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DRad needs to go to some junior level management and HR cla

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Jun 12, 2014, 3:09 PM

DRad needs to take some junior level management and HR classes.

1. DRad had zero business discussing the details of a "one on one" job performance review with a newspaper. (With anyone not in his up-line chain of command ,for that matter.)

2.The discussion should have been documented in the employees personnel file. It becomes relevant only if there is a failure to meet the outlined job improvements and still isn't a public document.

3. If he and Jack discussed these changes , and they wanted to make the details public, DRad should have made one of the required steps ,to be taken by "Jack", to announce changes in "his program".

4. DRad undercut Jack by going public with that level of detail.

My thoughts have NOTHING to do with whether the changes are good or bad changes. I am shocked that Jack didn't/doesn't pack his bags and tell DRad to kiss his butt on the way out the door. Again , not because of the changes that were ordered, (DRad is his boss)but because his boss went to the newspapers with stuff that should never have come out the way that it did.

I would fire a mid-level manager in my company for doing what DRad did to an entry level programmer, can't imagine DRad doing it to a hall of fame coach that has given that many years to the program.

OK I am through venting.

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I disagree

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Jun 12, 2014, 3:19 PM

The four items in the P&C article were program changes, not Jack specific PIP items. If it were items like Jack must see a sports psychologist, win 40 or more games, make a super regional, etc. or lose his job, that would be different.

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Re: I disagree

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Jun 12, 2014, 3:44 PM

> The four items in the P&C article were program
> changes, not Jack specific PIP items. If it were
> items like Jack must see a sports psychologist, win
> 40 or more games, make a super regional, etc. or lose
> his job, that would be different.

1 - Sports Psychologists - DRad is telling Jack he isn't getting the job done with the mental aspect of the job, telling him to bring in a particular skill set to fix the problem. Why in the world did DRad need to announce that? Jack should have been asked to give an update on changes in his program. If it doesn't get done, fire him.

2 - Meeting of the Minds - Go work with other staff's you are not keeping up with the game. Try telling something like that to Steve Spurrier and then publishing it in the paper. If it needed to be said and done, tell Jack to do it . If he doesn't do it , fire him.

3 - Player Counsel - This is by far the most amazing one of the four. Telling the coach how to organize his team and how to do it, in the newspaper? please! If DRad wanted it done, tell Jack to do it. If he wont do it , fire him.

4 - Jack's Image - Publicly scolding him for his
comments to some disgruntled fans. What of the point in that? Wouldn't it be more effective to tell Jack that was not acceptable and he expected Jack to apologize or etc...
If it needs to be done , tell Jack to do it. If it doesn't get done fire him.

The point is that DRad showed really poor management skills here. DRad could have accomplished everything that he wanted while protecting Jack in his peer group and with his team by simply having said (DRad could have simply said the following)...

Jack and I have had substantive conversations on the state of the program and I am confident in Jack's ability to point this ship back in a direction that will match our goals. Jack will be presenting his plans in the near future! Go Tigers!


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Yeah, Leggett came to you to have an extensive talk about...


Jun 12, 2014, 3:47 PM

the program. Even, if that was true you keep it to yourself, you don't advertise on a message board.

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Re: Yeah, Leggett came to you to have an extensive talk about...


Jun 12, 2014, 3:54 PM

> the program. Even, if that was true you keep it to
> yourself, you don't advertise on a message board.

Did you read the post?

I said that "DRad" should have said that "he had an extensive discussion ....and Jack would announce program changes"

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EC2...what is your credibility and experience


Jun 12, 2014, 4:29 PM

in these matters?

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Re: EC2...what is your credibility and experience

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Jun 12, 2014, 4:49 PM

Re: EC2...what is your credibility and experience...

30 Years in the management world , with at it's peak 24 direct reports and 450 locations. I am currently in a senior executive position with a major player in the software development world and have only three direct reports.

If you read my posts in this thread you will find that they have little to do with judging the need or lack of need for changes, and everything to do with my opinion of DRads choice of using a newspaper article to publicly speak about corrective actions that "he" is making in a very senior employees area of responsibility.

He could have done the same thing, and allowed Jack to maintain his self respect. I just think it was poor management practice by DRad.

It is my prerogative to voice that opinion, and the right of anyone else to agree or disagree.

I have only seen senior managers try this atyype of approach when trying to force a resignation rather than "right the ship".


