: up until you infringe on another's rights....right?....
May 5, 2021, 11:01 AM
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As a business owner I have rights too. If a business wants to refuse service to me over a vaccine it’s fine. I can go somewhere else. I want the right to decline someone’s business based on my personal convictions as well. It’s that simple.
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I think as long as it's not a protected class, you can now..
May 5, 2021, 11:53 AM
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right?
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Re: I think as long as it's not a protected class, you can now..
May 5, 2021, 11:58 AM
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We know where this is going. A business owner can refuse no vaccinated people but on my private farm I can not refuse to perform a gay wedding due to my religious beliefs. That does not fly with me.
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Who said you couldn't refuse to perform such a wedding?
May 5, 2021, 1:10 PM
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How many times has this happened to you?
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Re: Who said you couldn't refuse to perform such a wedding?
May 5, 2021, 1:17 PM
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Prod, meet Tardog. Tardog just says stuff. You'll get used to him.
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Re: Who said you couldn't refuse to perform such a wedding?
May 5, 2021, 3:08 PM
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My attorney said do you bone head.
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Wait, you're complaining about the government
May 6, 2021, 7:12 AM
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because of something your attorney told you not to do? The government hasn't told you not to? Maybe you need a new attorney.
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Re: Wait, you're complaining about the government
May 6, 2021, 7:27 AM
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Wow!! Let’s try it this way. What happens if I decline a request to do a gay wedding on my property? Can you say potential civil rights law suit? Did my attorney make the law that says my religious preference to decline will not be allowed? Who made that law? That would be the government. You can think this through if you give it a try.
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What law are you referring to?
May 6, 2021, 7:33 AM
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The big lawsuits I know about on this subject were won by the people with the religious beliefs. So it seems like the law is on your side.
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Re: What law are you referring to?
May 6, 2021, 8:52 AM
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Do I really want to go fight in court , make national news, spend thousands on a part time gig. No I don’t. Good chance I would lose also.
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Again, it seems you are blaming the government
May 6, 2021, 9:32 AM
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For things the government has nothing to do with. It sounds more like you don't want to be sued. That has nothing to do with the government. That's you. (And I'm not saying you're wrong.)
If you can state a law that would force you to do what you don't want to do here, then that would prove me very wrong. You haven't stated one yet.
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Re: Ain't no law on that, bruh.***
May 6, 2021, 8:53 AM
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Wrong.
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All-In [42021]
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Okay, I guess this is the moment you prove me wrong.
May 6, 2021, 8:53 AM
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Gimme some links. Specifically for your state, as well.
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Re: Okay, I guess this is the moment you prove me wrong.
May 6, 2021, 9:05 AM
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Gay marriage is legal now right? Here’s what my attorney says. If you’re lucky the couple will just go somewhere else. If they decide to be an activist they will drag you through the courts claiming civil rights discrimination. He said I could maybe win but after spending thousands and many hours of stress. That’s where we are. As for specific laws go look it up yourself. I think the baker won the case a year or two ago right? How was life for the baker during that time?
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No, no, no...
May 6, 2021, 9:07 AM
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C'mon, man. Don't do that cheap typical P&R BS.
That’s where we are. As for specific laws go look it up yourself.
You said there was a specific law that prevented you from doing what you wanted. We asked what that was. If your response is for us to go look it up ourselves, that means you don't know if there is a law and you're just grasping.
Either prove your claim or just admit you don't know there to be an actual law.
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Re: No, no, no...
May 6, 2021, 9:10 AM
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Is gay marriage now legal? Is that law?
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Re: No, no, no...
May 6, 2021, 9:16 AM
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Gay marriage is legal in the sense that states can't bar gay people from getting married. As in their actual government licenses and such.
That doesn't cover businesses serving them as customers.
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Re: No, no, no...
