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Heisman Winner [119695]
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Been taking in a number of posts/opinions lately re/ Trump
Oct 23, 2020, 4:07 PM
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And I understand the angst over his boorish behavior, low level of ethics, etc. My Take:
Trump is decidedly a different animal than the politicians we are used to. Most politicians are reasonably good at oratory, some excel at this. Some are leaders in the traditional sense, other lead through quiet persuasion and behind the scenes means. Most come from legal backgrounds, others from business, but Trump arrived on the scene with a history unlike any presidential candidate before.
Trump upset the Pub Party status quo in 2015/2016 when there were no great candidates, just as there were no great candidates for the Dems this cycle. He took a different tact, calling out any and all failings of his competitors and did not play the normal polite game of politics in the primary. His victory SURPRISED EVERYONE, including him, I believe. Trump carried those same tactics into the 2016 election against Hillary.
Hillary and the Dems were not phased and thought they had a win in the bag, but enough of the voting public in the RIGHT PLACES were enamored in a way with a candidate who was not a traditional politician and was one who promised a reclaim of Conservative Values. The rest is history.
I don't like Trump's behavior in the least, but I have supported most of his policies and believe those are in the best interest of this country. I truly believe that he would have been a milder form of himself if the opposition and some major media had not immediately started an impeachment movement even before inauguration and instead had tried to work across lines for the betterment of America.
Think about this for a moment .. if you were just promoted to a new position in your company and everyone fought you tooth and nail on everything you tried to do, how would you react? I know many will disagree with me on this, so be it.
Again, I do not like much of Trump's behavior, but he won the job in 2016 and deserved a fighting chance in the beginning. I just don't think he got a fair chance....
And now many are stigmatized by the political chaos of the past 4 years and we are faced with a choice between an incumbent who is like a mad dog backed in a corner and a questionable opponent who quite possible could not serve effectively if victorious.
It's sad that we are in this position....flame away
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All-In [49037]
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But for Trump non-traditional means
Oct 23, 2020, 4:10 PM
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walking into the room and pissing on everyone and then telling Hannity that everyone loves him so much they stole his urine.
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Heisman Winner [119695]
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Whatever....
Oct 23, 2020, 4:13 PM
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Did he win in 2016?
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Legend [16250]
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Re: Whatever....
Oct 23, 2020, 5:03 PM
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He did indeed.
In 2018 the House flipped to Democrats in near historic fashion.
In 2020 the Senate is now in jeopardy, as is of course the CEO.
Elections, as they say, have consequences.
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Lot o points [180987]
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It's gonna be a long 12 more days.***
Oct 23, 2020, 4:14 PM
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Heisman Winner [119695]
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Yep....
Oct 23, 2020, 4:16 PM
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I'm sick and tired of Jammy Harrison's fat face ;(
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Re: Yep....
Oct 23, 2020, 4:17 PM
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all he did was light a fire under Rs to hold thy nose and vote for that graham bastid
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Re: Been taking in a number of posts/opinions lately re/ Trump
Oct 23, 2020, 4:16 PM
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i like trump for his mud wrestling skills and take no prisoners attitude
he plays the dems like a fiddle
they fall in the traps they set for him
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Rock Defender [53]
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What are you even talking about?
Oct 23, 2020, 7:49 PM
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Who tells you this stuff? His base is dwindling and consists primarily of the same demographics.
His support has gone down across the board, and Republicans are losing midterm elections. Trumpsim is being rejected. He is not winning at anything.
Who does he "play like a fiddle". You mean pissing people off? That's the goal these days isn't it?
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Re: What are you even talking about?
Oct 24, 2020, 8:42 AM
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jamie harrison
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If I was wretchedly unqualified for this new promotion
Oct 23, 2020, 4:24 PM
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and acted like a complete ahole to anybody and everybody, I wouldn't expect anything but people fighting me tooth and nail. It's reality, not reality TV.
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Re: Been taking in a number of posts/opinions lately re/ Trump
Oct 23, 2020, 4:31 PM
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Trump was out of control even before he was elected. He just found someone more disliked than he is when he ran against Hillary, who also ran a terrible campaign to top it all off. The problems Trump has with the media are generally self inflicted. It will be interesting to see what he would be like if he won again and if there would be any changes in his style or his combativeness.
