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Example of how mainstream media shows it's bias ...
May 4, 2022, 6:59 PM
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Sure, FOX is openly biased and caters specifically to the right wing, conservative audience, while MSNBC and CNN lean clearly to the left. Yet those traditionally positioned as "mainstream" outlets, supposedly presenting all sides without political or ideological bias, clearly aren't.
NBC led their broadcast tonight with Biden's nonsense about how "the GOP may try to target other long-standing rights next", and calling Trump supporters "the most extreme political organization in recent American history". "This is about a lot more than abortion" noting gay rights and contraception may be next. Then they noted how dems hoped to make abortion a central issue in the upcoming election (as they did their part to get that ball rolling). They gave zero time to pubs explaining how that was not the case, or how Alito went to great lengths to specifically make it clear none of those other things will be under consideration. Then they went with a report about how people would be negatively affected by the ruling should it come to pass.
Not openly taking a stand, but not so subtly sending a message.
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Re: Example of how mainstream media shows it's bias ...
May 4, 2022, 7:14 PM
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Um, to your "They gave zero time to pubs explaining how that was not the case, or how Alito went to great lengths to specifically make it clear none of those other things will be under consideration.". Well, these same SCOTUS judges also sat there in their confirmation hearings and stated to the world that Roe was "established law and precedent" and that they did not intend to overturn. So, should anyone believe Alito now or waste the time of the public giving them any time "explaining"? Just a thought. Btw, Fox repeats outright lies and disinformation on a daily basis. The MSM may lean left and slant opinions left, but I don't see the same willingness to deceive from them as I do from Fox IMHO.
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Glad to see that you agree.***
May 4, 2022, 7:33 PM
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Re: Example of how mainstream media shows it's bias ...
May 5, 2022, 8:17 AM
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Could you send me a link to where these judges said they would not overturn Roe v Wade. I watch a good portion of confirmation hearings, and have never heard a nominee say how they would rule on a particular subject (Pub or Dem nominee). Maybe I missed it.
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Re: Example of how mainstream media shows it's bias ...
May 5, 2022, 8:24 AM
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What they said was that they were committed to stare decisis on the issue. It's implied by those statements. Here is a definition of what they said they were committed to:
What Is Stare Decisis?
"Stare decisis is a legal doctrine that obligates courts to follow historical cases when making a ruling on a similar case. Stare decisis ensures that cases with similar scenarios and facts are approached in the same way. Simply put, it BINDS courts to follow legal precedents set by previous decisions."
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Re: Example of how mainstream media shows it's bias ...
May 5, 2022, 8:40 AM
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Can you send me the link? I would imagine it's pretty easy to find on YouTube.
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Re: Example of how mainstream media shows it's bias ...
May 5, 2022, 8:59 AM
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ACB avoided almost every question, but I remember her stating her commitment to stare decisis. I won't go through all 10 hours of her tape to prove it but here is a general summary of most of them:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2PkDZJ9-l88
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Re: Example of how mainstream media shows it's bias ...
May 5, 2022, 9:12 AM
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From those incomplete clips, we know that they believe it's precedent and that it has been reaffirmed.
That's it.
Thankfully, our reverence of English case law is not so strong that precedent must never be overturned. If it were so, we would still be in a racially segregated society.
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Re: Example of how mainstream media shows it's bias ...
May 5, 2022, 9:32 AM
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Well, I respect your opinion but mine would tend to agree with these 2 senators who actually met with the candidates (only first 3 minutes of clip pertains to this):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9Y09TQcmV0
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Re: Example of how mainstream media shows it's bias ...
May 5, 2022, 9:52 AM
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I still didn't hear in any of that language that they talked about a particular ruling or such a commitment to precedent that they would not be willing to rule on a case that would overturn that precedent.
Anyway, good debating, and back to the salt mines for me.
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Was anything they said untrue?
