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I wonder what Brent Venebles opinion is...
Oct 31, 2021, 12:05 PM
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if he had to face DJ across the field?
I'd love to hear what Coach V would say if he could about how much effort it would take to handle DJ and this year's offense.
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His defense may be the reason DJ has no confidance. We
Oct 31, 2021, 12:10 PM
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probably stonewall him in practice every day, so that success is foreign to him. 
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Re: His defense may be the reason DJ has no confidance. We
Oct 31, 2021, 12:20 PM
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I was watching the game on TV, but one thing happened I have never seen before in the first half. During a TO when FSU was moving the ball, Dabo was in the middle of the defense coaching/talking and a couple of times, BV tried to speak up to say something and the look on his face was priceless. You could see the look on his face along the lines of, "you let me coach my defense".
There is no rift between the staff, that was just BV being competitive BV, but I think BV was saying, "Hey, you let me coach the defense." This not long after we had those early two offsides penalties extending a drive that should have been stopped, but it is BV's defense.
Dabo said a couple of times in the spring and fall camp that Breese and TD had to sit out so the offense could do something. There is no question in my mind that BV held back big time on our offense in practice.
With the two new injuries on the OL, its going to be hard to protect DJU going forward. Dabo even said that he hopes they have 7 OL that can play.
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Re: His defense may be the reason DJ has no confidance. We
Oct 31, 2021, 12:42 PM
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I noticed Dabo talking over BV during that timeout too...
I've been wondering about him seeming more/too involved on offense, but I don't have to wonder about whether he needs to be trying to coach over BV. If that is what was going on, that needs to stop.
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This was after he screamed at BV after two offsides
Oct 31, 2021, 12:45 PM
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While being totally chill when our offense looks like a world class shi#show for multiple series in a row.
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Yep, he seems to be overly critical of the one side of
Oct 31, 2021, 1:07 PM
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the ball that is performing and sugarcoats repeated poor play on the other side.
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Re: This was after he screamed at BV after two offsides
Oct 31, 2021, 1:33 PM
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Perhaps Dabo (correctly) recognizes the defense as a 'ready to rock' entity. Therefore, rather than molly-coddling the grown men of our defense, he knows that coaching them to expect more of themselves is something that they can stand, and quite frankly (if you're a believer in continuous improvement) also needed.
As for the offense (which is still in a somewhat late-embryonic state), Dabo is encouraging them so that they'll keep working. Blasting the offense (which clearly has a delicate psychy at this stage) might get them to quit, instead of trying harder.
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Re: His defense may be the reason DJ has no confidance. We
Oct 31, 2021, 1:40 PM
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This team could literally be 1-7 with even a mediocre defense, so yeah Dabo's barking is head-scratching. Feels like Dabo knows the deal, just too stubborn to say it out loud
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Re: His defense may be the reason DJ has no confidance. We
Oct 31, 2021, 2:21 PM
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I saw that too. My initial thought was Dabo should get out of the way and let BV coach. I love me some Dabo - but I stand with my initial gut reaction.
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Re: His defense may be the reason DJ has no confidance. We
Oct 31, 2021, 3:49 PM
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4 times offside! Absolute lack of discipline(COACHING!) Dabo SHOULD have been pissed. NOBODY is beyond getting their ### chewed-including the great Venables. As the head coach- Dabo has to be THE head coach and not worry about whose delicate feelings are offended. Reminds me of the time some reporter asked the great Bear Bryant that there was a rumor about dissension on the team and Bryant's response was-" If there's not, I'm going to cause some!"
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By all accounts DJ does much better in practice.
Oct 31, 2021, 2:11 PM
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That's the truly frustrating thing. He has the capability, but he's just not playing up to it when the lights are on. I always think back to him competing 67% of his passes last year with 0 INTs. He appeared extremely loose and confident. There weren't any of those head-scratching moments. That was the guy we all expected to see last year, and apparently he looks more like that in practice.
On a good note yesterday DJ did have a 61% completion rate which is better than his 55% for the year. The INT was a bad read and the fumble showed a lack of pocket presence, but he does appear (somewhat) closer to breaking loose of his mental funk.
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Better Oline last year
Oct 31, 2021, 3:32 PM
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Reel simple.