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nobody asked me ####***
Oct 23, 2020, 4:36 PM
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Trump's different than the politicans we're used to the way
Oct 23, 2020, 4:40 PM
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an on-fire golf cart is different than the cars we're used to. I mean, yeah, I guess we should grade on a curve to some degree. I still can't understand how it was a better option than a '93 Previa - which was no prize either - but here we are.
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I miss the days when Ronald Reagan & Tip O’Neil could battle
Oct 23, 2020, 7:06 PM
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from dawn to dusk, but somehow things got done to make the country better.
Reagan’s had exceptional skills as a leader both in building coalitions and in implementing detailed tactics to support strong strategic policies. Trump has none of those skills, basically a #### New York Yankee who tells everyone to #### off. Some of the Trump’s strategic policies are spot on _ however forming coalitions and creating / implementing detailed plans are horrendously lacking.
Republicans are much better off with new faces in 2024. Biden will drive 70 mph in the center lane —- heading west (I.e. left) but not enough that the future is comprised.
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Re: I miss the days when Ronald Reagan & Tip O’Neil could battle
Oct 23, 2020, 7:32 PM
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Reagan was suckered into the amnesty bill. Dems are never to be trusted. Tip (and Dems to this day) had no intention of ever securing the border. Illegal aliens are just viewed as undocumented Democrats. Dems just need to keep finding ways of having non-Americans vote because they’re not too keen on how actual Americans have voted.
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Overall a pretty rational take...
Oct 23, 2020, 7:24 PM
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I disagree whether there were other good candidates. I really like Marco Rubio and Cruz would have been my second choice. I can’t remember 3rd, but I know Rubio and Cruz were ahead of Trump as I voted Rubio in the primary.
I would have supported JEB earlier, but he started way too whiny from the beginning...and there was no way another Bush was getting in at that time.
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Re: Overall a pretty rational take...
Oct 23, 2020, 7:39 PM
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WHo else was in there? Kasich, Carley Farino, and??
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It’s too bad we didn’t have real Republicans running, like
Oct 23, 2020, 7:44 PM
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Mitt Romney, Paul Ryan, Michael Bloomberg (although I guess he did sort of run), or John McCain (peace be upon him).
I’m curious what a candidate Nikki Haley would be like.
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Lot o points [163012]
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I am tired of having an ####### and a bully for president
Oct 23, 2020, 7:37 PM
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there are no excuses for his behavior imo. None. Be a leader, not a ####.
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Do you remember the day of Obama's inauguration?
Oct 23, 2020, 7:46 PM
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Do you remember Mitch O'Connell saying their goal was to make him a one-term President? Did Obama melt down?
What is with the constant defense of Trump? Character and behavior is really the last thing I would step up to defend. You act like he was not a loose cannon and shady before 2016.
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Heisman Winner [119695]
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Re: Do you remember the day of Obama's inauguration?
Oct 24, 2020, 8:40 AM
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Did Pubs spy on his campaign?
Was a secret dossier paid for by the Pub opponent?
Did the Pubs start a relentless impeachment campaign?
Don’t be a hypocrite.....
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Re: Been taking in a number of posts/opinions lately re/ Trump
Oct 24, 2020, 12:04 PM
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Bengaline,
I disagree on some minor points but the gist of your observations are well-considered.
I guess I better mark this day on my calendar.
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I don't agree with the idea that the President
Oct 26, 2020, 6:25 AM
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has received particular "mistreatment" in executing his job. He's been "fought tooth and nail on everything [he] tried to do"? That's called having a legislative branch and an opposing party, and every President deals with this. Sure, he fights with news media more, but that doesn't (or shouldn't) influence his execution of his responsibilities.
"I don't like his behavior, but...", which you said twice, and many others have said many other times is a valid perspective on things. I personally feel a leader's behavior is of supreme importance. His "behavior" is just as much a critical policy as his view on SCOTUS justices or military strategy.
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