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TNET: Clemson Basketball signs four transfers
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Re: TNET: Clemson Basketball signs four transfers
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May 9, 2023, 10:28 AM
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Not sure how a fan of Clemson basketball could not be excited about the four transfer players and incoming freshman signee.
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Re: TNET: Clemson Basketball signs four transfers
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May 9, 2023, 10:32 AM
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be careful what you say. viztiz will turn you into the principal, who undoubtedly do not care what he says about clemsons program.
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Pretty easy, actually
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May 9, 2023, 10:41 AM
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All we need look at is the last 13 years. Absolutely no reason whatsoever to think that '23-24 won't be more of the same mediocrity.
These are decently solid players, but no difference-makers, by any stretch.
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Re: Pretty easy, actually
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May 9, 2023, 10:47 AM
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Exactly. Where do these players put Clemson in the recruiting rankings? Not in the USA Today Top 50.
What do other recruiting pundits say?
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Re: Pretty easy, actually
May 9, 2023, 10:58 AM
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I saw no other recruiting sources that had Clemson in its top 50. There are, however, 8 or 9 ACC teams in the top 50, including South Carolina in many of them. I realize recruiting is not an exact science, but this class is not going to make the 2023-24 Tigers a powerhouse.
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Re: Pretty easy, actually
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May 9, 2023, 10:53 AM
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I am no Brownell fan, but I actually do believe these additions will be a difference maker next year, and we will have a solid team that should certainly make the tournament next year.
That being said, we will then lose a ton of talent next year, and will basically have to rebuild. I have no confidence that Brownell will have consistent success, but again next year should be fun.
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Re: Pretty easy, actually
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May 9, 2023, 10:58 AM
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Now do the math. What does this really accomplish other than possible more time for Brownell. It isn’t gonna win a championship and isn’t gonna build a program.
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Re: Pretty easy, actually
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May 9, 2023, 6:32 PM
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Now do the math. What does this really accomplish other than possible more time for Brownell. It isn’t gonna win a championship and isn’t gonna build a program.
Our last championship was in the SoCon so if that’s your goal than you should know why many think you are delusional
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Even trade
May 9, 2023, 11:10 AM
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We lose Tyson & Galloway.
These guys are probably about the same.
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Re: Even trade
May 9, 2023, 2:51 PM
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I think our shooting might improve next year actually. Maybe have a few more options when we get into one of Brownell's patented droughts. Rebounding, on the other hand, might still be a challenge.
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These are solid additions, but not one of them will be able
May 9, 2023, 8:30 PM
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to replace what Hunter Tyson brought to the team last year. He will certainly be missed!
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Re: Pretty easy, actually
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May 9, 2023, 3:21 PM
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I would have thought that with PJ Hall and 5th year Hunter Tyson plus the crew we had, and after going 10-0 to open ACC play, maybe we were sure to get into the NCAAT. Brad let us down again, though. So while I feel like we've signed a decent bunch of guys--and for whom I will be cheering as hard as ever--to expect anything different is a bit of a stretch.
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Re: TNET: Clemson Basketball signs four transfers
May 9, 2023, 12:08 PM
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Not sure you know what the word “return” means.
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They are called the Lunatic Fringe
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May 9, 2023, 12:58 PM
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Their mission is to run Clemson basketball into the ground. They will never be excited about Clemson basketball. Four solid transfers has sent them into a rage.
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You couldn't be more disconnected from reality
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May 9, 2023, 1:06 PM
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Most of us actually believe that Clemson basketball could be great.
But you and the other apologists are content with average.
These are slightly-above-average players. That's all.
Next year, same mediocre results.
But please, stay disconnected from reality and call us names, if it makes you feel better.
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No one here is okay with mediocrity.
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May 9, 2023, 2:29 PM
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Those of us here who think Brownell is doing a good job feel that way because we understand what a hard job he has to do. We recognize that Clemson basketball is lacking in funding and fan support compared to most other ACC schools as well as many SEC schools. It’s illogical to be mad about a 23 win season or an ACC record well above .500 when both are well above our historical performance and also well above what we should expect given the challenges and limitations in place.
This isn’t complicated.
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You actually ARE OK with mediocrity
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May 9, 2023, 2:43 PM
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Because you defend it at every opportunity.
You're right, it's not complicated: Brad has been remarkably average for 13 years.
You're right, it's not complicated: great coaches produce great results.
You're right, it's not complicated: great leaders don't make excuses (or rather, their fanboys don't).
These four guys won't make a difference. They're the same four guys we've had for 13 years. And they're coached by the same coach.
Will you ever stop making excuses and blaming fans? Blame-shifting is a terrible way to go through life.
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We aren’t mediocre.
May 9, 2023, 8:10 PM
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So there isn’t mediocrity to defend.
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Absolutely mediocre
May 9, 2023, 9:07 PM
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You and your other fanboys are the only ones who won't see it.
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Those are excuses!!!!
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May 9, 2023, 2:45 PM
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There is no justifiable reason the team should not have made the NCAAT field this past season. NONE!!!!