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Esso, I agree with you***


Jun 13, 2014, 1:43 PM



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Re: Esso, I agree with you***


Jun 13, 2014, 1:58 PM

Dead has put his stamp of approval on this situation. He will have a tough time covering his behind next year if Leggett fails to win big. Drad will have to answer to the fans why he let Jack have another year.

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Get a grip, and lay off the energy drinks...

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Jun 12, 2014, 3:45 PM

some of you just always have to have something to whine about.

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Judging from the article's tone, this looked like a planned


Jun 12, 2014, 4:09 PM

occurrence to introduce the program's changes to the public. I really don't see what all the fuss is about. I would imagine Leggett being well aware that DRad was planning to share those elements, as I would imagine that there was a lot discussed between the two that wasn't shared.

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Re: How would you like to work for a jerk like that|? He

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Jun 12, 2014, 4:22 PM

put Leggett in the position of a scolded child while trying to cover his ---. I know he has been the AD only a year but he needs to show some cahoonas. I am not supporting JL performance in any way.

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DRad showing the Mike McGee management style.***

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Jun 12, 2014, 4:29 PM



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The way I see it DRad did Jack a favor by putting the


Jun 12, 2014, 4:38 PM

focus on more institutional elements around the program instead of wins/losses/hosting, etc. - things Leggett is most accountable for. He shared things that the athletics department can assist Jack with to help his program. I'm surprised at the reaction to what amounts to an fairly innocuous official position on behalf of the AD.

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If he wanted to help Jack


Jun 12, 2014, 4:43 PM

h could have given him a token extension without a buyout for recruiting, or announced that the athletic department would be looking at making further facility improvements be a larger part of the overall athletic improvement plan.

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Re: If he wanted to help Jack


Jun 12, 2014, 4:44 PM

extension may come later this summer. according to every interview i heard it wasnt even brought up

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Leggett hasn't warranted an extension, token or not.


Jun 12, 2014, 4:48 PM

That kind of tactic would have been a disservice to all parties. It's extremely difficult to move a HOF coach out of a program, especially when that program is Clemson. We're witnessing the beginning stage.

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An extension without a buyout


Jun 12, 2014, 6:25 PM

or an extremely token buyout isn't a reward for the coach, it's simply a means of keeping his legs from getting cut out from underneath him on the recruiting trail. Tons of programs give coaches extensions like this every year for that exact same purpose.

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Re: Judging from the article's tone, this looked like a planned


Jun 12, 2014, 4:51 PM

> occurrence to introduce the program's changes to the
> public. I really don't see what all the fuss is
> about. I would imagine Leggett being well aware that
> DRad was planning to share those elements, as I would
> imagine that there was a lot discussed between the
> two that wasn't shared.

You are right , it was definitely planned. I would like to know if Jack was involved it the plan related to communicating the program changes. That seems like a fare question.

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Hopefully someone will ask Jack that at some point,


Jun 12, 2014, 4:58 PM

though it's more likely that this story cycles on through well before he's back in front of the media.

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I'm by no means a Jack fan

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Jun 12, 2014, 4:40 PM

and I agree with you 100%.

DRad accomplished absolutely nothing making this public, and if it had to be made public he should have let Jack do it.

If I went public with the results of a job performance interview with one of my subordinates I would be looking for a job within a week.

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Re: DRad needs to go to some junior level management and HR cla

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Jun 12, 2014, 4:44 PM

Bottom line:

I like Jack and respect him.

DRad has done nothing to impress me so far.

And I agree with the OP on this subject. Having been a Mgr & Director for numerous years - you never, ever disrespect your staff in front of their peer group.

If anyone needs to go - it's DRad.

Now - if Jack does great next year, then DRad will take the credit for his excellent management skills as the reason for Jack's success and probably get a huge raise. If Jack fails, then Jack probably gets fired, and DRad still looks like a hero. That's like a team using bat-warmers against your team. Oh wait...

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or maybe Tommy Boy could be the guide


Jun 12, 2014, 5:23 PM

I was semi-blasted last week for expecting some communication on the direction of baseball last week instead of leaking the "decision" out and waiting for the waters to calm down. Regardless, IMO, the communication could have been handled better overall. I'm glad DRad finally communicated something, but probably would have done Jack and the program better by communicating simply why he kept Jack, the overall vision going forward, and how the Athl Dept was going to help as well. The details about the meeting and how it was discussed with Jack are not important and seem undermining. I don't disagree with any of the overall areas that were mentioned for improvement, but it's like the phrase from Tommy Boy (G version): "I can get a good look at a T-bone by sticking my head up a bull's butt, but I'd rather take a butcher's word for it."

