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FB Champ. Playoff Selection Sucks
Nov 26, 2018, 4:03 PM
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The current FB Champ. playoff selection is no better than the old crowning a National Champ. at the end of the season by sports writers/coaches. OR however it was voted on. Under the current system, the selection committee still get to determine who the top 4 teams are. What has really changed? The committee manipulates the teams to arrive at the playoff teams they want. They manipulate the rankings to get the match ups they want. It is still a system determined by other factors other than the won/loss record.
ND should NOT be in the top 4 playoff teams. They have a 12-0 record. So do, Clemson and Alabama. But, ND will be in on a 12-0 record. Clemson and Alabama may not be in on a 12-0 record, if they lose the conference championship game and end up 12-1. Plus ND gets a bye week, and does not have to expose their team to injuries before a playoff game. If ND is going to be "in" on a 12-0 record, at the end of their regular season, then all teams should be in or out based on reg. season record. Or if that is not going to be the case, then ND should not be in. Period.
The playoff system should follow letting the teams records be the sole criteria.
Take the top eight conferences (ACC, Big 12, Big 10, Pac 12, SEC, AAC, Mt. West, Sun Belt) and the conference champion from each conference makes the final 8 playoff teams. Pair the strongest conference champions against the weakest conference champions in the 4 playoff games. The 4 winning teams play for the final championship game. Figure out the pairings for the final 4.
ND can join a conference or sit it out for a shot at the Championship games. No one should get a effing bye. And that is what ND is getting. And that is not fair to the other teams that may be eliminated based on playing a conference championship. Plus, what if in that conference championship game the QB gets injured and cannot play in the Championship game? If Clemson loses to Pitt in the ACCCG, CU is out. If CU wins and TL gets injured and can't play in CG, CU loses. ND avoids both scenarios. Unfair.
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You have been a grouch today!
Nov 26, 2018, 4:07 PM
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Did you make chili with the leftover turkey? Need some Tums? 
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Re: You have been a grouch today!
Nov 26, 2018, 4:11 PM
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Do you have a good recipe for Turkey chili? I'll try it.
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Re: FB Champ. Playoff Selection Sucks
Nov 26, 2018, 4:16 PM
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First off I hate ND as much as the next person and I look forward to hopefully playing them in Miami. But honestly have no problem with ND being in. Yes it’s kind of not fair they get an additional week off and avoid injury, but they have already played 11 power 5 teams. Which will be the same as us, and bama, and uga, and OU etc will have played after this week. We’ve all only played 10 thus far.
Plus the conference champ games can add a big boost to your resume and help you get in if your on the outside. It’s a give take like anything else.
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The committee’s job is to get the 4 best teams
Nov 26, 2018, 4:16 PM
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If you don’t think ND is one of the 4 best teams based on resume, I don’t know what to tell you.
They’ve played a P5 schedule and went undefeated. I’m tired of hearing this “they have to be in a conference” crap. Their schedule on a year in year out basis is one of the hardest in the country.
And the hypothetical of “what if this school gets one of their players hurt in the conf champ game?” is pretty silly too as if players only get hurt in conf championship games.
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Re: The committee’s job is to get the 4 best teams
Nov 26, 2018, 4:52 PM
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"as if players only get hurt in conf championship games."
Well, that's something Coach Kelly won't have to worry about. Point is, either you are in on a 12 game
reg. schedule or you're not. I have no problem w/ND being in. My problem is they are in on a 12 game reg. schedule and the other teams are not. Clemson is not in until we win 13 games.
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When the playoff expands to 8 teams, there isn't a chance in ####
Nov 26, 2018, 4:27 PM
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that the AAC, Mt. West & Sun Belt champs will be included! They will be lucky if even one G5 team is guaranteed a spot. Even then, there will probably be a requirement that the G5 rep is ranked in the top 12 or so. The SEC will push for the conference champs, plus three at large, which they think should all come from the SEC. Even with 8, I don't think any conference should be allowed more than two of the eight!