May 6, 2021, 9:21 AM
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What it means is that if a gay couple decides that since marriage is legal, and since I’m “denying them civil rights based on discrimination”, they could decide to go activist and make a splash. My attorney says I might win but at what cost? So, since our beloved government changed the legal laws on marriage it absolutely does put me in a tough spot. So, yes, the government opened this potential can of worms. It’s a part time gig. We are no longer public with it because of the increased risk. I’m not risking everything because somebody wants to make the news.
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Re: No, no, no...
May 6, 2021, 9:27 AM
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Lawd, making gay marriage legal told all governments they can't bar them from getting married. It didn't say anything about private businesses.
Let me guess, though. You have a problem with the government saying you should have to serve a gay couple, but you also think gay marriage should still be outlawed.
No? Correct me if I'm wrong.
Hint: You don't want to say you think gay marriage should be illegal because it destroys your argument.
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Re: No, no, no...
May 6, 2021, 9:37 AM
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My point is that the government opened a can of worms for businesses who would rather not perform gay marriage services. Again, maybe I win if I’m dragged into court but at what cost? To answer your question , I do not think gay marriage should be legal. You knew who’s I would answer that. Otherwise, why would I be concerned about all this crap they’ve opened. No, it dies not destroy my argument but it does not agree with your opinion. So, I’m your mind that destroys my argument. Going to work now. Have a great day.
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Re: No, no, no...
May 6, 2021, 10:23 AM
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My point is that the government opened a can of worms for businesses who would rather not perform gay marriage services. Again, maybe I win if I’m dragged into court but at what cost?
I think you--and your lawyer--need to review the Supreme Court case concerning this a little more closely.
To answer your question , I do not think gay marriage should be legal.
Yep, it destroys your argument and shows you're a hypocrite. It's kind of like that indoctrination argument. You are okay with it if it's YOUR belief system.
Let's break down what you're saying:
"How dare the government attack my freedom and dictate to me as a business owner who I can and can't serve!"
While in the same breath saying:
"The government should forbid certain consenting adults from being allowed to marry whomever they want!"
That's pure, base hypocrisy. Nothing else around it. You're saying you're just fine with government overreach into freedoms so long as it forbids what you don't like. This is the problem we got into with Trump and the push to fascism: Citizens who deep down want fascism (but often don't even realize it) are fine with infringing on other people's rights as long as they feel theirs are protected.
Our founding fathers took care to try to avoid this.
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Re: No, no, no...
May 6, 2021, 11:02 AM
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One last response because we will go around and around and never agree. No , I’m not being a hypocrite. The government does not get to decide what is moral. The government can pass laws that I disagree with. If I then were to say oh well it’s the law and the norm now do I need to get in line, that’s when I would be a hypocrite. The government can decide its ok for gays to get married. I don’t have to agree and I don’t have to comply on my private property. I realize most on this board thinks that’s an awful attitude. Ok by me.
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All-In [42021]
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And...
May 6, 2021, 11:41 AM
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You and your religion don't get to decide what is moral based on your book and whether or not certain people can get married.
Not in this country. See the First Amendment.
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Re: And...
May 6, 2021, 1:17 PM
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Now see that is where I knew you would eventually go with the “book”. You and I have a different world view so we won’t be able to agree. I will not be able to conform to your standards of morality. So, I’ll just leave it there.
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Re: And...
May 6, 2021, 1:22 PM
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Yep, you're right. And we don't have to. Our Constitution, however, says you can't dictate people's personal lives based on your religious beliefs. Thus, gay people can get married. It doesn't affect you and you don't have a right to force your religious beliefs on them.
So says the First Amendment and the SCOTUS.
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Oh, he's a bad attorney
May 9, 2021, 8:00 PM
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Do you pay him in Chex party mix?
Every moron knows sexual orientation is not protected by federal civil rights laws. A handful of states have protections, but I doubt you live in one of them.
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Re: TIL Tardog is a wedding planner
May 6, 2021, 6:18 AM
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My wife is the planner. I cut the grass and lift heavy stuff. My primary business is very manly. Lol
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So anything bound by any kind of constitutional right is...
May 5, 2021, 10:47 AM
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a mess?
I can't agree with that. That's pretty extreme.
