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Do Trumpists know how futile their fury at "Big Tech" is?
Jan 10, 2021, 4:41 PM
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Seriously...what can Trumpists demand of Big Tech that will ever be granted? That Twitter/Facebook/etc. allow people to spread lies and advocate for violence and uprisings against the United States of America on their platforms without consequence and that those platforms - which are owned by private companies - be able to do absolutely nothing about it?
Really? How are are the Trumpists ever going to make that happen? Legally? Good luck. By now the majority of Americans are growing well aware there's a massive problem getting out of control on social media; the needle's pointed the other way on that issue. Most of us absolutely do not want Civil War 2 and think it's time and past time to turn the temperature down not up. It's exactly what happens when a forum gets out of control due to trolling; the mods start zapping the worst offenders. They have to...or the whole forum blows up and the sane users head for the exits.
This time it's America itself that's been trolled on a mega scale, and social media is doing what it must to survive...and taking out the most egregious of the trash...which, amazingly, includes the standing President of the United States of America. (Think on that for a minute!) Trumpists may gnash their teeth and wail but they will never compel those platforms to capitulate to them. Ever. That option went off the table the second Trump's loyalists crashed through the doors of Congress wearing fuzzy goat hats and carrying rebel flags while screaming "death to traitors!" while the Congress was busy certifying the electors of a democratic election. Especially since the non-Trumpists now control all three chambers for at least the next two years...and it's going to be a lot longer than that unless the GOP rids itself of Trumpism.
Trumpists are free to start their own utterly unregulated platforms, of course. Parler is trying but it's so out of control Amazon wouldn't host it anymore. They might get back on the air in a week or so if they can find anybody to carry them, which is going to be troublesome because they're so radioactive right now. But even Parler was having to zap threads from Lin Wood calling for Mike Pence's execution before they went off the air...and they're well-aware of the legal liability they incur if they let their users organize violent crimes or - God help them! - an outright rebellion against the United States government. (That starts looking like being an accessory to sedition and treason.)
So...if the angry Trumpists won't regulate themselves, how exactly are they planning on forcing private companies to carry extremist messages advocating violence and sedition again? How does that even work?
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Too bad it’s not just “Trumpists“
Jan 10, 2021, 4:56 PM
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Re: Too bad it’s not just “Trumpists“
Jan 10, 2021, 5:00 PM
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Got no problem whatsoever with breaking up Big Tech.
Just asking, though: how do you force them to not moderate content?
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Re: Too bad it’s not just “Trumpists“
Jan 10, 2021, 5:04 PM
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Re: Too bad it’s not just “Trumpists“
Jan 10, 2021, 5:26 PM
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I agree with your last paragraph.
Parler wasn't an issue to Facebook, Twitter, Google and Apple until it started growing by leaps and bounds the last few weeks.
The "speech" on parler that people are against just didn't start in the last few weeks. It's been there for months/years.
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The repetitious use of a word narrows the audience to maybe
Jan 10, 2021, 4:57 PM
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three people on this board it describes. Not being one of those, I didn't read the post due to length and irrelevance.
Doesn't mean it wasn't a great post. I am sure it illuminated much heretofore uncovered truth, as your posts often do. Wish it had a broader intended audience.
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Re: Do Trumpists know how futile their fury at "Big Tech" is?
Jan 10, 2021, 5:11 PM
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Even trying to eliminate the Section 230 thing is counter-productive to what this latest attack on social media is about. That clause protects Big Tech from liability from the content providers (all you posters) to a large extent outside of outright libel, the current sedition posting and other underway - can't promote illegalities. Removing that protection would make them all even more stringent on content, with a congressional license to do so, due to having more liability for every word that goes over its service.
It's Idiocracy in overdrive.
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Re: Do Trumpists know how futile their fury at "Big Tech" is?
Jan 10, 2021, 5:18 PM
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I know. I've been just scratching my head over that for awhile myself, wondering what the endgame plan is.
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Re: Do Trumpists know how futile their fury at "Big Tech" is?
Jan 10, 2021, 5:38 PM
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Gotta scroll to the bottom of these articles
Jan 10, 2021, 9:23 PM
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"The Ruling False.
Repealing Section 230 would not promote greater free speech because social media companies and other internet platforms likely will restrict the content on their sites to avoid liability and the associated overwhelming legal fees.
Further, the clear and present danger rule and the imminent lawless action test exempt speech that promotes violence or illegal action from Constitutional protections. Social media companies do not limit First Amendment rights by flagging or removing posts that promote harm or violence to other users."
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It’s funny that you can read that entire article
Jan 10, 2021, 9:37 PM
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I'm not challenging Twitter'sor Facebook's, or Google' or...
Jan 10, 2021, 5:22 PM
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Youtube's right to dismiss anyone's participation on each of their platforms. What I am challenging in the right to dominate social media and squash all competition. It all happened with coordination.
Imo, it violates the spirit of freedom of speech established by our constitution. It also violates antitrust law but what I hate most is that Iran, China and very dangerous enemies of the US can freely speak propaganda without restriction.
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Re: I'm not challenging Twitter'sor Facebook's, or Google' or...
Jan 10, 2021, 5:26 PM
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They ban content and members from other countries as well. They can't just wing it. That said, they probably worry more about the country where they are located and they are citizens. They ban people and content all of the time all over the world though.
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Oculus Spirit [93668]
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You read my post again, this time without the emotion...
Jan 10, 2021, 7:03 PM
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which demands that CT88 is wrong no matter what he says. Try it one word at a time and allow thoughts to develop in your mind so you might grasp what I meant.
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Re: I'm not challenging Twitter'sor Facebook's, or Google' or...
Jan 10, 2021, 5:31 PM
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Oh, I completely agree these companies are absolute monsters and have to be reigned in. They certainly shouldn't be allowed to grow any larger and I actually fully support the anti-trust suits former AG William Barr had prepared. Sounds like time overdue, actually...and I really hope Biden doesn't let that suit drop. (Put me on record - I'll criticize Biden intensely if he does.)
But if people want to use Twitter, how do you stop them from using Twitter? Part of the allure of these platforms is that they are so large and you can talk to so many people.
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Re: Do Trumpists know how futile their fury at "Big Tech" is?
Jan 10, 2021, 5:35 PM
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On a tangent: Which is more dangerous to our democracy - a continual flow of unchecked disinformation or restrictions on social media platforms ??
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Re: Do Trumpists know how futile their fury at "Big Tech" is?
Jan 10, 2021, 5:39 PM
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Well, I'd say Goat-Boy Braveheart, Duck Dynasty, Frodo Baggins, and their merry band of insurgents answered that question pretty comprehensively the other day.
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It’s a big oversimplification to call this a Trump issue.***
Jan 10, 2021, 7:08 PM
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It's been SOP since I was a kid to blame all your problems..
Jan 10, 2021, 7:11 PM
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on your parents too.
Saying Trump is behind everything that's wrong is disrespecting those who hold similar beliefs as Trump yet loath his personality. We deplorables aren't going away.
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