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Dabo's "Stay with starting QB no matter what" policy.
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Dabo's "Stay with starting QB no matter what" policy.


Dec 31, 2021, 11:19 AM

First off...Iv'e been a Clemson Tiger fan since I was knee high to a grasshopper. I don't have a problem with DJ or Dabo. My question is what is the use of backups, (QB's ect..) If a player is playing poorly, why stick with him 'till the bitter end, if he's not worried about being pulled for a backup? Dabo's been fortunate with past QB's. It may come back to bite him/team/fans. Go CLEMSON FIGHTING TIGERS!!!

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Dec 31, 2021, 11:27 AM

Clemson doesn't have anybody better to replace the QB with right now. Dabo has shown he'll replace the QB. Look at Kelly->Trevor and Cole->Deshawn.

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Dec 31, 2021, 11:39 AM

Yes, in the past. Not this year.

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Nobody is even close to DJ. There is a clear


Dec 31, 2021, 11:49 AM

difference b/n DJ and anyone else on the depth chart.

TP was still recovering from an achilles tear early in fall camp and isn't near the passer, nor has any significant experience. Then, he was injured late in the season and couldn't throw.

After TP it would have been Hunter Helms and Will Taylor. Will Taylor was hurt the 3rd or 4th game of the season and Hunter Helms doesn't have a lot of experience either.

Playing DJ and knowing experience would make him better vs playing someone else and hoping we'd catch lightning in a bottle is an easy decision.

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So suddenly it’s a “policy”? What is with you guys?


Dec 31, 2021, 11:57 AM [ in reply to Re: Dabo's "Stay with starting QB no matter what" policy. ]

Trying to create an issue where there obviously isn’t one.

Dabo played TP. He’s not better than DJ. He doesn’t give us a better chance to win plus he was injured. Dabo knows these players better than you do. He knows who gives us the best chance to win and that’s who he played.

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Dec 31, 2021, 1:50 PM [ in reply to Re: Dabo's "Stay with starting QB no matter what" policy. ]

Didn't u read what he said? There were NO better options behind DJ this year. Our proverbial QB eggs were all in one basket this year. Will be different next year I imagine, if Klubnik picks it up quickly and had a good spring and summer.

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Dec 31, 2021, 1:04 PM [ in reply to Re: Dabo's "Stay with starting QB no matter what" policy. ]

I don't buy that at all. DJ is literally the worst QB in school history, despite having 5 Stars all around him and playing at the time the ACC is maybe the weakest its ever been. I don't believe the others could be worse, and Puma looked better this year the few times he got a chance. And if they are worse, then who do we point the finger at for recruiting/failing to develop QBs so that all of ours are historically bad? Looks to me like Dabo and Streeter. Better give Streeter another promotion.

Dabo stuck with Kelly Bryant for far, far longer than he should have. I was shot down for suggesting that Bryant was incapable of beating an elite team. In 2017, we had Bryant, Zerrick, Chase, and Hunter Johnson. There is 0 excuse for all four failing to develop the way they did, especially since Zerrick and Chase did pretty well once they got out from under Streeter and how good Johnson was expected to be.

You also are mistaken about Cole and Deshaun (not Deshawn). You seem to be misremembering things. Cole Stoudt was never anyone's choice as a starter. Deshaun was expected to become an immediate starter, but messed up his collar bone and so missed all of Spring Practice and the Spring Game and wasn't familiar with the playbook. With that injury, we didn't have a clear successor to Tajh, but the starting job was Chad Kelly's. He was the starter for the Spring game, and was thought to be the bridge between Tajh and Deshaun. However, he of course got into a ton of trouble and was benched during the Spring game by Morris and Scott, and kicked off the team a couple days later. With that, our only QBs able to play early that season were Cole, Nick Schuessler, and David Olson. Cole was the starter in 2014 by default, but even before the season began, Morris, who had full control of that offense, suggested that Deshaun would become the starter at some point and wouldn't look back, and Dabo said Cole did not have job security and would have to earn the position each and every week. Cole might have been the starter in name, but everyone knew he was just keeping the seat warm for Deshaun.

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DJ is literally the worst QB in school history


Dec 31, 2021, 1:42 PM



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Dec 31, 2021, 2:52 PM [ in reply to Re: Dabo's "Stay with starting QB no matter what" policy. ]

So I can’t comment on your entire post but I want to comment on the not developing QBs and KB staying starter to too long.

A. KB won the A&M game for us where TL looked like a freshman outside of his opening drive where Tee did the majority of the work on that catch and run. Dabo started Trever exactly when it was obvious he had won it outright.

B. Saying Streeter screwed up the development of all those QBs.

-HJ has sucked since he left us. Was not a 5* and wasn’t even a 3*. Sometimes recruiting services miss.
-Chase Brice looked like a pile of dog doodoo last year with duke. He looked a lot better playing for us then for duke. He’s looking a lot better against lower level group of 5 competition and App St has better talent around him than Duke for sure. But saying he wasn’t developed under Streeter is a joke.
-Cooper has looked decent at an FCS program but it’s FCS. He’s not an NFL QB.
-KB is and was better than all those QBs. Period. What he lacked in passing he made up with his mobility which HJ and CB had very little of. Cooper may have been able to over take Bryant later on but Bryant had the experience.

