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DJ vs Trevor vs Deshaun
Oct 16, 2022, 8:15 PM
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Stats through 7 games (in their 2nd year as the starter):
- Deshaun: 1,566 yds; 332 rushing; 18 TD; 7 INT
- Trevor: 1,534 yds; 187 rushing; 19 TD; 7 INT
- DJ: 1,665 yds; 337 rushing; 21 TD; 2 INT
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Re: DJ vs Trevor vs Deshaun
Oct 16, 2022, 8:15 PM
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Wow that’s a nice stat! Proud of DJ!!
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Re: DJ vs Trevor vs Deshaun
Oct 16, 2022, 8:46 PM
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Those are nice stats but they don't factor in the fact that Deshaun and Trevor were watching from the sideline early in the 3rd quarter during majority of those games. He is doing a better job of taking care of the ball though. Kudo's to DJ for his improvement.
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so...
Oct 16, 2022, 9:31 PM
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in less time they threw more INT's.
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Ouch…that was a gut punch…
Oct 16, 2022, 10:16 PM
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Re: so...
Oct 17, 2022, 4:33 PM
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So did you not read where I said he's doing a better job of taking care of the ball or do you just want to argue?
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Re: DJ vs Trevor vs Deshaun
Oct 16, 2022, 8:46 PM
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Wow! Congratulations to DJ!
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Re: DJ vs Trevor vs Deshaun
Oct 16, 2022, 8:51 PM
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DJ has gotten better but those guys were on a different stratosphere then DJ. He's a QB who will win alot of games though and he's been making good decisions so i eat crow for my criticism early on in the year.
Trevor and Deshuan rarely finished games unless it was an absolute must have them to win game. In fairness to DJ he can only do as well as playcalling and his teammates allow him. Trevor and Deshaun had some dudes they played with that let them run throw lesser competition quickly.
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Re: DJ vs Trevor vs Deshaun
Oct 16, 2022, 8:54 PM
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I disagree. Uiagalelei has just as much talent as the other two. He simply didn't catch on as fast as they did.
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Re: DJ vs Trevor vs Deshaun
Oct 16, 2022, 8:56 PM
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And his supporting act wasn’t quite as good either. Give DJ ETN and Sammy Watkins and look out
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Deshaun and Trevor would've loved Sammy Watkins too***
Oct 17, 2022, 3:32 AM
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Re: DJ vs Trevor vs Deshaun
Oct 17, 2022, 7:14 AM
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Don’t leave out T Higgins and Hunter Renfrow. To me those two were the most reliable receivers ever when it counted. Never did understand why Trevor didn’t throw to Hunter very much.
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Re: DJ vs Trevor vs Deshaun
Oct 16, 2022, 10:01 PM
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I can concede him having a stronger arm.
Touch, accuracy, leadership, pocket movement, ability to extend plays, and ability to process a defense are all to Watson and Lawerence.
DJ is doing his best and playing good ball, hard to ask for much more. Don't see him going down as a Clemson legend like the other 2.
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Re: DJ vs Trevor vs Deshaun
Oct 17, 2022, 12:01 AM
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Touch and accuracy is where DJ has really excelled this year, especially with the long ball.
He is hitting receivers in stride, they don’t slow down for a half a step and they don’t reach forward for a half step, they catch it in stride and keep running.
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Re: DJ vs Trevor vs Deshaun
Oct 25, 2022, 10:27 AM
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He doesn’t have a stronger arm than either. TL is the best QB I’ve ever seen at the HS level and one of the top college QBs and that includes a strong arm.
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Re: DJ vs Trevor vs Deshaun
Oct 17, 2022, 7:07 AM
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Wow definitely not true. Go and compare the WR core. I’ll wait. ?.
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Re: DJ vs Trevor vs Deshaun
Oct 16, 2022, 10:13 PM
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DJ has improved drastically. But the only things I see still needing improvement are:
1. Not seeing open receivers because he still sometimes locks onto one receiver .
2. Holds onto the ball too long/ pocket awareness/internal clock. Pick whichever one is suitable. Causing him to take unnecessary sacks or just getting back to the line of scrimmage.
