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Disgusting how Clemson has expanded so much.
Sep 16, 2022, 9:02 AM
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I would have rather seen Clemson stay around 17,000 enrollment and increase its academic profile, rather than expanding to accommodate more applicants.
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Re: Disgusting how Clemson has expanded so much.
Sep 16, 2022, 9:42 AM
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Agree 100%.
I know the US News rankings don’t mean a whole lot, but we were solidly among the top 20 rated public institutions for several years in the late 90s and into the 2000s - and seemingly moving up. We are now #31 and falling, now behind schools such as NC State and VA Tech. That should never happen. Georgia (where I got my MBA) is now #15.
Although I like Clements personally, he has squandered a golden opportunity to raise our academic profile with this focus on making Clemson larger. If we’re not careful, in another 10 years we’ll be looking up at Auburn.
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It isn’t perfect, but US News & World Report includes the most important metrics
Sep 16, 2022, 9:47 AM
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for measuring academic quality.
Clements is a great guy, but he seems more focused on ballooning our enrollment and meeting football recruits than he does helping Clemson University fulfill its potential as a university.
My concern when we hired him was if his experience at West Virginia prepared him for Clemson. The two schools are very different, and at this point I’m not sure if hiring him was the right decision.
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He did some good things at WVU...
Sep 16, 2022, 9:50 AM
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but from an academic standpoint, they had nowhere to go but up, and they're still petty bad.
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Re: It isn’t perfect, but US News & World Report includes the most important metrics
Sep 16, 2022, 11:41 AM
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There is no vetting of the US NEWS data. US NEWS asks the questions, Universities answer the questions and NO ONE checks to see who is lying. THAT is a system that is begging to be cheated.
There have recently been some pretty high profile Universities that have admitted to lying about their data. Top Ten Universities.
It’s a lazy system and I no longer believe in it.
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Re: Disgusting how Clemson has expanded so much.
Sep 16, 2022, 6:12 PM
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The primary reason for the drop is that Clemson spends less Than some schools ranked higher even thou our academic profile is better...spending is a major metric for USNWR. BTW, Jim Clements does not get to decide on grow, that is a BOT decision. Statically, the incoming class has as good or better SAT/ACT scores, HS Class rank, GPA than previous classes.
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Chasing that $$$. Nothing by business anymore.
Sep 16, 2022, 9:48 AM
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Kids should really learn a skill through tech school unless earning a degree in engineering, medical doctor, attorney, etc.
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Well yeah, I want my school to continue to grow in reputation.
Sep 16, 2022, 6:33 PM
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That isn’t elitist, that’s wanting to see Clemson reach its potential.
It isn’t a right as a South Carolinian to go to Clemson. As long as Clemson continues to accept South Carolina residents with some preference, it is fulfilling its mission.
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Bigger is not better.***
Sep 16, 2022, 9:12 AM
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Whatever helps you sleep at night, bless your heart.***
Sep 16, 2022, 10:16 AM
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Re: enrollment at Clemson by year...
Sep 16, 2022, 9:14 AM
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Don't freak out but there is an enrollment cliff coming. Enrollment boomed in the early 2010s because population characteristic but that same population swell is about to go flat. You will see another swell in the mid 2030s. Demographics
Next, if you look around New Jersey is everybodys problem. In VA at my undergrad dorm floor, we had 3 folks from Virginia, one guy (my roommate) from Beaufort SC, and 18 from NJ. That is just the norm. Granted, instate was still 80% but they crammed all the jersey folks into my hall... uggg.
Next, the cost to go instate in NJ is stupid high. $33K per year INSTATE. Clemson is $32K out of state. Any kid from NJ going to Clemson is finacially SMART... and since Thomas Green was also a yankee, I won't hold it against them.
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Re: enrollment at Clemson by year...
Sep 16, 2022, 9:57 AM
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Saw a number of NJ tags in student parking when I enrolled after discharge from the AF in 1971.
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A guy on my hall said NJ doesn't want to invest in
Sep 16, 2022, 10:17 AM
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brick and mortar schools, so there was some state assistance to help offset the out-of-state tuitions of other state’s schools. I never cared enough to verify though.
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Wow...26,406 !!!
Sep 16, 2022, 9:24 AM
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My Freshman year (1981), the enrollment was right at 12,000. Crazy that it has more than doubled.
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9,193 of us my freshman year in 1972.
Sep 16, 2022, 9:24 AM
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Man, that seems like 50 years ago. Oh, snap.....!
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Re: 9,193 of us my freshman year in 1972.
Sep 16, 2022, 9:57 AM
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When I went it was also under 10,000
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Re: 9,193 of us my freshman year in 1972.
Sep 16, 2022, 11:20 AM
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Broke 5000 for the first time my freshman year in 1965. That's also the first year we had a women's dorm.
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Lol, there was still a rule in place when I was there that
Sep 16, 2022, 12:19 PM
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if you had a woman visitor in your dorm room, the door had to be open the width of a trashcan.
Have you ever seen a trashcan smuushed flat as a credit card? Sure you have!
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From 1979-84
Sep 17, 2022, 1:33 PM
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Let's say the rules were a little more lax. I can remember coming downstairs at Manning many a morning at 7:00 or 8:00am when boys were allowed in the dorms.
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Re: enrollment at Clemson by year...
Sep 16, 2022, 3:42 PM
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To me the more disturbing part is that only 51% are residents of SC!
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Re: enrollment at Clemson by year...
Sep 16, 2022, 6:20 PM
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The overall student body is still at around 65/35 instate/out of state.
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Too big
Sep 16, 2022, 6:23 PM
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I always thought Clemson was too big for me in 1997. That’s why I went to Furman. Can’t imagine how big it is nowadays.
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Re: enrollment at Clemson by year...
Sep 17, 2022, 8:02 AM
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Agree on the general concern of growing too large just for the sake of size. The Bridge program seems kind of vague. However, drill into the facts and data of admitted students. Look at the ACT/SAT and GPA on the 2022 profile. If you have a student applying to Clemson you may be surprised. Also, look at the quality of our graduates. Many go directly into Leadership positions in every industry and they are geographically distributed. I am especially impressed with the recent achievements at the College of Business.
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NJ has been prevalent for a long time
Sep 17, 2022, 8:21 AM
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FR year in 2000 my room mate was from Boston and his best friend that came over all the time was from Jersey. SO year my room mate was from Jersey and he had a bunch of Jersey friends that all played on the rugby team.
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Re: enrollment at Clemson by year...
Sep 17, 2022, 1:24 PM
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I see you highlighted New Jersey. When I attended undergraduate school at Clemson in the early 70s the state with the highest enrollment after SC was NJ. Guess things have changed very little in 50 years. Back then, the only accredited school for architecture in NJ was Princeton and I wasn't going there. A friend's brother was in the College of Architecture at Clemson and suggested I apply. I did, got accepted. It was a bit of a culture shock but I loved my years at Clemson, both undergraduate and graduate. I've lived south of the Mason-Dixon Line for the last 42 years...
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Re: enrollment at Clemson by year...
Sep 17, 2022, 2:22 PM
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The best measuring stick of a school should be how much money a graduate makes.
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