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DBs looking for the football
Sep 28, 2022, 12:56 PM
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If you are Coaching DBs when do you tell them to look for the football? You see guys that never turn. They will face guard and sometimes get PId and other times not. I see this across college football. Do they figure you give the big play more often if you look and lose the coverage?
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Re: DBs looking for the football
Sep 28, 2022, 1:31 PM
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I don’t know a ton about football but I’ve watched enough to know that if we’d turn around a few times to see the ball, we might have a few picks.
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Re: DBs looking for the football
Sep 28, 2022, 1:46 PM
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They have to be step for step with the receiver and then see an indicator from the receiver to know when to turn. If not, (due to most DBs losing a step with the turn), they would get burned. It's a fine line but one that our DBs have to learn quick. They don't turn often enough when they are step for step. There were plenty last week where they were already a step behind but there were others that should have gotten the turn and two that would have been picks with a turn.
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Re: DBs looking for the football
Sep 28, 2022, 2:08 PM
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Usually you can see if a receivers head/eyes change elevation as if the ball left the qbs hand then it’s all about timing, know how far you are from the line of scrimmage and get your head turn before it arrives.. if a receiver starts slowing down turn your head and run into them or pick off the underthrown ball, we will always be called running a receiver over when we don’t even attempt to find the ball
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This Exactly!
Sep 28, 2022, 6:41 PM
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FamilyofOrange This is pretty much spot on.
The biggest Cardinal-Sin for a DB is to just get burned completely, especially for a TD. And as you expressed, in your comments. When you turn your head on a WR that's going full speed you typically lose a little speed.
It's knowing the ball is coming, maintaining speed up until right when the WR raises their hands or turns to locate the football. Much, Much easier said than done.
You don't want to be on the cover of "Toast Times" as a DB. So, DPI or being on the cover of Toast Times; the majority will take the DPI.
If a DB is (in phase) it's much easier to turn their head. A perfect pass and execution by a QB and WR are pretty much indefensible. All you can do is limit the damage. Because the offense knows where they are going and the defense has to react - which naturally makes the defense a step slower!
I'm sure Coach Reed took them through a plethora of drills where they had to be in phase and then turn and locate the football.
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Re: DBs looking for the football
Sep 28, 2022, 5:39 PM
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Agaainst WF, our CBs reminded me of OJ looking for Nicole's killer - BUT - I expect there has been a lot of head-turning practice so far this week and I think we won't see those guys looking like a dog chasing a car again....
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Turn and chase defense.
Sep 28, 2022, 6:52 PM
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No way can I explain my frustration with the technique taught by coaches to DBs in man-to-man coverage. I've been complaining about it for at least 30 years.
I call it turn-and-chase.
The DB has his back to the QB. He is taught when the receiver looks for the ball you flip your hips, turn your head and find the ball.
If you are Deion Sanders or some other future hall of famer that might be doable. But, for an average or even good corner against an average or good WR and QB it is almost impossible.
Dabo said that the corners are coached to "be on top" of the receiver in man coverage. Either I don't understand what "on top" means, or the coaches are doing a horrible job coaching the players to do that or the players don't do what they are taught.
Note: This is not a rant against Clemson coaches. Virtually every team does it.
Watch Saturday, any game, and see how often a WR is running deep and the defender is running with his back to the QB. They are, in effect, chasing the receiver.
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Re: DBs looking for the football
Sep 28, 2022, 6:58 PM
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bretfsu® You're right! I think they teach it right; but "players panic at the moment of truth"! They don't trust their technique and go with "instinct" over what they have been trained to do!
My two 0.002.
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Re: Turn and chase defense.
Sep 28, 2022, 8:01 PM
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I think they presume that a corner being in step with a WR is a better defender than a guy turning and losing another step. Maybe the QB hesitates and gets sacked. Maybe the WR can't see or gets nerves. Playing presumed percentages.
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Re: Turn and chase defense.
Sep 28, 2022, 8:14 PM
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I think they presume that a corner being in step with a WR is a better defender than a guy turning and losing another step. Maybe the QB hesitates and gets sacked. Maybe the WR can't see or gets nerves. Playing presumed percentages.
What's bad about what you are saying though is; "the offensive player probably gets DPI or holding called if they slow down - especially if they go back for the ball"! If the QB just sees that corner running he may go; "he's covered" or they may go, "we either get a completion or a p.i. call because the defender isn't looking he's just in step"!
The biggest thing there being that in today's football: "everybody loves offense"! Refs probably only call offensive P.I. 15% of the time. They call P>I on ticky-tack stuff; that used to be good coverage.
But, to your point, I'd much rather they be there over giving the WR a couple of feet ahead of them. So, I get what you're saying.
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Re: Turn and chase defense.
Sep 28, 2022, 9:08 PM
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The only way you are not running with your back to QB on a deep go route is to play zone instead of man. If you have young inexperienced DBs zone is the best way to go. Also with the LBs and DL that Clemson has they should be able to run a nickel or even dime D against most teams.
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Re: DBs looking for the football
Sep 28, 2022, 8:25 PM
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The biggest indicators are hips turnings, hands starting to raise, and eyes/head focusing.
I played free safety and a little corner in HS. And ball tracking indicators are taught from a pretty young age.
Last week was very frustrating for me to watch. Dabo, I still have eligibility lol
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Re: DBs looking for the football
Sep 28, 2022, 8:39 PM
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LOL!
CU20GRAD How many plays can we expect out of you then?
J/K - The NCAA says you have to be in shells first, LOL!
If you ever played basketball; it's a similar thing if you are going to play effective man-to-man D. You are looking at their waste as you move your feet and stay in front of them - looking for changes in speed or hips as you occasionally peep at the ball(not constant).
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