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Every election denier running for sec. of state...
Nov 14, 2022, 8:04 AM
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In battlegrounds lost.
"Every election denier who sought to become the top election official in a critical battleground state lost at the polls this year, as voters roundly rejected extreme partisans who promised to restrict voting and overhaul the electoral process."
America is fed up with those who spread the Big Lie and promised to rig the system. Americans are fed up with Trumpie extremism.
This election was the equivalent of Alabama losing to Vandy because Sabin kept putting in a third string QB who can't stop fumbling.
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/11/12/us/politics/jim-marchant-cisco-aguilar-nevada.html
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Re: Every election denier running for sec. of state...
Nov 14, 2022, 8:15 AM
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Pushing blatantly large lies, and getting as many people on board with them, seems to be the way of politics at this point.
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Are you saying they don’t have the right?***
Nov 14, 2022, 8:21 AM
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I don't think he was saying that....
Nov 14, 2022, 8:25 AM
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what led you to ask that question?
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Re: Every election denier running for sec. of state...
Nov 14, 2022, 8:27 AM
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It really does leave you shaking your head. As a sales pitch, it's kind of lacking: "vote for me...and I'll make sure your vote never counts again because I'll be deciding what the count actually is!"
The shocking part is that something like 45% or so of Americans seemed to be genuinely fine with that. Thankfully there's at least 55% that said: "you know, I like living in a democracy," but it's still worrisome that that many people either did not care or just did not listen to what was coming out of these folks' mouths, or worse, actually want the authoritarianism that comes with one-party rule.
Well, still, hopefully the lesson was served. Judging from the anti-Trump backlash I've seen, I think it might have been. I don't think we'll be back to Dubya's "compassionate conservatism" anytime soon but the MAGA wave looks like it may have finally crested. The nail in the coffin for MAGA will be if Fox News decides it's pro-democracy again and hops on the DeSantis train. There's a lot of things I don't like about DeSantis, but it's hard to imagine him trying a redneck revolution in Washington, too, or refusing to concede an election, or getting in bed with Vladimir Putin or Kim Jong-Un, or trying to obliterate NATO, or walking off with nuclear secrets and God knows what other classified material after leaving office. Nor is DeSantis likely to monetize the office. And say what you will about DeSantis in Florida, he at least did the job of being Governor of Florida.
Those things used to be givens with anybody who ran for office. I'd very much like to see them be again.
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The election deniers are 100% convinced that THEY are the
Nov 14, 2022, 8:44 AM
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ones fighting for democracy, because they are still 100% convinced the 2020 election was rigged by democrats, and that dems are still involved in massive, widespread voter fraud, which if true, would be an immediate, serious threat to democracy. If all of that is true, they would be correct in thinking that dems can't be trusted, and must not be in charge of elections. The problem is, none of that is true.
FWIW, I watched quite a bit of FOX news this weekend, and many of the people I heard were very much anti-Trump and pro DeSantis. So, based on that, and what I've seen on FOX since the election, I'd say FOX is definitely turning away from Trump, or at least testing those waters. They are certainly no longer "all-in".
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I'm not so sure all of them are convinced
Nov 14, 2022, 8:47 AM
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I think there's a healthy segment (all the way up to Trump) who know it's a lie but are happy to spread it if it can secure power and wreck the system in their favor for the future.
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I talk to them all of the time. Trust me, they believe it.
Nov 14, 2022, 8:53 AM
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I'm sure that there are some, mostly at higher levels like Trump, who have to know, but almost all of the voters are totally, 100% convinced that they are the defenders of democracy.
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I'm talking about the ones running for office
Nov 14, 2022, 8:56 AM
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But there are some deniers here who know it's false.
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Okay - I can't say about those, but I suspect you are
Nov 14, 2022, 9:08 AM
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correct. FWIW, it's not just the uneducated, knuckle-dragging, mouth-breathing unwashed masses who buy into it. I know very wealthy, well educated executives and business owners who "know" that the 2020 election was stolen and widespread tampering is still taking place. I've had the conversation with them and there is no reasoning with them; they are totally, sincerely convinced, and very passionate about it.