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Tell 'em u7c coot, no one knows losing better than you
Oct 16, 2022, 10:37 PM
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fno
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Re: DJ vs Trevor vs Deshaun
Oct 16, 2022, 9:25 PM
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i'm very happy with the way DJ has played this year but stats like these have to be analyzed a little bit. DJ is a junior for one, those guys were sophomores. DJ is playing his best football of his career right now where some people may have argued those guys were going through the worst part of their Clemson careers. The biggest stat I'm worried about is 2022 DJ: 4-3 after 7 games, 2023 DJ: 7-0 after 7 games and way better TD/INT ratio
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Re: DJ vs Trevor vs Deshaun
Oct 17, 2022, 7:09 AM
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Those facts were conveniently ignored in this thread, in order to support the narrative. I wondered how long it would take before anyone would mention this obvious attempt at subterfuge; credit to you for revelation & exposure-
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Re: DJ vs Trevor vs Deshaun
Oct 25, 2022, 10:34 AM
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Some people will do whatever it takes to not give their own QB a fair shot. No matter what happens your just going to hate the kid. Congrats on eliminating Clemson from any consideration by his younger brother an outstanding DE/TE recruit in this class. Obviously you’ve never seen him play, but he’s really good and I wish him well wherever he goes.
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Re: DJ vs Trevor vs Deshaun
Oct 25, 2022, 10:30 AM
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Put down whatever type of crack pipe your smoking
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Re: DJ vs Trevor vs Deshaun
Oct 16, 2022, 9:33 PM
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Nice research. And Deshaun and Trevor most likely had superior receivers to throw to.
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Re: DJ vs Trevor vs Deshaun
Oct 16, 2022, 10:42 PM
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DeShawn and Trevor most definitely had better receivers to throw to
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Re: DJ vs Trevor vs Deshaun
Oct 19, 2022, 4:51 PM
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Agreed, and as the freshman are getting more experience, don't we see the passing game improving? Ladson didn't pan out and there just wasn't an over the top deep threat or a Renfrow-like go-to receiver last year
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Re: DJ vs Trevor vs Deshaun
Oct 16, 2022, 10:43 PM
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Cant argue with that.
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Re: DJ vs Trevor vs Deshaun
Oct 16, 2022, 11:57 PM
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Watson had 1950 yard through 7 game in 2016. Regardless I’m very proud of DJ and this team. Anyways GO TIGERS!!!
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To be fair, Trevor tore his labrum in the 2nd game of his
Oct 17, 2022, 2:38 AM
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2nd year and played for the next two years without getting it repaired
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And Deshaun opened at Auburn and played #3 Louisville***
Oct 17, 2022, 4:01 AM
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Re: DJ vs Trevor vs Deshaun
Oct 17, 2022, 6:08 AM
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The ultimate test is which one do you want on your college football team if you have a choice? DJ would be my third choice and I wouldn't even want him then. It's not even close for me. He has improved drasticall;y in several areas but some things just aren't going to improve. I think he would be much better with a real offensive play caller sending in the signs.
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nobody in their right mind would choose otherwise...
Oct 17, 2022, 7:17 AM
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this is spin by manipulation of stats> tweaking the data points-
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Re: DJ vs Trevor vs Deshaun
Oct 17, 2022, 7:05 AM
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While I get what you did with the second year starter thing. I think it’s only fair to compare the third season regardless of starter status. Because DJs first year he still was able to practice against college level talent and learn the play book and even got to be the starter in two games. Still have a TU. Good post.
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Let me know how Many Playoff or NC games DJ plays in***
Oct 17, 2022, 7:20 AM
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Re: DJ vs Trevor vs Deshaun
Oct 17, 2022, 8:31 AM
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Trevor had Tee Higgins, Justyn Ross, Amari Rodgers, and Travis Etienne.
Deshaun and DJ did more with less.
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Good Lord, the ONLY skill position Trevor had better than
Oct 17, 2022, 1:09 PM
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Deshaun was RB...I would take Mike Williams,Deon,Artavis, Ray Ray, Hunter and Jordan over Trevor's group
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Re: Good Lord, the ONLY skill position Trevor had better than
Oct 17, 2022, 3:29 PM
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Deshaun didn't have Mike his 2nd year.
Artavis was a sophomore, Renfrow was a rsFR, Deon and Ray Ray were true freshmen.
Tee is better than all of them. Ross was healthy and looked like a future 1st round pick. Amari was dangerous in the slot, even coming off an ACL injury. Trevor also had Overton, Powell, and Ngata.