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Re: this thread pretty much confirms an earlier post on DRad


Jun 12, 2014, 5:30 PM

D@mned if he do, d@mned if he don't. Half of tnet wanted his head for not being more open about what is going on. Now half wants it for being too open. And the other half is following midget Bob and his group of derailers doing whatever it is that they do. :)

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Re: this thread pretty much confirms an earlier post on DRad

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Jun 12, 2014, 5:57 PM

> D@mned if he do, d@mned if he don't. Half of tnet
> wanted his head for not being more open about what is
> going on. Now half wants it for being too open. And
> the other half is following midget Bob and his group
> of derailers doing whatever it is that they do. :)

You are about the third person that has posted this type of reply to the OP in this thread. It was not a "amned if he does , ###### if he didn't" situation.

He simply did a #### poor job of executing.

1. It was/is DRads job to manage the athletic department.

2. Part of that responsibility is managing (hire/fire/counsel) coaches who in turn manage areas within DRads organization.

3. Based on his article, he had four changes that he in a session/sessions with Jack indicated needed to be changed.

4. That session with Jack was the opportunity for he and Jack to come to terms with the changes that needed to happen. That session was also Jack's opportunity to agree/disagree etc with DRads changes.

5. If Jack was "not" on board with the changes , he had the opportunity to quit , negotiate , etc. At that point, If Jack was "not" on board , DRad had every right to make a change, ask for resignation etc.

6. If, as it appears from the article, Jack agreed with the changes and was onboard. The best way of communicating the changes and updating the fan base is critical in a job as public as the head coach at a public university. Part of that discussion , for a solid management team, has to be ' "How can we communicate these changes and implement them in a manner that gives the greatest chance of success. (this is where I belive DRad "screwed the pooch".

7. DRad, needed to come out and tell "us" that he completed the review of the baseball program and that he was confident in Jack's plan, with his support, to get our program where it needs to be. At the same time, he should have said that Jack would be outlining the areas that he was addressing at "X Time" or in "X" forum.

Instead, DRad chastised a hall of fame coach in the public media. This is in front of his peers, his players, his subordinates, his fans, his critics and potential recruits.

Don't get confused on where the criticism of DRad is aimed. I have no idea how to fix a baseball program. I do know that , DRad did very little to give the changes a chance to succeed. Maybe that was his goal, but I doubt it. I will be interested to see how this all plays out.

I stand by the assertion that DRad's article was a stupid way to communicate Jack's job performance review.

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No. 1 Leggett is desperate for job & big paycheck.

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Jun 12, 2014, 6:43 PM

No. 2 IMHO Leggett has minimal Tiger fan and player support right now and is costing Clemson talented recruits. DRad has purely kicked the can down the road 1 year.

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Re: No. 1 Leggett is desperate for job & big paycheck.

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Jun 12, 2014, 7:07 PM

the pure idiocy on this board is truly mind boggling.

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Re: No. 1 Leggett is desperate for job & big paycheck.

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Jun 12, 2014, 10:56 PM

Drad had a choice. I still think it would have been better for the program to start fresh with a new coach. He chose not to take this path. If Drad truly believed in Leggett, he would have given him an extension. Why did Drad chose not to give an extension to Leggett? He's giving him a chance to prove he can turn this thing around. Why no changes in staff? I'm sure Jack insisted on keeping his best friend. Why did Drad make the goals public? If next season goes bad,Jack will have no excuses regarding the coaches on staff or not knowing the defined goal by Drad. It will be easy and accepted by all to fire Jack. The only group upset will be the Leggett cult who would not fire him if he lost 40 games. That's sad when the man comes before the program.

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Jun 12, 2014, 11:07 PM

> Drad had a choice. I still think it would have been
> better for the program to start fresh with a new
> w coach. He chose not to take this path. If Drad
> truly believed in Leggett, he would have given him an
> extension. Why did Drad chose not to give an
> extension to Leggett? He's giving him a chance to
> prove he can turn this thing around. Why no changes
> in staff? I'm sure Jack insisted on keeping his best
> friend. Why did Drad make the goals public? If next
> season goes bad,Jack will have no excuses regarding
> the coaches on staff or not knowing the defined goal
> by Drad. It will be easy and accepted by all to fire
> Jack. The only group upset will be the Leggett cult
> who would not fire him if he lost 40 games. That's
> sad when the man comes before the program.