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Re: Absolutely.
May 5, 2021, 10:11 AM
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Glad we agree that as a private business owner I can refuse service as I choose. We have a part time wedding venue so I agree. My business, my choice.
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All ghey weddings huh?
May 5, 2021, 10:14 AM
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We respect your decision.
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Re: All ghey weddings huh?
May 5, 2021, 10:17 AM
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Awesome!!
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Re: Absolutely.
May 5, 2021, 10:21 AM
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Maybe the government can start implementing a diet for everyone. Maybe the government can tell you how many alcoholic beverages you can have. You know, for the betterment of society.
I'm with you on this Cat. Get vaxed, but the government shouldn't be implementing laws or regs to basically force vaccination. Private business, well that may be a different story.
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I don't think you'll find many ppl that would support...
May 5, 2021, 10:25 AM
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government forcing vaccination as a general statement. And I really don't hear anyone calling for that.
I don't think I have a problem with the government providing a passport to show who is vaccinated for private use.
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Agreed.
May 5, 2021, 10:35 AM
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Let the business owners decide for the safety of their customers and employees. It's like businesses that choose not to let guns into their establishment.
My fear is some overzealous types wanting our government to start barring (and punishing) people from access to certain areas, events, transportation, etc., if they don't have it.
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That pretty much seems like a guarantee to me***
May 5, 2021, 10:40 AM
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How it usually goes, right?
May 5, 2021, 10:44 AM
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I'm sure someone came up with the passport idea and genuinely had altruistic motives behind it. But there will be people in power who look at it and say, "Yep... a weapon to use for control."
Like folks making those really creepy robot dogs. People making them are probably saying, "Imagine all the good these things can do for us in the work force, hospitals, rescue, etc.!"
And someone in the Pentagon looking at it and saying, "Let's put some .50 cals on those mother #######..."
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That's already the case for international travel, isn't it..
May 5, 2021, 10:54 AM
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don't most all countries have immunization requirements for entry?
And I definitely suspect air travel is going to require proof of vaccine at some point. Not sure if that will be a TSA requirement or airlines.
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Re: Government...maybe I agree with you...
May 5, 2021, 2:49 PM
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fowlchee says that you can contract and transfer the virus , vaccinated or not
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yes, we all know...***
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How are we defining tyranny now? Did something change?***
May 5, 2021, 3:38 PM
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Oppressive use of power.
May 5, 2021, 3:52 PM
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Same way conservatives lose when they go to bat for the censorship practices of companies like Twitter and Facebook. But muh private companies.
As though being oppressed by corporations is better than being oppressed by the government somehow.
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There's a difference. Facebook is not oppressing anyone
May 6, 2021, 7:59 AM
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because no one is forced to use it. It's different when the government does it, because you don't have much of a choice except to move to a different country.
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Explain
May 6, 2021, 10:33 AM
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How is a private social media platform that no American is required to use oppressing anyone?
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I never said government...a passport is simply a
May 5, 2021, 10:58 AM
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verifiable credential
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Lot o points [155633]
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Man, Charlotte's done worn off on you.***
May 5, 2021, 9:11 AM
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the millions of dead have
May 5, 2021, 12:37 PM
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ignorance is bliss in Greenville County, SC however. that much is evident from a quick view of the discussions in here and the objective data. Their numbers have been comparable to Mecklenburg County, NC yet with 1/2 the population.
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Re: the millions of dead have
May 5, 2021, 12:41 PM
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Re: the millions of dead have
May 5, 2021, 12:43 PM
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Greenville Co with not submit
thousands of civil war deserters gathered there in the hills
deal with that
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Re: that's not what I said but cute that its your best argument***
May 5, 2021, 12:58 PM
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Re: that's not what I said but cute that its your best argument***
May 5, 2021, 3:16 PM
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I'd be interested to know the percent of people that have been able to work from home in Meck County as opposed to Greenville. This could be a reason for higher transmission rates.