But they didn't and you and I both know why. It is the exact same reason the teams under CBB have only made three NCAAT appearances over his thirteen year tenure.
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Re: Those are excuses!!!!
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May 9, 2023, 3:33 PM
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The reason we didn't make the NCAAT was that 3 losses to NET 250+ teams indicated that we didn't belong. Getting capped by Morehead St in the NIT completed the proof. I hope these players come in and blend with the existing team and they win every game they play. I just don't foresee that happening under Brad Brownell.
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Losing to Morehead State proved only that our players were discouraged
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May 9, 2023, 8:17 PM
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and hurt about the NCAA Tournament snub and weren’t motivated to play in the NIT.
A real Clemson basketball fan wouldn’t use the NIT game to draw conclusions about our entire body of work last year. You wouldn’t do that with the football team’s embarrassing loss to Tennessee, and you shouldn’t do it for our basketball team’s NIT loss either.
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Tennessee was a legitimately solid team last year...
May 10, 2023, 7:44 AM
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and at 11-2 was the 6th ranked team nationally.
Clemson hoops, on the other hand, was a 25 point favorite at home to a Morehead State team that lost to North Alabama, Mercer, UT Martin, SE Missouri State, and Little Rock.
Comparing the two is beyond laughable, but what's even more humerus is that you'd resort to playing the "they didn't really want to be there" card.
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Re: Tennessee was a legitimately solid team last year...
May 13, 2023, 11:42 AM
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Tennessee was missing their two best offensive players, and the Tigers ran almost 100 plays. Statistically speaking, Clemson should have smoked Tennessee. The Judge is right. The Tennessee loss was not a good loss at all. I no more believe that Tennessee is 3 scores better than Clemson than I think Morehead State was a better basketball team this past year. Both losses were disappointing, but Clemson should have beaten both teams, but sadly, they did not. I think this coming 2023-2024 sports year will be even better in both sports. Go Tigers!
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Any real Clemson fan knows that we got screwed last year
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May 9, 2023, 8:14 PM
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when it came to the NCAA Tournament.
Anyone who watched our team knew that we belonged in the Big Dance.
Unfortunately, we have “fans” who look for every possible reason to criticize the team and portray them as horrible. I don’t understand that.
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Uhhh....no we didn't...
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May 10, 2023, 7:45 AM
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and yet another Q4 loss to at home as a 25-point favorite to Morehead State more than supports that.
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Shocking insight - coaching college basketball is a hard job
May 9, 2023, 5:02 PM
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Some are successful with that hard job. Others, like Brownell, are not successful with that hard job. I'm for attracting a coach that can be successful. Brownell underachieves horribly with top 40 recruiting classes (not bad) and salary yet consistently producing 75th range seasons - and that's over these past five seasons. That you interpret that as a 'good job' doesn't speak very highly of your ability to assess talent.
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Re: No one here is okay with mediocrity.
May 9, 2023, 5:05 PM
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Gosh, I seem to recall Rick Barnes having Clemson ranked #2 in the country at one point. Fans camped out to get tickets. I doubt LJ was as nice as it is now. I also doubt Barnes was paid anywhere near what Brownell is being paid. So much for the arguments about funding and fan support. Fans will support a winning program, not one mired in abject mediocrity. This recruiting class is not in anybody's top 50. And that will show on the court. Particularly with Brownell's stellar coaching.
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Pot...meet kettle !!!
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May 9, 2023, 2:06 PM
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Can't wait to read your reaction at the end of next season after we've all see more of the same mediocre results.
I suspect it will be more the same rhetoric trying to rationalize and justify inconsistent and mediocre basketball which has been the norm more so than the exception under CBB.
The lunatic fringe indeed.
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Re: They are called the Lunatic Fringe
May 9, 2023, 2:33 PM
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If Dabo signed a football class that wasn't in anybody's top 50, I doubt people on here would be excited or call the class "solid."
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Re: They are called the Lunatic Fringe
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May 9, 2023, 5:41 PM
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Our transfer class is rated # 36.
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If Dabo coached a football program that was one of the worst
May 9, 2023, 8:20 PM
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in ACC history, and had among the lowest funded and worst supported programs in the ACC, we would absolutely call it a solid class.
Context is your friend.
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Re: what is gaslighting ?***
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Re: what is gaslighting ?***
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May 9, 2023, 10:59 AM
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Trying to make someone believe something that isn't true.
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Re: TNET: Clemson Basketball signs four transfers
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May 9, 2023, 12:11 PM
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Seems like you would catch on the every post attempting to defend Brownell is being shouted 10:1. You’re not helping the cause you pretend to adovocate. But we know success in basketball isn’t really your hope.
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Re: TNET: Clemson Basketball signs four transfers
May 9, 2023, 7:55 PM
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I don't know. I'm not sure the vocal posters on tigernet are a good representation of the Clemson fan base.
Again, you have completely fabricated my viewpoints on brownell. It does feel good that the AD, current players, former players, and high level boosters all share a simple par viewpoint to me.
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Outstanding offseason for our program.
