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Okay, if Biden and Trump do an Old Guy rematch...
Apr 19, 2022, 10:46 AM
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...does that slam 2024 wide open for the right third-party candidate?
One thing that's become obvious, watching Zelenskyy over the last couple months, is how much the perception seems to have settled around the world that "this is what actual leadership looks like"...just as it's become obvious we haven't exactly had much of that for awhile now.
The last guy I really remember showing any kind of real leadership was George W. Bush after the Twin Towers came down in 2001. He stood defiantly at the base of the tower, strolled like a pretty good facimile of Ronald Reagan the Cowboy out into the open where anybody could have taken a potshot at him - with the fire chief of New York, who clearly felt like a duck in a shooting gallery himself, sh!tting bricks beside him because you could tell at some point the recognition dawned he was there as Dubya's meat shield - and shook his fist at Al Qaeda and pledged to hunt Bin Laden down, as long as it took.
(Of course, Dubya then took a wrong turn somewhere along the way and wound up in Iraq, looking for WMD's that didn't exist, but at least the dude was leading, for a minute anyhow, at last until Donald Rumsfeld got in his ear like Grima Wormtongue and Dubya seemingly Got The Confuse.)
But we haven't seen actual leadership in quite some time...even as the parties seem to be solidifying behind candidates that increasingly do not remotely seem to be talking to ordinary Americans in the middle.
Could 2024 be the year we finally see this two-party monstrosity finally break as people tire of the endless bitter partisanship? It could be somebody like Adam Kinzinger, it could be somebody we haven't even seen yet, but I really do think the right third-party guy has a fairly massive center lane to drive right down, especially if we see a Joe/Donald rematch and America goes: "bleh to that".
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Potentially, but I have my doubts.
Apr 19, 2022, 10:53 AM
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However, Justin Amash will be the LP's nominee, so this really is the best position a third-party has ever been in. Republicans pulling out of the CPD debates also presents an interesting variable, though not sure if it makes it better or worse. But given the CPD's intentional blocking of 3P candidates, it's hard to see how it makes it worse.
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I think it's more likely however that neither Trump nor
Apr 19, 2022, 10:54 AM
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Biden makes it through the primary. I wouldn't even put money that both make it to 2024 in any condition to run. I honestly don't see any scenario in which Biden runs again, making 2024 an open contest again.
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Re: Potentially, but I have my doubts.
Apr 19, 2022, 10:58 AM
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That's an interesting thought.
I like Amash a lot. I'd vote for him in a hot second ahead of anybody else I've seen.
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Barr was good, but had his flaws. Johnson could have been
Apr 19, 2022, 11:01 AM
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good, but didn't have any fight in him. Amash is remarkable on all fronts. Respected, principled, and hungry. The biggest thing that will hold him back is the party itself.
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Re: Barr was good, but had his flaws. Johnson could have been
Apr 19, 2022, 11:11 AM
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Again, though, I think the right third-party candidate is going to find both and audience and financial backing they haven't seen before. Corporate America, by definition, cannot really support divisive Trumpism because division is bad for both business and staffing - they have to be inclusive because their workforces are so variegenated - but neither is Corporate America really comfortable with the increasingly leftward tilt of the Dems.
Kinzinger doesn't even have a district to run in 2022 but his war chest is starting to overflow, and Liz Cheney is raking in the Corporate Megabucks. We've got a laundry list of other conservatives who aren't comfortable with Trumpism but clearly would be uncomfortable even under the ever-more-crowded Dem Big Tent, along with moderates from either side like Sinema, Manchin, Bill Cassidy, Mitt Romney, Susan Collins, Lisa Murkowski, and probably 100+ reps who really don't seem comfie on either side either. Plus there's a host of politically homeless RINO's who are out of office at the moment like Paul Ryan and Mark Sanford who still have a lot of name recognition and juice and would be big-time candidates.
The Libertarians - for the most part socially liberal but fiscally conservative and usually armed to the teeth - seemingly have an appealing lane to run in at the moment. I could [definitely see their numbers explode in the near future.
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There are a good bit of very interesting 3P candidates.
Apr 19, 2022, 1:52 PM
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Him, Amash, Yang...likely some others. The biggest challenge is going to be logistical, especially if Amash has the LP locked up. Ballot access is no joke, and while Yang has been floating his Forward Party, right now it is just a PAC and not an actual political entity. With less than two years out, I don't see him getting his ducks in a row to get anywhere close to 50-state ballot access. Kinzinger would have the same issue.
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Desantis seems pretty busy proving
Apr 19, 2022, 11:18 AM
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that he is the biggest, toughest, and meanest of all the candidates. Whoever shores up the evangelicals tends to get the nod, and it seems that banning books, attacking CRT, and protecting our children from public educators, who are comprised almost entirely of sexual predators, resonates well with them.
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Re: Desantis seems pretty busy proving
Apr 19, 2022, 11:22 AM
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Lmao, the pedo chimes in.
Look, if you want k- 3rd graders to learn about sexual and gender identity from their crazy teachers, then that is your right.... it just makes you a creep.
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Re: Desantis seems pretty busy proving
Apr 19, 2022, 11:28 AM
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The reality is that the kids have very little to fear from their teachers. It’s their ministers, deacons, priests, youth leaders, and uncles they need to avoid being alone with.
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Re: Desantis seems pretty busy proving
Apr 19, 2022, 11:31 AM
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foster parents then family members sexually abuse the most children as a percentage, and most go unreported for obvious reasons.
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Re: Desantis seems pretty busy proving
Apr 19, 2022, 11:36 AM
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Balm knows a lot about the unreported.
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Re: Desantis seems pretty busy proving
Apr 19, 2022, 11:54 AM
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I am not sure how you guys can stoop any lower, but you will figure out a way I am sure.
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I know this is a message board where the standard for
Apr 19, 2022, 1:53 PM
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intellect is pretty low, but buddy, you are scraping paint on the bottom of the barrel.
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Can we issue a basic IQ test to let people post in here?
Apr 19, 2022, 12:05 PM
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anything over 100 is fine.
Crump®
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JFC, please no
Apr 19, 2022, 11:42 AM
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Please God nooooooo.gif
I would hope that the Democrats and GOP are not THAT stupid AGAIN
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No.
Apr 19, 2022, 11:56 AM
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I'm with you 100%, but we aren't there yet. Remember this?: https://www.tigernet.com/clemson-forum/message/politically-i-think-we-are-missing-the-boat-and-by-we-i-30597740#30597740
As long as we have a 24/7 infotainment news industry that exists only to divide along partisan lines, and people who don't realize that almost all news outlets have chosen a "side" and are part of the problem, then getting people to wake up is going to be tough. I can only hope we do in time, before we choose more leaders that will only divide us further, but I don't see it happening this cycle, unless a major candidate really starts banging that drum.
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Hitting the nail on the head here.
Apr 19, 2022, 1:57 PM
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No matter absolutely loathsome the Big Two candidates are, the country is so hyper-polarized that even even the worst of the worst will be seen as some sort of existential, do/die choice.
Libertarians could clone Barry Goldwater and Ronald Reagan and run them against Trump, and GOP would say "We can't afford to gamble on a third party when the stakes are this high." Same with Democrats.
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Re: Okay, if Biden and Trump do an Old Guy rematch...
Apr 19, 2022, 11:56 AM
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Absolutely yes. I think a lot of folks are hungry for competent and restrained leadership. Doubt we get it though.
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