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Looks like over the past week Greenville County has half
May 5, 2021, 1:00 PM
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the cases of Mecklenburg. Only 368 cases in Anderson where nobody GAF. When I have people come in from out of state it's like they've walked into Utopia, not being assaulted over not wearing a mask and being able to go into a restaurant seems to be quite freeing for them.
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Re: Looks like over the past week Greenville County has half
May 5, 2021, 1:02 PM
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I can't wait to get back to SC. I'm tired of having to have a mask in my pocket everywhere I go. People here in my part of VA walk around outside with masks on. I think I'd be on the evening news if I took it off in the grocery store god forbid.
That being said, I'm not afraid to be cavalier about it after being fully vaccinated. If I didn't have the vaccines I'd still be pretty nervy about being around the wretched unwashed masses that is the general public.
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That’s great and all, but I just never thought you’d be a
May 5, 2021, 1:32 PM
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“Show me your papers” kind of guy. And I say that as someone who has been vaccinated.
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Re: I'm sooooo ready for vaccine passports so the
May 5, 2021, 9:15 AM
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lived in a cave, with bats, immune
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Wouldn't a vaccine passports violate HIPPA laws?
May 5, 2021, 10:08 AM
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wondered about that.
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Re: Wouldn't a vaccine passports violate HIPPA laws?
May 5, 2021, 10:21 AM
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We're about to learn something about plagues the hard way, I think. When the chips really, really, really get down, and they really start getting threatening, the Powers That Be will do what they have to do.
Survival trumps, well, everything.
We just aren't that desperate yet with COVID. But a really bad variant that starts pushing the death toll up from 585K where it is today (which is an insane number, by the way, more than ten times the number that died in Vietnam!), into the millions, and peoples' tunes are going to change...and real quick.
I'm on the fence about this passport thing precisely because of that. Right now I think it's a waste of time mostly because there's not enough political will, nationally, to make it work, and without that it's pointless. People would fight it, individual states and governments would fight it, probably appeal to the Supreme Court - who are conservative, and so likely to overturn any action Biden takes - and so vax passport is probably a wasted and futile effort that will blow up in Biden's face if he tries it...now, anyway.
So we may have to face the prospect that we're looking at COVID Comeback in the winter if we fail to achieve herd immunity, and if we catch a nasty variant - which I suspect is likely - what history tells us is the second wave of a bug is always by far the worst.
We may have to take that really severe hit - and lose millions - before people in America are really ready to do what's actually gotta be done to finally control this bug.
I hope I'm wrong, but I don't think I am. I think we're going to get absolutely crushed this winter.
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I heard an "expert" talk about that recently and he said...
May 5, 2021, 10:27 AM
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it would not violate HIPAA law if done "correctly". I believe there would be consent from the individual involved.
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we already have them for other vaccines like
May 5, 2021, 10:54 AM
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yellow fever etc... when traveling to certain countries. I'm not saying everyone has to get one, but businesses/venues/travel can require them.
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Slave mentality.***
May 5, 2021, 10:25 AM
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^post like mother-in-law
May 5, 2021, 12:11 PM
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Everything is just so ###### dramatic, right?
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clear projection.***
May 5, 2021, 4:32 PM
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Ron Paul is weeping at you***
May 5, 2021, 10:56 AM
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Re: I'm sooooo ready for vaccine passports so the
May 5, 2021, 11:59 AM
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So much for personal responsibility. But you are a war hawk Rino so I would expect this from you.
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I'm a "war hawk"?
May 5, 2021, 12:07 PM
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uh?
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this one comment. you might as well be Nance Pelosi***
May 5, 2021, 2:46 PM
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Re: I'm sooooo ready for vaccine passports so the
May 6, 2021, 7:29 AM
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I think a lot of people are waiting for the FDA to approve the vaccine before they take it.
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I realized this morning that I have no idea where my
May 6, 2021, 1:02 PM
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vaccine card is.
Good thing they put the chip in me.
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Yea... that second one seemed thicker. Can they listen, too?***
May 11, 2021, 1:33 AM
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