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The myth of KB being a “better runner” than Deshaun Watson
Jul 6, 2018, 10:19 AM
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Last year there was a special kind of amnesia i didn’t quite understand. People raves about KB’s running ability yet the number don’t say he was better than DW:
In 2016 DWs statline was: 165 att., 629 yards, 9 TDs.
In 2017, KBs statline was: 192 att., 665 yards, 11 TDs.
Per carry KB averaged less than DW but had a few more TDs. Nothing here suggests KB was a superior runner. BUT, let’s go back another year for DW. In 2015 he had over 1100 yards and 12 TDs.
So the idea KB is a better runner is a myth. I’d even say he’s an inferior runner to DW. For you KB supporters (which we all should be simply because he wears the Paw), the facts are our offense was not explosive from the QB position. Personally I don’t care who plays QB, but if it’s KB he’s got to get better throwing AND running the football.
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Re: The myth of KB being a “better runner” than Deshaun Watson
Jul 6, 2018, 10:24 AM
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Defenses played Kelly to Run more than Throw. Opposite for Watson, so it’s hard to look at the stats for a true evaluation. Just my thoughts.
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That is very true
Jul 6, 2018, 10:46 AM
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Because no one respected KB's ability to pass the ball so they loaded the box to stuff his run game. DW was superior in all aspects of the game. KB is JT Barrett 2.0...serviceable on a good team, and the great players around him make him look better than he actually is.
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Re: The myth of KB being a “better runner” than Deshaun Watson
Jul 6, 2018, 10:29 AM
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I think KB has the ability to do well in track. Watson was a way better athlete with vision and anticipation. The way Magic Johnson and Lebron pass the ball, is the way Deshaun ran, He sees the angles and adjusts. KB just runs and sees nothing. He is fast and strong. I will take Deshaun any day in the running department. He is just a better player on every level, but he is one of the best in the world. Hard for anyone to be that good.
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Watson was a more effective runner
Jul 6, 2018, 10:34 AM
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Part of that may have been his arm opening up more room for him to use his legs, but he was also just more instinctual than Bryant. Deshaun had incredible pocket presence and rarely took sacks too.
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Re: Watson was a more effective runner
Jul 6, 2018, 11:08 AM
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How come KB running game did not open up his passing game!?
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it Is ALL
Jul 6, 2018, 12:04 PM
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About blocking and the Tigers last season were mediocre at best! Awful in that last game. On the bright side, they have to be better this year. No qb is going to put up huge numbers when is on the run constantly. KB will not and neither will TL. I bet that changes beginning with the first practice.
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In terms of our recent OLs
Jul 6, 2018, 12:42 PM
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2015 > 2017 > 2016.
IMO our title team had the worst OL and I'm not sure it's even close. We went from 4.9 YPC as a team in 2015 to 4.3 in 2017 and Gallman dropped from 5.4 to 4.9. He was constantly getting hit near the LOS too.
Our OL was actually pretty good last year, particularly in the running game. They got dominated by Bama, but most OLs get dominated by Bama. Our OL got dominated by Bama in the 2016 title game too but we still won. We allowed a lot more sacks in 2017 than 2015 or 2016, but a lot of that is Bryant vs Watson. Deshaun was a magician in the pocket and almost never took sacks regardless of how much heat he taking. Bryant has a long ways to go in that department.
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Re: In terms of our recent OLs
Jul 6, 2018, 11:11 PM
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We have a great Center now but losing Jay from the year before hurt imo. He was the leader of our line.
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Re: it Is ALL
Jul 6, 2018, 12:47 PM
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Then you don't remember Tajh Boyd and the mediocre line play we used to get.
Sammy Watkins had to get open within 3 steps cause that's all the time Tajh had.
Nuk Hopkins had such hands and determination that Tajh threw the ball his way long before Nuk was clear, but he could count on Nuk to go get it. Neither situation is preferable to a line that does its job, but a good line is one that works together.
In the Bama game, for instance, the Bama line worked together to slow and stop our great Dline. On most plays Hurts faced pressure but it wasn't coordinated, so it scarcely bothered him. Sometimes the Coots managed to do that for Bentley, until he would get dumb and try to escape a collapsing pocket. But they gave him time to throw, if he only could tell what the coverage was.