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Re: Good Lord, the ONLY skill position Trevor had better than
Oct 17, 2022, 3:55 PM
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This comparison would have seemed completely absurd prior to the season and while it still seems kind of absurd the fact we can have this discussion at all is a testament to DJs improvement this season.
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Re: DJ vs Trevor vs Deshaun
Oct 17, 2022, 8:32 AM
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Great stats, I love em
To be fair though totals don't always tell the whole story. As someone pointed out we were blowing people out frequently in 15 and 19 and those boys sat a lot late in games. You need to combine the totals with what % each had of the team total through 7 games.
As you can see DJ has a good bit higher % of the teams attempts, completions, and yards.
DW
COMP 88%
ATT 86%
YDS 89%
TDS 100%
INT 90%
TL
COMP 83%
ATT 82%
YDS 85%
TDS 88%
INT 90%
DJ
COMP 94%
ATT 93%
YDS 96%
TDS 94%
INT 100%
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Is this not comparing Sophomores to a Junior?***
Oct 17, 2022, 9:06 AM
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yes and DWs first year was only 5 games and he went
Oct 17, 2022, 2:11 PM
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93/137 for 1466 yards. DJ in his "non-starting" first year went 78/117 for 914 yards which isn't a whole lot less time.
That said, I am on the DJ train and hope he outshines both DW and TL!
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Re: DJ vs Trevor vs Deshaun
Oct 17, 2022, 1:24 PM
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Not fair. Both of those guys were starters as freshmen. This is DJs third year in the system. Also playing 4 quarters against inferior competition.
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Re: DJ vs Trevor vs Deshaun
Oct 17, 2022, 2:27 PM
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I would compare his stats to Deshaun. Deshaun played in 8 games as a freshman attempting 137 passes. DJ in 2020 played in 9 games attempting 117 passes.
Deshaun's Junior year through 7 games:
Passing: 1950 yards, TD: 20, Int: 8. 3 of the 7 games Clemson played backup qb's, with sc state being 5 qb's.
DJ's freshman year he had 117 attempts.
DJ's Junior year to date:
Passing: 1665, TD 17, INT 2. 3 of the 7 games Clemson has played backup qb's have entered the game.
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I would take Deshaun if I needed to win 1 game, Trevor for
Oct 17, 2022, 2:01 PM
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the entire season and DJ third...everytime
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Re: DJ vs Trevor vs Deshaun
Oct 17, 2022, 2:17 PM
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My only comment is that we've been blessed when it has come to QBs. So proud of all of them.
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Re: DJ vs Trevor vs Deshaun
Oct 19, 2022, 4:56 PM
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Now show us how many quarters each played through those 7 games.
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Re: DJ vs Trevor vs Deshaun
Oct 21, 2022, 2:33 AM
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Sorry I didn’t realize that DJ, put up those type of numbers.
I really think because he’s not as flashy as the other two.
But much more productive. The only stat, that’s missing
is a National Championship.
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Been seeing this everywhere
Oct 21, 2022, 7:35 AM
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Glad for dj. Best stat is the 2 picks. Others i don’t think are really apples to apples . . . Have to include snap count. Other two dudes missed a lot of fourth quarters
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Re: DJ vs Trevor vs Deshaun
Oct 21, 2022, 9:12 AM
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Deshaun threw 20 more passes his freshman year than DJ did his. If you're going to count 2015 as Deshaun's first year starting you need to count 2020 as DJ's. Regardless of any of these comparisons, DJ is finally balling out. If he had played like this last year we make the playoffs. Kudos to him for the light finally coming on. He's throwing with touch, he's moving well in the pocket to avoid pressure, he's not panicking, he's seeing open receivers, he's even throwing guys open on occasion. The receivers and Oline aren't markedly better than last year but DJ is.
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Re: DJ vs Trevor vs Deshaun
Oct 25, 2022, 11:48 AM
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The OL is insanely better though. This OL has played very well they're just the usual scapegoat for fans that don't really understand OL play.
People honestly expect the OL to hold up for 6 seconds a play, for all 5 guys to never lose a snap, and for 5 guys to block 7 guys.
Honestly the OL critic has me feeling like some feel about DJ, they are unjustly faulted for situations out of their control.
Sometimes the defense is in the right play at the right time.
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