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Re: ESPN's Lunardi latest Clemson NCAAs projection
Feb 27, 2023, 4:01 PM
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So if we are currently the 3rd team left out, we should be in with 2 more wins.
That could either be UVA and ND, or ND and a win in the tourney.
Come on tigers!
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Re: ESPN's Lunardi latest Clemson NCAAs projection
Feb 27, 2023, 4:32 PM
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2 wins isn't going to cut it. We need 3 from here to make the jump. Don't forget other teams ahead of us and close behind are playing also. We have at least 3 games left, so we still fully control our own destiny in terms of playing our way in.
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Re: ESPN's Lunardi latest Clemson NCAAs projection
Feb 27, 2023, 4:10 PM
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This ACCT is shaping up to be like tournaments of old where you have to win to get to the NCAAT. The ACC is now officially a Mid Major basketball conference battling for scraps left over by the big boys.
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Re: ESPN's Lunardi latest Clemson NCAAs projection
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Feb 27, 2023, 4:17 PM
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Wow. A tad dramatic, eh?
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Re: ESPN's Lunardi latest Clemson NCAAs projection
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Feb 27, 2023, 5:40 PM
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The ACC is ranked behind the Mountain West and Big East in both NET and RPI conference rankings. Sounds pretty mid-majorish to me.
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Re: ESPN's Lunardi latest Clemson NCAAs projection
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Feb 27, 2023, 4:18 PM
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After the 2021-22 season I took half a vacation day for the first game against Miami in the ACCT. The very next week I took another half vacation day for our 1st rd. NCAAT game against Rutgers. That was when I gave up on Brownell. If we end up with that #4 slot I'm going to do it again but this time with zero expectations.
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Re: ESPN's Lunardi latest Clemson NCAAs projection
Feb 27, 2023, 5:52 PM
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That Miami loss was really a crusher. They had 7 players on their roster, it was an early game, and they had just played late the night before. We would have had a game against Ga Tech in the semis on Friday, who we matched up well with. The finals were cancelled due to UVA getting the Rona and Ga Tech wound up winning the thing.
Another inexplicable loss that cost us a great opportunity for our first ACC tournament championship.
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Re: ACC had two Final 4 teams last year.***
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Feb 27, 2023, 5:43 PM
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If 13% of a conference is really good does that mean the rest of the conference is? That sounds a lot like SEC mentality.
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Re: ACC was the best conf in the NCAAT last year
Feb 28, 2023, 5:50 AM
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So if a conference has 100 teams, and the top 4 make the final four, and the other 96 have losing records...is it a good conference?
Point being, you can't measure the conference as a whole based on the performance of the top few.
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Re: ACC was the best conf in the NCAAT last year
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Feb 28, 2023, 6:38 AM
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Well I'm pretty sure the acc doesn't have 100 teams.
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Re: ACC was the best conf in the NCAAT last year
Feb 28, 2023, 6:40 AM
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whooooooshhhh
The sound of logic just flying right over your head
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Re: ACC was the best conf in the NCAAT last year
Feb 28, 2023, 6:50 AM
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You are exaggerating to the extreme. It's a huge difference if 2 of 12 teams are good compared to 2 of 100. If you have a league with 12 teams and 2 of those teams are top 4 in the nation I would deff argue that is a strong league.
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Re: ACC was the best conf in the NCAAT last year
Feb 28, 2023, 6:55 AM
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Well, Clemson won 2 football nattys and was 1 of only 4 teams in the entire country to make the CFP for several years running. Did that make the ACC a top football conference?
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Re: ACC was the best conf in the NCAAT last year
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Feb 28, 2023, 6:58 AM
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Nope gotta be 2 teams out of 12 that are really good not just 1. The acc didn't have just 2 good teams last year tho. So I would deff say it was pretty strong. This year we won the big 10 acc challenge. I think there are 7 very good basketball teams that have potential to make a decent run in the tournament. I believe the big12 is way overrated personally.
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Re: ACC was the best conf in the NCAAT last year
Feb 28, 2023, 10:24 AM
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You’re missing the point and failing to make one. Just as there are 100 teams, there aren’t 12. There are 15. Showing the tournament win / loss record of the conference does not refute the argument that having 2 teams in the Final Four does not reflect the quality of the conference. 10 of those wins were from 2 teams. Perhaps, if those 2 teams had finished middle of the pack, you’d have a point. But guess who the top 3 teams in the league were? UNC, Duke, and Miami. You could just as easily argue that the committee got it exactly right. Saying the ACC is down is not blind speculation. Look at the non-conference performance of the entire conference. It’s dreadful. We’re (or the committee) should just ignore it? It was early in the season? That sure starts to sound like let’s give everyone a trophy. Someone else commented that a 20 win team should be in the tourney. There are nearly (and by seasons end will be over) 100 teams with 20 wins. It isn’t impressive. You can “think” Big 12 is overrated but you can’t actually defend that in any meaningful way. Their non-conference record, as a league, is a staggering 107-22 or 83%. The ACC is 108-52 or 67%. The ACC’s non-conference win % ranks 6th. And the ACC is not playing a harder SOS. The NET ranking falls to 7 because it’s weak.
