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Name a game that Dabo's coaching lost.
Jul 22, 2012, 10:13 AM
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Spurrier's coaching lost SCAR the Auburn game and a trip to the SEC championship game.
Anyone care to name a game Dabo blew?
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the spring game, all 3 of them.***
Jul 22, 2012, 10:15 AM
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Re: Name a game that Dabo's coaching lost.
Jul 22, 2012, 10:27 AM
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Fl. State game two season's ago on a 55 yd field goal. Clemson's offensive play calling that game was awful.
There should never have been an opportunity for the Noles to win it at the end of the game.
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I gotta agree with you there partner.***
Jul 22, 2012, 10:41 AM
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Re: Name a game that Dabo's coaching lost.
Jul 22, 2012, 10:28 AM
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the losses can be attrbuted to Ron Cherry.There is no way Dabo has been out coached
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Orange Blooded [2481]
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LOL
Jul 22, 2012, 11:56 AM
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lol
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Re: Name a game that Dabo's coaching lost.
Jul 22, 2012, 10:29 AM
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PAGE TWO - To clarify, our red zone offensive play calling.
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Interesting approach!
Jul 22, 2012, 10:30 AM
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I never considered the "He doesn't coach, so you can't hold him accountable for any losses" approach. Well played.
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Re: Interesting approach!
Jul 22, 2012, 10:36 AM
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You win! Dabo doesn't coach so he can't lose! Dabo is undefeated!
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Face it - some people simply never liked Dabo and never
Jul 22, 2012, 10:56 AM
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will. They didn't get their "big name" coach when Dabo was hired. They are still butt-hurt and pouting, and no amount of reasoning or logic will persuade them to get behind Dabo. Their heels are dug in, and they view any success for Clemson under Dabo as evidence that they were wrong, and their delicate egos can't handle that. Instead, they will claim under a big-name or more experienced coach, we would have been even more successful. On the other hand, any failure by Clemson under Dabo is a huge personal victory for these clowns. They are in a situation where they actually have to pull against Clemson, even though they will deny it.
So, save your breath if you are trying to make a pro-Dabo argument with these nimrods.
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^^^^^What he said!
Jul 22, 2012, 11:01 AM
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Point for you, sir! Dabo loves Clemson and is truly building something special.
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Re: Face it - some people simply never liked Dabo and never
Jul 22, 2012, 11:42 AM
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well, smiling tiger..... you seem to have all the "love dabo" bases covered from the "hate dabos." actually, i never liked dabo but was and still am willing to change my mind.
All I want to see is some Danny Ford defense and offensive line play. That good enough for you?
Yeah, we are recruiting superstars. But who is going to block for them. Do we have anyone that can tackle?
Same problems we have had for years.
Im tired of hearing about faith, sunday school and all that.
I want to see a football team that scares the crap out of people when they have to come to the valley. Nuff Said.
Show me that and everyone will jump on the blabo bandwagon.
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Okay
Jul 22, 2012, 12:23 PM
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All I want to see is some Danny Ford defense and offensive line play. That good enough for you? Yeah, we are recruiting superstars. But who is going to block for them. Do we have anyone that can tackle?
I share those concerns. Our coaches, collectively, have decided to focus on certain areas and positions in recruiting. While I too long for the days of domination in the trenches, I trust all of our coaches in that regard; they must feel pretty good about the interior linemen we have or else they'd be more of a priority. Time will tell if they were wrong.
I want to see a football team that scares the crap out of people when they have to come to the valley.
Me too. I'm not sure we're there yet, but I think Dabo understands that and has us heading in that direction (hiring Morris and Venebles, both hard-nosed, firey, no-nonsense coordinators, for example).
Im tired of hearing about faith, sunday school and all that.
Personally, I like that - but that's just me. It doesn't have anything to do with success (or the lack thereof) in football, other than it may influence certain recruits and their families.