Our O L v Alabama was overwhelmed much the same way. Payne coming over the nose caused poor snaps from Falcinelli all night long. Poor snaps caused Kelly to take his eyes off the play--so he couldn't read instantly which of the 9 guys in the box had dropped into coverage where, and prevented teaming up with his WRs on what should have been easy "hot reads". So yes, I'm agreeing with you we weren't prepared, but QBs can take many actions to neutralize a pass rush without us having to give him " victim " status.
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Those stats don't tell the story re Running QBs
Jul 6, 2018, 12:14 PM
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Bryant is way better on short yardage and goalline situations than DW4 was. Short Yardage and Goalline really hampered us in 2016, especially early in the year. Both players are good runners though, i'd leave it at that.
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Re: The myth of KB being a “better runner” than Deshaun Watson
Jul 6, 2018, 12:41 PM
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They are just a different style of runners. They are both good at how they run the ball. DW4s vision is second to none and he was better at the read option for sure. KB2 is strong and faster. Hard to judge who is better at running when one is the better passer and they had many different teammates on the O.
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Agree 100%. In addition, Watson was doubly dangerous
Jul 6, 2018, 12:46 PM
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because he was STILL looking to throw, and often did, even after he took off running. Most QBs stop looking downfield once they pull the ball down. Russell Wilson is another one who makes a great living throwing off the scramble.
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I would add that KB's running of the read option also
Jul 6, 2018, 1:49 PM
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limited both his own and the RBs rushing stats as his reads looked to be the read he had pre-snap or not really a read at all.
This was a part of the running game that DW was masterful at that added to his own and the RBs rushing yards.
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Re: I would add that KB's running of the read option also
Jul 8, 2018, 9:56 AM
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limited both his own and the RBs rushing stats as his reads looked to be the read he had pre-snap or not really a read at all.
This was a part of the running game that DW was masterful at that added to his own and the RBs rushing yards.
^ This was a major contribution to causing 2nd/3rd and long situations last year. Too many times KB kept it and ran right into a wall.
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The greatest thing about DW's running was not his legs
Jul 6, 2018, 2:19 PM
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but his mind.
He almost always new when to run...and when not to.
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Deshaun Watson is FAR superior in ALL aspects...
Jul 6, 2018, 8:06 PM
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of the game. They aren’t comparable in any respect. Bryant is good guy and I REALLY wanted him to be a great quarterback. But he never beat out Nick Schuessler. He’s not the best quarterback on the roster this year. And honestly I don’t think he was the best quarterback on the roster in 2017. I’m sure a lot of people disagree with that, and it really doesn’t matter now. What matters is can Kelly B beat a CFP team? Not without a vertical passing threat.
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Re: Deshaun Watson is FAR superior in ALL aspects...
Jul 8, 2018, 3:04 AM
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Not all aspects, Bryant is a better short yardage runner, and protects the ball better... You need to put things into context, this was KB's first year starting, and his Wr corps wasnt even close to Watsons. Not to mention the coaching staff were much more conservative with KB... Watson also struggled on the deep ball before the NFL... Not only did Deshaun have experience, but he had a better running game, WR corps, Oline and TE....
QB's usually improve noticeably from their 1st to 2nd year...
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KB's not a freshman...or a soph...or a junior
Jul 8, 2018, 7:25 AM
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So, the improve year 1 vs 2 is no longer an argument. He wasn't truly 2nd string when DW4 was here, so, how good was he really?
This ISN'T KB-bashing, but for crying out loud, just because he was given the keys to the car doesn't mean he's a top-shelf driver. There's no need to shout about his attributes, when those very attributes required the team to entirely change it's offensive identity. Regardless, reaching the CFP was a delightful surprise last year and KB did a good job 'managing' things. But, in some respects, he made the offense worse, too.
What was accomplished in '17 is irrelevant for '18. If he's still handed the keys, so be it...that's the staff's call. Given the goals this program now has...and the expectations that run in tandem with those goals, it will be quite a disappointment, though. Still, let's see what August brings...
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