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The ACC significantly outperformed where they were seeded
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Feb 28, 2023, 11:27 AM
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last year. There are other leagues that have consistently not lived up to their seeding. The NCAA has become way too dependent on NET - it a tremendously flawed analytic - it was created for others to game the system
The ACC is almost always the best league come March or at least top 3 with others rotating in and out. They are typically the league that gets hit the hardest with roster turnover due to the talent in the league which means a bigger start-over year to year and thus December becomes more experimental because the coaches know that if they don't have their rotation set when entering league play in this league you're going to finish bottom 1/3 and have no chance at post-season.
There are 10 teams right now that can win a game in the NCAAT. There are about 9-10 who could win 2 and about 5-6 who could go deeper. But instead you'll see 5-6 in and they will have to fight poor seeding to advance....
can't wait to they expand the tourney so it exposes some of the BS seeding and bids that have gone to other conferences
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Re: The ACC significantly outperformed where they were seeded
Feb 28, 2023, 12:40 PM
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You continue to conflate the ACC having 1 or 2 elite teams with being good as a conference. Yes, over the last decade or so the ACC has done very well in the tournament. For example, from 2011 to 2020 the conference had 20 number 1 or 2 seeds. The next nearest conference had 12. Those 1 seeds, more than double any conference other than the biggest Big East (over 50% more than them), have been impressive. But 1 seeds usually are - as they have the easiest path. The rest of the conference over that span has been entirely pedestrian in the tourney. So has the conference really been that great or was there a residual effect as it continued to earn high bids based partly on past glory. If you want to brag on the 2022 ACC record how do you reconcile it with the abysmal 2021 4-7 performance.
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Re: The ACC significantly outperformed where they were seeded
Feb 28, 2023, 12:42 PM
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So you think have 6 pretty good teams in a conference makes it better then one that just has 2 great teams?
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Re: The ACC significantly outperformed where they were seeded
Feb 28, 2023, 2:55 PM
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I can’t even keep up with what you’re trying to say. I assume you’re referencing the Big XII. They had six teams in the tourney last year. They only have 10 teams in the conference. 60% of their conference made the tourney.
Let’s see how they did:
Baylor - knocked out of the round of 32 by UNC who would go on to the final. UNC in 2022 is textbook example of a team peaking late. They were dreadful at the start of the year. But played a competitive schedule and finished strong. Baylor was 27-7 last year. Hard to argue they didn’t earn the 1 seed. They just blew it. If we want to hold that against them and/or the Big XII the. which conference managed to blow the first and only 1 v 16 game ever?
Texas Tech was a 3 seed. Won 2 games then got knocked off by 2 seed Duke. So much for being undervalued by the committee. And TT obviously didn’t underperform.
TCU. 9 seed. Beat the higher 8 seed and lost to the 1 seed in round 2.
Kansas. 1 seed. Eventual champion. I mean, ###?
Iowa State - 11 seed. made sweet 16 before losing to higher seed Miami.
Texas - 6 seed. Beat VT on way to round of 32. Lost to 3 seed Purdue
By seeding there is only one upset of a Big XII team. Every single team (representing 60% of the conference) advanced at least one round. They have the eventual national champion. I cannot fathom arguing that is “pretty good” to the ACC “great”.
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Re: The ACC significantly outperformed where they were seeded
Feb 28, 2023, 4:23 PM
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It was hypothetical. Wasn't talking about the big12 last year. Just asking what u think makes a good conference and what doesn't.
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Re: ACC was the best conf in the NCAAT last year
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Feb 28, 2023, 12:37 PM
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My point is 2 great teams can make a conference good imo. Doesn't have to be ur opinion though. Besides that i believe the acc team for team is just as good as the big12 or any conferenfe. Match them up any way you want to I believe the acc is right up there and would at least split if the conferences played head to head. Do you disagree?
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Re: ACC was the best conf in the NCAAT last year
Feb 28, 2023, 12:41 PM
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But those matchups happened. That’s non-conference record. And we stunk.
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Re: ACC was the best conf in the NCAAT last year
Feb 28, 2023, 4:25 PM
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No it's not. If 1 acc team goes 0-12 in ooc that skews the who thing. We beat the big 10 in the acc big 10 challenge. Not sure our record vs big 12.
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Re: ESPN's Lunardi latest Clemson NCAAs projection
Feb 28, 2023, 9:09 AM
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David Hood had an interesting comment about the selection committee not looking at a team’s conference record or conference standing, but considering conference games equally with out of conference games.
That said, Clemson is 4-2 against the 5 ACC teams projected in the tournament. Tonight is a chance to make it 5-2.
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Re: ESPN's Lunardi latest Clemson NCAAs projection
Feb 28, 2023, 9:23 AM
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David Hood had an interesting comment about the selection committee not looking at a team’s conference record or conference standing, but considering conference games equally with out of conference games.
That said, Clemson is 4-2 against the 5 ACC teams projected in the tournament. Tonight is a chance to make it 5-2.
As it should be, right? A good team is a good team, and a bad team is a bad team, regardless of conference affiliation. A win over Boston College just because they happen to be ACC isn't not bigger than a win over Houston.
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