May 4, 2022, 7:59 PM
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If not, then you're left with the messaging aspect of the argument which may be true, but I would hesitate to base it on ONE segment. I just went to the site and they don't have tonight's episode up to view yet, but they have previous episodes with other segments about the issue. I just watched a couple and they seem to cover both democrats and republican viewpoints on the issue. Yesterday's episode even explicitly covers Alito saying the ruling won't extend to other decisions. So maybe it's just the one segment tonight. I'll have to check tomorrow.
This reminds me of how some on the left got really angry at WaPo recently because the paper did a profile of Rick Scott, the Senator from Florida and they complained about how flowery and one-sided it was never mentioning Scott's Trumpism or vote to overturn the election. They expanded the argument from their problems with the one article to the entire paper itself.
I see that happen on this board frequently as well, and it's interesting just how much both sides play that game.
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Re: Was anything they said untrue?
May 5, 2022, 8:04 AM
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They expanded the argument from their problems with the one article to the entire paper itself.
I see that happen on this board frequently as well, and it's interesting just how much both sides play that game.
Yep. Even worse, when one source does something on some story, it's THE MEDIA that's at fault. The whole thing.
Smiling couldn't even complain about this one accurately. Sometimes people just go into a story with hoping to find bias and will concoct a discovery of it at every turn.
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Re: Example of how mainstream media shows it's bias ...
May 4, 2022, 11:23 PM
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If this decision leads to the undoing of so-called “rights” made up out of thin air, that don’t appear anywhere in the Constitution as being under Federal purview, then that would be a good thing.
Trust democracy. If enough people recognize it, amend the Constitution to explicitly enumerate rights that the Founders and subsequent amenders missed. It is a living and breathing document after all, and designed to be amended for just this purpose. And has been, several times. Quit taking shortcuts to get what you want and avoid democracy.
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Re: I'm late; watched Pocahontas clip & went into a haze
May 7, 2022, 3:23 PM
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tiger_swimmer®, despite your to-the-point kill-shot for this entire post, I see that those who defend the judicial fiat known as Roe v. Wade have not given up their defense of this 'law' via stare decisis and other such high falutin' talk.
Figured that I'd comment here (3 days late ... I went into a fentanyl-like haze after watching a Pocahontas clip) so that your excellent post gets a little more daylight.
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Here's the link
May 4, 2022, 11:46 PM
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They quote Biden's statements, but where is the commentary from NBC? This seems to be more of an analysis of the ruling and what will happen next. Even discusses how the Dems are limited on their options.
They also have a quote from a Wyoming Republican, so you lied there. Or just didn't watch it all the way through. Just admit the latter so you're not a liar here: "They gave zero time to pubs explaining how that was not the case..." The guy even says this is just a distraction from Biden's terrible record.
Oops, they even interview a Pro-Life activist in Louisiana.
How about we let everyone watch and see if your assessment is accurate (From beginning to timestamp 6:28). Let's be honest; you didn't watch it and just went with the teaser lead in.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CjhynYLD4-k
Spoiler alert: You just got wrecked in this one. Delete quickly.
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Re: Here's the link
May 5, 2022, 7:49 AM
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Dude, you just destroyed his narrative. How rude.
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Only in the mind of an illiterate woketard.***
May 5, 2022, 8:05 AM
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Re: Only in the mind of an illiterate woketard.***
May 5, 2022, 8:12 AM
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"Illiterate woketard". Oh, well, I'm sure going forward we can assume you're a superb source for analyzing and breaking down supposed bias in the media. I guess since NBC didn't call Biden a Mr. PoopyFarts, that means they're state-controlled Dem media.
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No, I don't think NBC is state controlled Dem media.
May 5, 2022, 8:26 AM
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I think they are run by and staffed primarily with Libs and Dems and their news programming and reporting reflects that bias.
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I eagerly await your evidence to prove that.
May 5, 2022, 8:33 AM
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If they're so rampant with bias that you abhor, why watch them?