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Re: FB Champ. Playoff Selection Sucks
Nov 26, 2018, 4:44 PM
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So you don't think ND should get in at 12-0 because they don't play a 13th game, but you'd have no problem with the potential for any of what would be an 8-5 Pitt, 9-4 Northwestern, 11-2 Fresno State/Boise State, 9-4 Memphis, 10-3 Texas, 10-3 Utah, or 10-3 Washington teams getting into the playoffs by winning their conference championship games?
I'd be all for ND getting left out if the choice is close between them and another team with the same record or something, but it's silly to want to leave them out for not playing a 13th game. Would they really have earned it more if they added a 13th game against Furman or some team like that?
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Re: FB Champ. Playoff Selection Sucks
Nov 26, 2018, 4:59 PM
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We may very well be left out because of playing a 13th game. Not too worried about this yr., but when a strong ACC team from Coastal shows up in ACCCG, it may be the 13th game that knocks us out. Same for SEC teams. ND will never have to face that. 12-0 and they are in. Us 12-0 and we are not in.
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Re: FB Champ. Playoff Selection Sucks
Nov 26, 2018, 5:06 PM
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At the end of the day ND played 10 games against P5 teams which is the same amount that Clemson did. Yes, technically the 13th game for Clemson is after ND's regular season is over, but that 13th game for Clemson really only means that we played Furman. Would it make you feel better if ND added a game against Furman for a 13th game to be played on the week of the conference championship games?
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Re: FB Champ. Playoff Selection Sucks
Nov 26, 2018, 5:08 PM
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Those teams are not likely to win the final Champ game. But, the Basketball NCAA tournament is full of teams w/records as you describe. And no one seems to mind. The best teams usually end up in the final 4 and get there by winning, not based on some committee determining the final 4. And conference wins guarantee them a spot.
I can understand why some Clemson fans may not want ND in the ACC. They would be a force to reckon with year after year. But I would love to see us play them every yr. for the ACCC.
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Re: FB Champ. Playoff Selection Sucks
Nov 26, 2018, 5:29 PM
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I don't think you can really compare football to basketball since the basketball tournament has 68 teams, and the conferences have actual tournaments to determine the winner of the auto bid. With that, each team in the conference has an equal path to winning the bid. In football, you could have a situation like last year in the SEC where Georgia and Alabama both lost to Auburn in the regular season.
However, Georgia still won their division since Auburn wasn't in the same one as them, and they got a 2nd chance against Auburn where Bama didn't. There's no fair way of determining it, but basically I don't see how playing in a weaker division made Georgia deserve anything more than Bama did. What I'm trying to say is there's no fair way to do things in college football due to the number of teams. In basketball you do have auto bids, but all of the top teams still get in anyway so those #16 seeded teams aren't taking a spot away from a top 10 team or anything.
Also, I'd love to have ND in the ACC, and I do wish they had to join a conference. In a year where they're 11-1, and it's a debate between them getting in vs. a 12-1 conference winner then I'd be on the side of that conference winner. However, I'm not for keeping them out at 12-0 just for the sake of proving a point either.
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Re: FB Champ. Playoff Selection Sucks
Nov 26, 2018, 4:47 PM
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So for example this scenario might produce first round match ups of Alabama vs App state and Clemson vs Fresno State. Not sure there would be much enthusiasm for those kinda games.
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Re: FB Champ. Playoff Selection Sucks
Nov 26, 2018, 5:08 PM
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Re: FB Champ. Playoff Selection Sucks
Nov 26, 2018, 5:40 PM
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UGA at #4 has to beat the #1 team in the country to be in the playoff. They would be better off not being in the championship game. Is it fair they have to play a defacto quarterfinal?
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I look at ND as a gimme playoff win
Nov 26, 2018, 5:48 PM
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No complaints. Tigers can live with that ... a couple more scrimmages then bring on the elephants.
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Re: UGA vs Bama
Nov 27, 2018, 7:37 AM
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What’s the difference in us vs (a good) FSU; Mich vs OSU; Auburn/LSU vs Bama; etc., to get to a Conf Championship?
Just different ‘timing’ imho.
But I do get your point - sorry, I have only observations and opinions, too - no solutions.
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