So, I share many of your concerns, but I don't hate Dabo. In fact, I like him, his personality, and his passion. He's still gotta keep winning, cut out the blow-out losses to weaker teams, and win even bigger; of course that is the bottom line. But you can have those concerns and still support and pull for Dabo. That's why the hatred for Dabo is about more than just winning and losing, or results. It's about people who just don't like his personality or what he stands for; for them it has nothing to do with on the field results. They continue to pull against Dabo, and take satisfaction in Clemson football failures for their own selfish, child-like reasons.
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Intuitive response to the nay-sayers. Clemson's on the rise***
Jul 22, 2012, 2:27 PM
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Re: Face it - some people simply never liked Dabo and never
Jul 22, 2012, 1:10 PM
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did you read the article about droogsma today? the coaches told him the same thing you are saying, they know we need o-line help, and they are trying to get it. as far as tackling, did you happen to notice where most of our defensive guys were rated coming out of hs? they don't get rated that high without being able to tackle. come on if you, and i, can see a problem, the coaches who have been a lot closer to the game than we have, for a lot longer, have seen it also. we have some of the top assistant coaches in the country, a few who have nc rings,and you think they don't know if we have a problem,and where, you are very wrong. they have their livelihood on the line, what do you have riding on the team?
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Re: Face it - some people simply never liked Dabo and never
Jul 22, 2012, 1:31 PM
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Loved Danny Ford football but it don't work anymore.
Too many Chad Morris s out there.
They just don't need that much time in the backfield to score anymore.
I remember Danny saying upon several occasions, If I could just get them to play 2 halves.
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Re: Face it - some people simply never liked Dabo and never
Jul 22, 2012, 2:51 PM
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Wow, you hit the nail dead center on the head. It is probably the same people that said it was stupid to hire Chad Morris because his only experience was high school. We have a lot of experts on here that don't have any knowledge of what they speak but they have to ability to say it and they do.
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Ask Billie Napier
Jul 22, 2012, 11:02 AM
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Ask Napier how many times Dabo override him during games in 2010. Pretty much that whole 2010 season offense was Dabo. But as of right now his coaching hasn't cost us a game nor won us a game. He doesn't call the plays on either side of the ball. Might as well give him some poms poms so he could be at least doing something.
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Out of one side of your mouth you infer that Dabo
Jul 22, 2012, 4:14 PM
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micromanaged Dabo in 2010 and did not do well. then out of the other side of your mouth you criticize him for making new hires and letting them do their job.
You do realize the purpose of an OC and DC is for them to run their respective sides of the ball? They are guided by the vision the head coach has in their respective schemes. And the HC does have say so. But just as in any business, the head man hires people and let's them do their job.....if he/she is smart. And only steps in when he/she thinks they are deviating from his/her vision.
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I will name one that his lack of vision and strategic
Jul 22, 2012, 11:13 AM
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thinking lost. The SCar game in 2009. He had the opportunity to bury Spurrier and downplayed the game. I realize we had the ACC Champ game the next week, but if he beats Spurrier the last three years would be drastically different. Spurrier at best would have had to gut his staff after losing that game and may have actually been fired. The aura around that program would have changed dramatically. It looked like we were going to run them over, then mental errors occurred and the team went into a shell. Unfortunate.
He should have put the dagger in Spurrier's heart right then!
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BINGO!***
Jul 22, 2012, 12:43 PM
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Re: I will name one that his lack of vision and strategic
Jul 22, 2012, 2:36 PM
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That 2009 South Carolina team was not going to lose to clemson, Dabo or no Dabo. South Carolina took eventual national champ Alabama well into the 4th quarter with the game in doubt, before Bama's strength took over. And that same Carolina team took eventual 3rd ranked Florida well into the 4th quarter with the game in doubt before giving that one away to the Gators. 2009 clemson was in no way close to the caliber of team that the 2009 Alabama and Florida teams were.
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2009 coots almost got shut out in their bowl game against UK
Jul 22, 2012, 4:37 PM
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try again coot they were no where near as good as you try to make them seem. Clemson had the better team but Suprrier figured out that the zone read and wild cat kills Steele's defence, which Virgina showed a week before, and we weren't taking you seriously enough which was our mistake.
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LMAO.