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I'll never prove it to your satisfaction - we both know that
May 5, 2022, 9:11 AM
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so I won't waste my time, but there have been numerous studies, polls, and surveys over the years which clearly show that dems heavily outnumber pubs in the field of journalism. You can do your own research if you are so inclined, I've done it before. Besides, nobody needs a study to see the obvious.
I watch NBC mainly because the local station here is an NBC affiliate, and NBC news always folllows local news. I have always liked most NBC anchors and personalities, and as far as MSM goes, I think they do a good job. I am aware of the bias, and watch with that in mind. It's not like there's a ton of better, unbiased, objective, balanced alternatives.
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Re: I'll never prove it to your satisfaction - we both know that
May 5, 2022, 9:28 AM
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I asked you to prove NBC. That's your claim. I don't need you to cite the random White House correspondents poll that was taken, what, 20 years ago?
Either way, from your OP, the clip you claim was biased was not.
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Yes, it was.***
May 5, 2022, 9:58 AM
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Just good to see you can't prove your claim
May 5, 2022, 10:04 AM
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But that's okay. That's par for most people's posts on here.
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Can't prove it to your satisfaction.
May 5, 2022, 10:41 AM
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And I'm perfectly fine with that.
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Yeah, that's pretty much a given.
May 5, 2022, 11:47 AM
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It would require real evidence.
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Is that how you interpreted my post?
May 5, 2022, 9:26 AM
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I'm gonna assume your response was not intended for me.
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You shouldn't.***
May 5, 2022, 9:36 AM
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Okay, allow me to retort
May 5, 2022, 9:43 AM
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I'm not sure what extreme failure in reading comprehension occurred to make you think I only consume media that fits "my narrative" based on what I posted, nor what suddenly gave you the gumption to come out swinging half-assed at me in a thread where Smiling has already been shredded, but would I be out of line to point out that someone who so adamantly believes 9/11 was an inside job doesn't really have much leg to stand on with criticism of anything? Especially since his theories have been completely destroyed by other posters on this board?
I dunno. But maybe I'm consuming the wrong narratives instead of all the nutjob conspiracy websites.
Despite that, always kinda liked you on here so not sure what nerve I struck to draw this out of you. Carry on, I guess.
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Re: Only in the mind of an illiterate woketard.***
May 5, 2022, 9:38 AM
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When you have no substance, go ad hominem. You win some and you lose some. Take the L and move on.
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C'mon, man
May 5, 2022, 9:44 AM
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Don't you know a guy who is calling people "illiterate woketards" is clearly someone who is fit to tell us what media sources are biased or not.
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The content of that piece was heavily weighted to show
May 5, 2022, 8:04 AM
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the dem side of the argument, which is largely baseless fear mongering and advancing a series of strawman arguments. In the first segment, which lasted about 3 minutes, about 8 seconds was given to a Republican (Senator Barrasso) who, in the clip, as I correctly pointed out, did not explain anything or address any of the baseless claims made by Biden or Durbin in their fear mongering clips, other than to say that they were a being used as a distraction. So no, I didn't lie, what I said was "They gave zero time to pubs explaining how that was not the case, or how Alito went to great lengths to specifically make it clear none of those other things will be under consideration.", and that is 100% accurate, as Senator Barrasso, in his 8 second clip, did not explain anything, and did not address how Alito had already explained it. I did watch the entire thing, including the interview with the pro-lifer in Louisiana. I still felt the takeaway from the whole thing for anybody who was not up to speed on the issue or had not yet formed an opinion, would be that the Supreme Court is illegitimate and is looking to strip away the rights of targeted groups, and that Trump supporters are crazy and dangerous, and that a lot of women are going to be harmed by overturning RVW. Those were the dominant opinions presented in those segments.
I bet that as this whole debate drags on through the election, NBC will not give equal air time to similar segments which show the downside of abortion, or ones that focus on pro-life women and presents them in a flattering or equally sympathetic light.
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Re: The content of that piece was heavily weighted to show
May 5, 2022, 8:10 AM
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It wasn't heavily weighted on their side and broke down an analysis of the ruling. It even explained how the Dems would likely not succeed in their efforts. Deweather pointed out the previous night's NBC broadcast DID cover those explanations from Alito. And Barrasso's statement DID offer a counter to the Dems' claims, stating that they were just a distraction to their other problems.