That is "plum silly" . If DRa had no confidence in Legget , he should have had the kahoonas to fire him! You are saying he is willing to completely waste a year to make it a popular opinionto fire him?

what a joke...grow a pair

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Re: No. 1 Leggett is desperate for job & big paycheck.


Jun 12, 2014, 11:16 PM

I agree with you. The popular opinion is to get rid of Jack. Have you considered that Jack may have had some key support in high places that prevented Drad from firing Jack? By setting up the guidelines, Drad will have the grounds to fire Jack next year if this team underperforms again. He kept his coaches so he can't blame anybody but himself if the baseball team has another bad year. Remember there was no extension . For the record,I wanted Leggett fired now.

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Re: No. 1 Leggett is desperate for job & big paycheck.

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Jun 12, 2014, 7:17 PM

ABSOLUTELY!!! I have talked with several former players and NOT ONE of them had any support for Jack.. he is ruining our program and the end of his damage is not in site!

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Re: No. 1 Leggett is desperate for job & big paycheck.


Jun 12, 2014, 7:24 PM

please lite, fill us in on who these players are. no reason they should mind having their name on the internet. really thought you were better than this lite.

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Re: DRad needs to go to some junior level management and HR cla

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Jun 13, 2014, 8:37 AM

Agree- I thought it was totally inappropriate to get into that level of specifics on Jack. Doesn't build an environment of trust between AD and coaches. Despite what many of the "baseball experts" think, Jack is a solid teacher of the game, he knows the game and how to coach young people. He has some talent issues he needs to address to get back to his expectation level and our expectation level as fans. While, I think the 4 points DRad discussed are on point, it was disrespectful to lecture a Hall of Fame coach in an interview like he is a grad assistant.

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Jun 13, 2014, 11:50 AM

Should Drad have told Jack that he was doing a good job ? Any thinking fan can see the the slide in this program except Jack. Remember he told PK that there was nothing wrong with the baseball program? Drad should have fired Jack for 4 years of sub par coaching performances. Instead he unwisely decided to keep Jack and his entire staff. I read the four changes that he wanted made. Where was winning big games? Making the targets for next year public at least lets us know that changes have to be made for Jack to keep his job. Jack has no respect for the fans. He has to earn our respect.

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Jun 13, 2014, 12:17 PM

> Should Drad have told Jack that he was doing a good
> job ? Any thinking fan can see the the slide in
> this program except Jack. Remember he told PK that
> there was nothing wrong with the baseball program?
> Drad should have fired Jack for 4 years of sub par
> r coaching performances. Instead he unwisely decided
> to keep Jack and his entire staff. I read the four
> changes that he wanted made. Where was winning big
> games? Making the targets for next year public at
> least lets us know that changes have to be made for
> Jack to keep his job. Jack has no respect for the
> fans. He has to earn our respect.

CUBobby, I am not sure that you are even on the same subject as was intended for this thread. Forget whether Jack should be there, should be gone, should make changes, whether the four changes that were identified were correct , and etc.

The OP in this thread was critical of DRad for his management techniques. I think it was...

1] an absolute unprofessional move to discuss the details of a job performance evaluation in an interview in a public newspaper.

2] It made Jack look weak, and made DRad look like an AD that will embarrass others to insulate himself.

3] The entire point of the post was that DRad "HAD the right and is paid to make decisions and establish direction, but he also has the responsibility to put his people in the best position to achieve those goals. DRad weakened Jack , when he could demanded in private that Jack make the requested changes , and demanded that Jack communicated those changes to the fan base and players and staff. All DRad accomplished here is make a failed attempt at covering his own bottom.

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Re: DRad needs to go to some junior level management and HR cla


Jun 13, 2014, 1:10 PM

Maybe he should have kept the goals for program improvements to himself. Right now a large part of this fan vase wants to see proof that Jack and his staff is being held accountable for the decline in Clemson baseball. We want to know that the ad actually cares about baseball and its decline. The only group that doesn't care about winning is the Leggett cult. Drad has created a divided fanbase and a mess that will continue into next season. Less wins next year will make the negativity this year look calm.

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Jun 13, 2014, 1:09 PM

Humiliating a long-term employee - academically sound team - good citizens - wins more than he loses - this is terrible to do to anyone, but particularly a successful coach.

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Jun 13, 2014, 1:10 PM

Humiliating a long-term employee - academically sound team - good citizens - wins more than he loses - this is terrible to do to anyone, but particularly a successful coach.

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