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So you think DJs poor fundamentals and decisions are
Oct 31, 2021, 3:50 PM
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solely because of the OL? I seem to recall him moving around in the pocket and never going into that flat-footed crap. His accuracy was much, much better last year too, and I don't think that's because he's rushing his throws more this year. And believe it or not, we allowed 1.7 sacks per game last year vs 2.0 sacks per game this year. Last year, with Travis Etienne, we gained 8 inches more per rush and 3 more yards per game. The sacks and rushing game have negligible differences, and it appears the OL was equally as poor last year, when DJ played considerably better. The difference between last year and this year in offensive output was the passing game. DJ is not the same player.
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I don’t even think DJ is doing any reads.
Oct 31, 2021, 3:57 PM
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It appears there is 1 call and that is it. DJ said in his interview the call was to 1 receiver...apparently he isn’t expected to go through his checks for who is open.
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Re: By all accounts DJ does much better in practice.
Oct 31, 2021, 6:55 PM
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I don't give DJ credit for the increased passing rate. Why? Because Ross and the other receivers made extreme efforts to catch the crap passes that got anywhere near them, at the expense of the extra yardage that might have been possible if the pass was actually as good as an AVERAGE P5 QB.
DJ still threw a ton of passes away and lead-flat-footed around the backfield on several plays. The bubble-screen passes simply are no longer possible when DJ telegraphs them right from the start so the defense shuts them down behind the line of scrimmage. Even when those connect, it's only moments before a defensive guard or lineman crushes the receiver.
I had hopes DJ would improve thru the season, but he doesn't look sharp out there, and with Dabo and Elliott chanting kudos to DJ it really is sad as a Tiger faithful to put up with that snow-job they've been doing.
One reason for this thread is because I think there is a serious disconnect in DJ's practice time performance that continues to be a tag line from Dabo. How many times over the years has Dabo pulled a player from starting because though they looked good in practice, on the field they muffed it. I think we all could name a few of those guys.
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Re: I wonder what Brent Venebles opinion is...
Oct 31, 2021, 2:00 PM
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We have a lot of coaches on this board. If the government would quit paying them, they would go to work. "Ma - I want the meatloaf - NOW" !
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Exactly. Dabo isn't coaching any differently than he ever has.
Oct 31, 2021, 2:16 PM
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And nobody said anything but good things in our 6 year playoff run.
Now if Dabo is in a defensive huddle he's suddenly forgotten how to coach? Gimme a break. The man is head coach and CEO of the football program, if he wants to talk in a defensive huddle he can and will.
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Re: Exactly. Dabo isn't coaching any differently than he ever has.
Oct 31, 2021, 2:32 PM
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Dabo does appear to be different this year though. Maybe he thinks being a CEO coach is insulting and hates comparisons to Lincoln Riley and Rosy Cheeks Day. He may think he’s picked up enough tips from watching Chad Morris, Jeff Scott, and BV that he wants to be CEO and coordinator. It’s scary seeing him look at that play card and then talk into the headset. And the results are a little different this year.
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How does he "appear" different, and how has he changed his coaching?
Oct 31, 2021, 3:34 PM
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He has always communicated with BV exactly the way he does now, he has stuck himself in defensive huddles st times all throughout his career. He has also carried the playsheet and commented in between plays at least every year since Elliot took over as primary playcaller.
He hasn't changed the way he coaches, so I'm not sure what "appears" means? He's getting older, so there's that. It doesn't seem as if he's quite as energetic, but that could be this season wearing on him a little bit.
I do however think he is getting tired of all the politics and is not a fan of the NIL. He says he has a couple decades left, but I wouldn't be surprised if changes in the game and attitudes of newer players end up driving him out sooner than that though.
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Dabo’s quotes on NIL
Oct 31, 2021, 3:40 PM
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don’t agree.
Politics are no different now than they ever were. They’re still just politics.
Dabo has more intestinal fortitude than any wannabe coach on T’net, announcer, anonymous coaching critic, Finegunt, etc, etc, etc. He’s not going anywhere.
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He likes the NIL? And you think politics in the world and the game
Oct 31, 2021, 4:10 PM
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of football haven't changed over the years? Come on man.
Look, I too think he's resilient and will right this ship, but there's no doubt he's lost a little zeal for some reason. You can see it on his face and hear it in his interviews. Like I said, maybe its just this season wearing on him a little bit.
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