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Re: The election deniers are 100% convinced that THEY are the
Nov 14, 2022, 9:03 AM
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It was interesting how incredibly well Kemp and Raffensperger did in Georgia. They both won in absolute cakewalks. Kemp won with 53.4% of the vote to Abrams' 45.8% - a more than seven-point win - and Raffensperger did even better and got to 54% to his opponent's 44%. And that's in Georgia, which is about as purple as purple states get these days, and looks like it's about as dead-on a 50/50 state as there is anywhere except for maybe Arizona.
Considering that Abrams and Kemp finished in a nearly dead-heat tie in 2018, the takeaway seems pretty obvious. Even with the abortion issue weighing Kemp down - and it weighed all Republicans down - precisely because Kemp and Raffensperger stood up to Trump nobody considered them "threats to democracy" and the issues - especially in Kemp's case - became about the state of the economy and increasing tiredness towards Wokeness. Raffensperger, I think, passed his test with flying colors when he told Trump to get bent...and with Secretary of State, the only real relevant issues would be crime and especially election integrity, and with his own integrity beyond question, Raffensperger coasted to a whopping ten-point win. In the meantime, Herschel Walker finished beyond Warnock in the vote total...and only didn't lose outright because a gun-toting gay Libertarian walked off with 2.1% of the vote...mostly Warnock's.
That should be a big lesson for any Republican looking.
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I have one small issue with this
Nov 14, 2022, 11:27 AM
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You could draw the conclusion that the trends you mention are from a populace turning away from election denial from 2020 to 2022.I find it hard to extrapolate trends from mid-term elections though. You just don’t have the same kind of turnout for a midterm as you would a general election.
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Ah yes, the “voters” rejected it. Meanwhile in Florida, where
Nov 14, 2022, 8:35 AM
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They actually reformed their elections and eliminated fraud, republicans won by 20 points.
But sure, everything was legit and the “voters” rejected the idea of fair elections… sure.
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The way you see the world really is interesting...
Nov 14, 2022, 8:38 AM
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if you're actually being serious.
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"interesting" was a very kind way of putting it.***
Nov 14, 2022, 10:45 AM
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Re: "interesting" was a very kind way of putting it.***
Nov 14, 2022, 11:14 AM
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It definitely suggests there are issues dragging down candidates on either side who are perceived as being "extreme."
Warnock has publicly tacked a lot more to the center than Abrams has, and you don't hear a lot of Wokeness coming out of his mouth. Abrams made it all about race.
Warnock's opponent was also weighed down with myriad baggage...not the least of which was Donald Trump. Kemp wasn't, Raffensperger certainly wasn't.
That tells you there's still a substantial pool of reachable centrist voters that decide elections. Woke may excite the far left; it's a turnoff towards the middle. Ultra-MAGA may excite the far right, it's a major turnoff to the middle.
That lesson likely won't be lost on candidates...the problem for them is going to be, how are they going to clear the primary hurdle when both bases are increasingly polarized? Trying to run one way for the primary and then abruptly changing course doesn't seem to work; Don Bolduc tried it shamelessly in New Hampshire and ended up getting skunked by Maggie Hassan. The second he pivoted, the base seems to have not turned out for him, but his old words still came back to haunt him. The polls only had Hassan up by +2 but she ended up winning by eight points.
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Now, the next time somebody like this populist dikhead
Nov 14, 2022, 8:54 AM
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runs again….on either side….DONT VOTE FOR HIM or HER!!!
If AOC went all WWE, used her twidderbiching to gain more popularity, talked about nothing but how it’s ALL these stinking Republicans’ fault….guess what? Don’t vote for her. I wouldn’t. I’d vote for a principled Pub.
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Stacy Abrams did lose didn't she***
Nov 14, 2022, 9:30 AM
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Team Normal > Team Crazy***
Nov 14, 2022, 2:28 PM
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