I still felt the takeaway from the whole thing for anybody who was not up to speed on the issue or had not yet formed an opinion, would be that the Supreme Court is illegitimate and is looking to strip away the rights of targeted groups, and that Trump supporters are crazy and dangerous...
No, nobody is walking away from that segment thinking that. NBC offered ZERO editorial commentary from their own staff and presented the facts on the issue.
You are grasping for evidence of bias that wasn't there.
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Shocker.
May 5, 2022, 8:24 AM
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We disagree.
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Re: Shocker.
May 5, 2022, 8:32 AM
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I think that usually goes, "Shocker. I was wrong about media bias and Cata was right. Again."
Do I get called an illiterate woketard now, oh purveyor of unbiased analysis of the media?
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Yes - and I'll add - delusional.***
May 5, 2022, 9:12 AM
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Generally when I hear...
May 5, 2022, 9:29 AM
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A "conservative" lament about supposed bias in a clip (like the one you claim was biased but isn't), it's because said clip didn't give a complete and utter handjob to the GOP or their viewpoints. Thus, "bias".
Your other comments in this thread point to evidence of that.
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Your opinions are noted.
May 5, 2022, 9:55 AM
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Wrong, but noted.
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Re: Your opinions are noted.
May 5, 2022, 10:01 AM
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Now you're catching on.***
May 5, 2022, 10:42 AM
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Re: The content of that piece was heavily weighted to show
May 9, 2022, 11:37 PM
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Glad that I am late to this part of the back-and-forth, but Smiling Tiger® you had clearly won your point against (committed but weakly armed) opponents.
Equal time for both sides? Barrasso got 8 seconds. How could he have not spelled out how Stare Decisis doesn't mean squat for SCOTUS rulings which were clearly not constitutional in the first place (and BTW, which even Ruth Bader Ginsberg admitted was not properly founded on judicial principles ... even though she was so in favor of allowing women to have unfettered abortions that she was committed to upholding this improper decision). I mean c'mon Barrasso ... why you wastin' time?
The "pro-life' side was expressed via the MSM hosts, who crushed the 'pro-abortion' side by saying that Democrats were not in a good position? Whew, what a kill shot against 'pro-abortion' side. That shows the MSN's 'right wing bias', I'll tell you what.
And finally, one of your committed TNet opponents had to jump to an entirely different interview in a desperate attempt to find another kernel of 'balance' in his fav MSM show.
Yep, when the opponent is throwing Hail Mary's before Half Time, you know that THEY know that the game is lost.
But their cheerleaders never give up, so you've got to give them credit on that aspect.
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No doubt.
May 10, 2022, 8:23 AM
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Dem/pro choice points were presented repeatedly and with passion, compassion, with talking points laid out well. Pub/pro-life side was barely represented, and their case was not really made at all, even though they had some pro-life people talking. It was not balanced, objective reporting.
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All media is communist Pravda, even Fox. Fox is the
May 5, 2022, 8:04 AM
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controlled opposition, not the real opposition.
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I would amend to "most", but I agree with the generalization***
May 5, 2022, 9:18 AM
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Re: All media is communist Pravda, even Fox. Fox is the
May 9, 2022, 11:51 PM
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Funny how nearly all of the conservatives have long known that Fox News had become (several years ago) the 'controlled opposition' network.
The lefties have no clue that attentive conservatives (i.e., most of us) get information from numerous sources, including those outside of the USA.
Given their obsession with Fox News, it's revealing that the Lefties don't recognize Fox News' refusal to run advertisements from (otherwise) sponsors who openly (albeit not repeatedly) acknowledge their religious beliefs during commercials.
But the lefties' 'Fox News is bad' narrative is understandable given their intellectual laziness, which is in effect the lefties' secret passcode for admission into their clubhouse of ignorance.
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