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Re: Do you trust the FBI?
Nov 20, 2022, 5:46 PM
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Rotten to the core
Nov 20, 2022, 6:32 PM
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Re: Do you trust the FBI?
Nov 20, 2022, 7:35 PM
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Overall, yeah. I have friends that work with the FBI. Great honest people. Of course there are some bad apples everywhere though.
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Re: Do you trust the FBI?
Nov 20, 2022, 8:15 PM
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Yeh sure...but one bad apple at the FBI is like 100,000 regular bad apples.
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Re: Do you trust the FBI?
Nov 20, 2022, 8:19 PM
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Yes, but you don't have any real examples. The vast majority are honorable people, unlike the people they go after or the people who criticize them constantly.
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Re: Do you trust the FBI?
Nov 20, 2022, 9:01 PM
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You have to be an idiot to think that is a good example of the overall FBI.
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Re: Do you trust the FBI?
Nov 21, 2022, 9:12 AM
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You have to be an idiot to think that is a good example of the overall FBI.
Lmao. You're right.... it's not representative of the entire fbi. It's just the leadership.
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Re: Do you trust the FBI?
Nov 21, 2022, 10:06 AM
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It's not even a problem with leadership. Its just MAGA idiots that fell for another conspiracy theory, as usual.
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Re: Do you trust the FBI?
Nov 20, 2022, 9:02 PM
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Hunter Biden? That's what you're going with. One dude? Who cares? You're an idiot.
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Re: Do you trust the FBI?
Nov 20, 2022, 9:04 PM
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Is that story even relevant? Do you realize how.massive the FBI is. You guys get more ignorant by the second.
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Roughly the size of the NYPD
Nov 20, 2022, 9:13 PM
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No corruption there though.
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Re: Roughly the size of the NYPD
Nov 20, 2022, 11:49 PM
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Seek mental help. There is no story.
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Re: Do you trust the FBI?
Nov 21, 2022, 8:33 PM
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The top of the FBI is filled with political hacks.
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Re: Do you trust the FBI?
Nov 20, 2022, 8:58 PM
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I think at the crime busting level it's probably a pretty decent organization, but historically at the top levels there has been political corruption that has violated individual rights. And, in some cases has inserted itself into Presidential politics and campaigns - see Kennedy, see Hillary Clinton, see Trump.
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Re: Do you trust the FBI?
Nov 20, 2022, 9:00 PM
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And some unnecessary massacring at Ruby Ridge and Waco. Those were shots called by the top.
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Re: Do you trust the FBI?
Nov 20, 2022, 9:07 PM
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They do so many great things. Your examples are weak. Yeah they are human and they blow it some times. That said, they are vital to this country and their integrity is generally amazing.
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Re: Do you trust the FBI?
Nov 20, 2022, 9:18 PM
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sure there are many 1000s of good people in the FBI. But when the bad ones are at the top, it's a big problem. Ethics start at the top. I believe there are many, many unethical people in the FBI. Probably 1000s as well.
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Re: Do you trust the FBI?
Nov 20, 2022, 11:51 PM
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Long story short, you are delusional because became part of a cult. It's that simple.
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Re: Do you trust the FBI?
Nov 21, 2022, 9:14 AM
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Long story short, you are delusional because became part of a cult. It's that simple.
This is why stupid people post, when they have nothing intelligent to say.
Haha! Everybody laugh at this idiot. The FBI is squeaky clean!
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Re: Do you trust the FBI?
Nov 21, 2022, 10:10 AM
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I thought you’d have been smarter than to come out of the gate with the “mostly peaceful” argument.
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Re: Do you trust the FBI?
Nov 21, 2022, 3:57 PM
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Huh? I think you accidentally posted on the wrong thread or you're just lost generally.
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Re: Do you trust the FBI?
Nov 21, 2022, 3:49 PM
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What cult? The MAGA cult?
You weren't around, at least not in your current name, Jan 2020 when I must have been among the first to agree Trump had lost. I didn't vote for Trump in 2016 primary. But, of course I foresaw, unlike you people, what a disaster we were headed for in 2020, so I did vote Trump.
You have been trained by Cata and heyhey to resort to the same silly responses.
I also know several FBI agents from work - in a professional type environment. All of them seem like decent and smart people, but it's not a large data sample.
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Re: Do you trust the FBI?
Nov 21, 2022, 3:59 PM
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You still would support him. That shows your character. Your cult is an accurate description.
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Re: Do you trust the FBI?
Nov 21, 2022, 1:59 AM
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I don't think the children that were killed at Ruby Ridge and at Waco thought it was weak, but you do you.
A buildup of a military style invasion at Waco was not a mistake. It was planned, and in your style of conversation - only a complete idiot would think otherwise.
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Re: Do you trust the FBI?
Nov 21, 2022, 5:55 PM
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What would the correct course of action at Waco been? Sending a few agents to the front door to tell them of their violations? Yeah, I know, those people were mostly white, so the whole thing about "must comply" doesn't apply.
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Re: Do you trust the FBI?