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Congratulations to our coaches for their hard work, and also to these young men for joining the Clemson basketball family.
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As much as I have bashed the man
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May 9, 2023, 11:08 AM
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I have to give credit where credit is due. It does not change the fact that I still lack confidence in his coaching during critical times of the game. Hoping we make the tourney
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Hopefully this is the extra edge we need to take that next step
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and advance past the first round of the nit.
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So would that be the 2nd or 3rd round of the NIT?***
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May 9, 2023, 11:21 AM
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When Brownlee wins two...of anything
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May 9, 2023, 12:46 PM
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Then you can feel free to take shots at our football coaching.
Until then, you should probably just stay in your corner.
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Re: Yes, it nice to have a coach who is willing to do whatever is necessary
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It doesn’t change the fact that Brownlee can not and I repeat CAN NOT get the best out of his players. He has a defensive mind and not an offensive one.
He cant recruit. Thus he has to go to the portal john to get players.
Brownlee sucks as a coach and mediocrity isn’t going to get the team to better places.
If you think its the financial end check FAU and SDSU.
You are crazy if you think anything different.
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Happy for the new players and excited for the ‘23 - ‘24 team.
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My thoughts on the Coach are going to cast a shadow on the Clemson Tigers men’s basketball team.
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Meant “are NOT” but maybe a Freudian slip?***
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So this should mean... NCAA next season... no more Brownlee
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May 9, 2023, 12:37 PM
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right?
All this 'upgraded' talent right? Not more Q4 losses? No more NIT (and the subsequent failure)... but instead we get NCAA tourney... for more than once every 4/5 years right?
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Re: TNET: Clemson Basketball signs four transfers
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May 9, 2023, 1:48 PM
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No matter how much talent we have next year, "Bum"mell will still find a way to f$$k it up!
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This is exactly what Brad needs
May 9, 2023, 1:55 PM
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to continue our domination of the European countries!
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Re: TNET: Clemson Basketball signs four transfers
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I’m taking the high road here and saying needs to be said. Welcome to Clemson to these four of you young men. We look forward to your contributions for the upcoming season and wish you all well. Thank you all for choosing to be Tigers!
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Welcome y'all! 5 New additions that nicely completes our
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roster for next season (at least). Dinard and Clark are proven ACC players/starters who are both ranked as 4 stars by 247 for this transfer cycle with Dinard being the #10 PG transfer overall nationally. Leyte and Heidbreder are nice backup options/additions and the incoming freshman, Thomas, is now actually rated a 4 star by ESPN (!) which is kinda exciting imo.
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Re: TNET: Clemson Basketball signs four transfers
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I'm pretty excited about it but isn't it just a fix for one year and then we'd be back to square one?
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Re: TNET: Clemson Basketball signs four transfers
May 9, 2023, 4:37 PM
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Kinda, which is why we need highly rated HS recruits to fill out our next three classes.
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Re: TNET: Clemson Basketball signs four transfers
May 9, 2023, 5:50 PM
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I don't know if you are aware, but players transfer every single year. We will have an opportunity to snag some other great recruits in the portal next year.
Only 2 players on this past years team did not have eligibility left. Brownell signed 1 recruit out of high school. Brownell isn't going to oversign and basically have to cut a player if nobody transfers. Brownell signed heidbreder who was an all conference performer. He is going to redshirt and will then have 2 years of eligibility.
Lastly, brownell knows this is a make or break year. If we don't make the tournament, he will likely be fired. He went with bringing in immediate impact players rather than freshman that will take time to develop.
This isn't rocket science.
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Re: TNET: Clemson Basketball signs four transfers
May 10, 2023, 8:57 AM
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The inevitable outcome in 2024 that probably should have occurred in 2014, and for sure in
2020,2021,2022...but sadly the Tommy Bowden of BB is still in Littlejohn????
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On surface, I think that BB actually did good w/ the portal haul
May 9, 2023, 6:01 PM
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Think he realizes he's in a "win or else" situation & this group of players combined w/ the returning players probably gives him best shot at a tourney run for next year (if Hall ends up coming back - which I think he will - definitely gives a bigger bump).
Neff has given him a freebie & for moment, BB has made the best of it in terms of filling out his roster for next year. Whether we get the results on the court will be a different story.
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Re: On surface, I think that BB actually did good w/ the portal haul
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May 10, 2023, 8:53 AM
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True insanity 14 years of Same...yet expecting a different result????
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So, however good these guys may turn out to be, three of
May 9, 2023, 11:05 PM
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them are one and done as far as Clemson is concerned, right? They are out of eligibility after this year, and will have to be replaced again. Hard to build any continuity when you are replacing key pieces year after year. (Unless you are Kentucky and do it with 5 star one and done NBA freshmen.) I would prefer to build the roster out of high school, as in Hall and Schieff. But, that's just me, I guess.
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Re: TNET: Clemson Basketball signs four transfers
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May 10, 2023, 8:49 AM
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Too Little Too Late
Year 14 will be rinse & repeat
What will young Neff do then?
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