Jul 22, 2012, 4:50 PM
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It was a beatdown, sport. Swinney didn't lose that game. You were just dominated. But believe whatever makes you feel better, kiddo. LMAO
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Thanks I will supprt my team on a TIGER message board
Jul 22, 2012, 6:00 PM
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your opinons matter to somebody, just no on this site. Also once again I pointed out that your team was no where near as good as you tried to make them seems in 09 yet you haven't refuted that care to explain the bowl game?
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"Coaching" is more than "game day" work.
Jul 22, 2012, 12:02 PM
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It's strategy/tactics, planning, motivating, etc. It's a combination of things that happen over the course of the week or weeks. It's hard to deny that things went amiss when a team as talented as Clemson loses games to a Boston College, South Florida, and Maryland, just to name a few.
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ACC CG vs GT-
Jul 22, 2012, 12:19 PM
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@ or near our 40 yrd line, 4th and 1 with 19 seconds left, calls a pass play, and Parker gets sacked.
GT was completely unable to stop CJ that game, and we call a pass on 4th and 1...... Come on.....
I like Dabo (there have been moments where I was'nt sure though), and I am proud as heck to be a Tiger, he has made changes when he needed to, and recruited his brains out, but you did ask.
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Any game we lost with Napier as OC. Napier NEVER
Jul 22, 2012, 12:34 PM
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should have been OC. Thats a head coaching mistake. He fixed it though.
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Not that it matters
Jul 22, 2012, 1:00 PM
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but that 2009 offense was much better than the 2008 one that had better weapons (add Davis, Kelly, and Grisham). It's stats and points are also much better than any of his predecessor's offenses.
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The South Carolina games. He doesn't know how to beat them.***
Jul 22, 2012, 12:35 PM
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Re: Name a game that Dabo's coaching lost.
Jul 22, 2012, 2:06 PM
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The fade to Nuke (a true freshman at the time) at FSU. That was Napier's last year. At the time Dabo said
"he would do it 20 out of 20 more times". Don't think he
would do it today. I think he has matured as a coach and
realizes that the fade is one of the lowest % success completed forward pass in football. Remember Spurrier tried it three times in a row against 5 foot nothing Auburn cornerback with 6'4" Alshon without success. Napier called it against a upperclassman 6' DB and it got
intercepted. Dabo said Nuke slipped but the DB checked Nuke so hard that he lost his footing and it was intercepted. Nuke is bigger and stronger today but I still would not think Morris would ever call that play on 3rd and goal from FSU 6 with the lead. IMO that play led to the lost of confidence in Napier and the season went downhill from there.
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Re: Name a game that Dabo's coaching lost.
Jul 22, 2012, 2:17 PM
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Dabo has made the right decision as hiring some great coordinators.
He manned up and did what he needed to do.
fire spense fire napier get of the offense calling by
hiring Chad.
Making right decision on getting rid of the old nfl coach.
We will see how Brent does ... take alot to do worse.
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Re: Name a game that Dabo's coaching lost.
Jul 22, 2012, 3:28 PM
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Since CLEMSON has had better talent than anyone we have played - except Cam Newton, then Dabo was out coached in every loss (except AU).
He's paid to be the HC - all losses go to him - as do all wins. It's a double-edged sword. Even if the players can't tackle, block, catch, run, kick or learn the plays - it's HIS fault IMO.
Sorry - but he's the boss. As for me, I'm satisfied with his coaching - and totally awestruck at his recruiting (coaches and players). We're going to be fine.
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Re: Name a game that Dabo's coaching lost.
Jul 22, 2012, 3:36 PM
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Can the week leading up to a game count? Because giving him a pass for last year at NCST would be a joke.
That team wasn't ready to play from the opening snap.
Auburn 2011 was an atrocious gag job as well.
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It's almost impossible to give one person credit or blame...
Jul 22, 2012, 4:44 PM
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for a sporting competition that involves more than one player/side.
That being said, I subscribe to the philosophy that players win games and coaches lose them. I coached for 10 years and always took the heat.
It's not the last strike that cost the game it the double play in the second inning. Every participant on a team knows what they did wrong.
I believe Dabo to be a good HC. I'm waiting on him to give me more evidence though much has been provided already.
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