Nov 21, 2022, 7:27 PM
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Well, they did leave the compound. I don't know, pick them up when they left. Whatever is the opposite of a military raid that ended up killing a lot of innocent people.
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Re: Do you trust the FBI?
Nov 21, 2022, 7:58 PM
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4 agents were murdered when they showed up with a search warrant. They then laid siege to the compound for 51 days. They initially negotiated the release of 19 children who were taken from the compound and told investigators they were physically and sexually abused. What would you have done differently? They were not "complying", something you guys always bring up when cops kill minorities. Yet this is "different".
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Re: Do you trust the FBI?
Nov 21, 2022, 8:08 PM
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I just told you. Should have never been a siege in the first place. I probably would have backed off and gotten Koresh when he left the compound.
But, I'm sure you think that running a tank into the building an setting the place on fire and sending 26 children to their death was the only way. I'm shocked.
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Re: Do you trust the FBI?
Nov 21, 2022, 8:18 PM
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How do you execute a search warrant if you don't actually show up on the premises and provide warrant? And the FBI did not get involved until after the ATF agents were murdered.
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Re: Do you trust the FBI?
Nov 21, 2022, 8:26 PM
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Clearly, their actions ended in a massacre. Originally Clinton did not want the raid, but Reno talked him into it based on the amount of money it was costing. To think the DOJ and FBI took the appropriate actions at Waco is ridiculous.
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Re: Do you trust the FBI?
Nov 21, 2022, 8:27 PM
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What should they have done different? Waiting.
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Re: Do you trust the FBI?
Nov 21, 2022, 8:34 PM
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I've told you twice. I can't seem to penetrate the thickness.
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Re: Do you trust the FBI?
Nov 21, 2022, 8:37 PM
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WHAT SHOULD THE FBI HAVE DONE DIFFERENT. This thread is about the FBI per the OP. They did not become involved until after the ATF agents were murdered. Koresh was refusing to leave the compound. So what should the FBI have done different? You seem to really be struggling with this.
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Re: Do you trust the FBI?
Nov 21, 2022, 8:41 PM
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NOT RUN TANKS INTO THE BUILDING AND SET THE BUILDING ON FIRE AND MURDER A SLEW OF CHILDREN.
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Re: Do you trust the FBI?
Nov 21, 2022, 8:48 PM
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They used the armored vehicles to punch holes in the walls of the compound to pump in CS gas ("tear gas") and try to force the Branch Davidians out without harming them. The stated plan called for increasing amounts of gas to be pumped in over two days to increase pressure. Officially, no armed assault was to be made. Loudspeakers were to be used to tell the Branch Davidians that there would be no armed assault and to ask them not to fire on the vehicles. According to the FBI, the Hostage Rescue Team agents had been permitted to return any incoming fire, but no shots were fired by federal agents on April 19. When several Branch Davidians opened fire, the FBI Hostage Rescue Team's response was only to increase the amount of gas being used.
What would you have done differently after 51 days knowing that children were being sexually and physically abused inside? Are you not against pedophilia, or is it different in this case. What about the "you must comply"? Waiting.
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Re: Do you trust the FBI?
Nov 21, 2022, 9:06 PM
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Your last paragraph is probably one of the dumbest things I've read on this site. Are you for children being burned to death?
Given that there were discussions on the ground and at the Presidential and AG level about alternatives, there were other alternatives. The alternative that was chosen was obviously the wrong set of choices.
How can you not look at the results and understand this?
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Re: Do you trust the FBI?
Nov 21, 2022, 9:11 PM
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Many of the people and children were shot. The FBI fired ZERO rounds into the compound. So who shot them??????????????????? Koresh himself was shot in the head. The fires were deliberately set by the Davidians. AGAIN, what would you have done differently. We're still waiting.
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Re: Do you trust the FBI?
Nov 21, 2022, 9:14 PM
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You don't have to wait. You can just reread the thread.
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Re: Do you trust the FBI?
Nov 21, 2022, 9:18 PM
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FACT. The FBI shot ZERO rounds into the compound. Many of the Davidians, including Koresh and children, suffered gunshot wounds. These people were suicidal. The Davidians set the place on fire. One of the agents left the security of his armored vehicle to help a woman emerging from the compound. She ran from the agent and threw herself back into the burning building. The agent entered the building and pulled her out, and she survived.
Still waiting for you to tell us what a better plan would have been. You're still struggling.
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Re: Do you trust the FBI?
Nov 21, 2022, 9:26 PM
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Not struggling at all, except to wrap my head around why you think the FBI made the right choices, given the outcome.
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Re: Do you trust the FBI?
Nov 21, 2022, 9:37 PM
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You have yet to provide a better plan than what they did. As usual, you guys complain and have no clue as to what would work better. That means you are simply making political hay out of a very difficult situation.
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Re: Do you trust the FBI?
Nov 21, 2022, 9:47 PM
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And as the norm, y'all can't look at poor results and think maybe a situation could have been handled better.
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Re: Do you trust the FBI?
Nov 22, 2022, 9:20 AM
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This is typical of how you guys operate. Just like with the ACA, Ukraine, inflation, etc, you p!ss, moan and complain, yet you cannot offer a better solution to prove your point. And then you get mad when your weak sauce is pointed out.
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Re: Do you trust the FBI?
Nov 22, 2022, 9:39 AM
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Wow - that was a lot of comparisons of different situations and lumping them together, as for how people think about them. Now I understand why you are defending the FBI's actions at Waco, the executive at the time was a Dem, and that is your lens - they can do no wrong.
I'm not mad at all. I just feel sorry for a person who can't look back at Waco and realize some deadly mistakes were made.
The FBI should have temporarily backed off and later reengaged. A person doesn't have to be too smart to realize that putting a crazy person under stress and continuing to do so would end in tragedy. Had there not been dozens of innocents in that building, then there tactics may have been ok.
And, I would hope the FBI has people that are more highly trained than me to handle hostage situations. But, given the fact that most of the hostages perished, the operation was a FAIL, as is your defense of it.
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Re: Do you trust the FBI?
Nov 22, 2022, 10:55 AM
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The siege lasted 51 days. They had "backed off" numerous times already. Meanwhile, abused children were still inside with their abusers. The FBI made an honest attempt to get the people out without harming them. In the end, sadly the Davidians set the place on fire and shot themselves/each other, and backing off would have changed nothing. It's funny, you want to make political hay and fabricate this laughable narrative that the FBI should have "backed off" after 51 days, yet you never say the police should "back off" when their shooting or choking a minority to death. It's always " they should have complied". What is with this duplicity, other than trying to make a laughable political point?
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Re: Do you trust the FBI?
Nov 22, 2022, 11:14 AM
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You must be debating phantoms in your head again, with the police minority comment.
We just differ in opinion, that's all. You believe Waco was handled appropriately, and I do not.
The fact is, we don't know what would have happened if the FBI left for a period and tried another approach. We do know what happened with the approach they took.
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Re: Do you trust the FBI?
Nov 21, 2022, 2:15 AM
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How about spying on MLK for no reason or blackmailing Kennedy... I know, probably weak too. Yes, at the operational level they are mostly good, but they have a nefarious history at the top of the house. That's a fact.
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Re: Do you trust the FBI?
Nov 20, 2022, 9:04 PM
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Yes. But not the people directing
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Haven’t trusted them since Waco.***
Nov 21, 2022, 12:14 AM
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Re: Haven’t trusted them since Waco.***
Nov 21, 2022, 2:08 AM
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bu bu but, that was just human error
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Re: Haven’t trusted them since Waco.***
Nov 21, 2022, 3:45 PM
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I'm one of those crazies that think it's wrong for federal law enforcement to go onto someone's land and kill his family, and for federal law enforcement to run a tank into a compound (that they knew housed children) and set it on fire. I'm totally nuts, I guess.
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Re: Do you trust the FBI?
Nov 21, 2022, 11:24 AM
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Yes
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Re: Do you trust the FBI?
Nov 21, 2022, 2:41 PM
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I worked 2.5 years as a contractor that worked for the FBI.
My impression of the FBI consisted of growing up watching TV shows about the FBI in the 70s as a kid. I was fascinated about crime and crime investigations. I had never met an FBI agent in my life, just what I had seen on TV.
The story of how I came about getting this job was one that if you saw it on a TV show you would say that that doesn’t seem realistic and I don’t think it would work like that. I was approached about the job by a family friend who knew I was in a work situation that although I was glad that I had a job at the time, it wasn’t a job that I really enjoyed and it was not a job with much room for advancement. The family friend knew of my work history and knew of a previous job that I had and it was beneficial for this new job opening.
I was interviewed by an FBI agent and a retired Naval Officer who would be my day to day in office supervisors. I was offered and excepted on the day of the interview. Once I began work I found out the makeup of the office was mainly engineers with DOD or DOJ credentials and me a landscaper.?This group was lead by a FBI agent with 30 years in.
Long story short, I spent those 2.5 years in contact with FBI agents each and every day. I dealt with agents that were new to the job up to administrators with offices with a view at headquarters in Washington DC. When I say dealt with these administrators I mean I attended meetings with others and in no way had any say so for what was being discussed, I was there to provide data and info if needed during the meeting. You could tell the newer agents that grew up wanting to put away bad people and newer agents that had visions of those offices with a view in JEH building. The amount of politics that went on with every conversation with those more concerned with advancing was a wake up call for me early on at my new job. I was protected by the FBI agent in my office because he was feared by a lot of these that were there to move up the ladder.
The run of the mill agent that was there to get bad guys we’re in my experience very forthcoming and honest, the other guys that saw everyone and everything as a stepping stone to that next level I wouldn’t trust as far as I could throw them.
It’s a huge organization and like any organization of that size you are going to have good and bad. From my experience I encountered more decent very intelligent people than not. The scary thing was the bad apples that I did encounter seemed to always been Angling to positions of power.
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Re: Do you trust the FBI?
Nov 22, 2022, 8:21 PM
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Rank and file-yes. Higher ups-no and that dates back to Hoover.
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