Fact is none of these QBs have NFL potential. Streeter actually did a good job of developing them into College QBs. Can’t help they decide to transfer. I actually give Streeter credit for making KB into what he was considering he isn’t a naturally gifted passer.

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I agree, none of them had NFL potential.


Jan 1, 2022, 7:00 PM

But Dabo thought most of them did.

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Which of those QBs did Dabo say had NFL potential?***


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Re: I agree, none of them had NFL potential.


Jan 2, 2022, 8:46 PM [ in reply to I agree, none of them had NFL potential. ]

And so did ALL of the recruiting services.

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Jan 2, 2022, 12:32 PM [ in reply to Re: Dabo's "Stay with starting QB no matter what" policy. ]

Worst QB in Clemson history?!? Will Proctor has something to say…

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Jan 2, 2022, 8:58 PM

Willy Korn says hold my beer.

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I'll just go with worse than DJ


Jan 2, 2022, 8:59 PM [ in reply to Re: Dabo's "Stay with starting QB no matter what" policy. ]

Mark Fellers, Ken Pengitore, Willie Jordan, Randy Anderson, Richard Moncrief, Patrick Sapp, Billy Luckie, Nick Schuessler, and yes, Brandon Streeter

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Dec 31, 2021, 2:18 PM [ in reply to Re: Dabo's "Stay with starting QB no matter what" policy. ]

owensdj said:

Clemson doesn't have anybody better to replace the QB with right now. Dabo has shown he'll replace the QB. Look at Kelly->Trevor and Cole->Deshawn.



Usuck didn't either...but they used a RB as QB and that seemed to work out all right imo. DJ may be a great guy, but why not move him into another position like Dline? I'm not sure anyone could be slower and pass worse....so what do we have to lose.

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What


Dec 31, 2021, 11:27 AM

The only one I disagreed with was Kelly Bryant

You wanted TP in the game ? Dude isn’t even a good game manager

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Are you trying to post something stupid or is this something that comes naturally?***


Dec 31, 2021, 11:30 AM



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Dec 31, 2021, 11:31 AM

??

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Dec 31, 2021, 11:41 AM [ in reply to Are you trying to post something stupid or is this something that comes naturally?*** ]

Well played!

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It's called being the HC Policy and


Dec 31, 2021, 11:36 AM

doesn't include idiots on the internet.

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Dec 31, 2021, 11:40 AM

May I ask what your last handle was on TNet before you were banned?

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Dec 31, 2021, 11:48 AM

TP deserved more playing time this year unless his foot injury kept him out of the game. He certainly would not have been worse than DJ’ imo

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Re: Dabo's "Stay with starting QB no matter what" policy.


Dec 31, 2021, 1:38 PM

Your opinion like mine isn’t worth much unless you are a coot

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Dec 31, 2021, 11:57 AM

The answer to your question is we had no viable backup this year and Dabo's slogan of we can win with any of our QB's was garbage and every team we played knew it. It will be even worse next year if DJ leaves.

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Dec 31, 2021, 12:03 PM

Because TP7 could barely complete a forward pass. DJ looks like Trevor compared to him. If Dabo had someone on the bench that could play, DJ would have been sat many games ago.

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Dec 31, 2021, 12:13 PM

speaks to the lack of depth at QB - no excuse for that

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Don't think that's a Dabo policy


Dec 31, 2021, 12:18 PM

He made the call to replace Kelly Bryant who had just taken the Tigers to the College Football playoffs the year prior!

So, A. that's not a policy he has.

B. the depth this year and lack of quality "healthy" backup caused changes "not to be made"!

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Re: Dabo's "Stay with starting QB no matter what" policy.


Dec 31, 2021, 12:18 PM

shoo coot!

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How much thought did you actually put into this post ?


Dec 31, 2021, 12:23 PM

.

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Re: Dabo's "Stay with starting QB no matter what" policy.


Dec 31, 2021, 1:11 PM

Are you at practice, do you see the team day in day out as a career???

I get your point, but TP was simply not at the level needed to be a Clemson QB. He just wasn’t good enough, sadly. He played decently when out in game.

If a TL, DW, and maybe CK next year, that is better on the field and can help Clemson be better, HE WILL PLAY!!

So many folks just don’t get it. Dabo took a 4-0 QB, KB, and sat him down knowing the better QB was his backup. There was no TL level player, or even remotely close, to run out there. DJ struggles were a issue but it was the reality in 2021. Tough year but the injuries were too much to overcome. DJ played hurt more than we think. Mostly on 1 leg, with a bad finger on his throwing hand. Tough!!

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just like KB


Dec 31, 2021, 1:13 PM

well TL would bench anyone alive but...

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Dabo will play the best QB who he feels is most capable and ready.


Dec 31, 2021, 1:30 PM

That was DJ this year.

The questions you should be asking instead are:

-why did we miss so badly on DJ, whether it was in recruiting, development, or both?
-why didn’t we have a capable backup or two ready to play when DJ struggle and was dealing with injuries?

I think we all know that having several 5 star QBs on the roster at the same time isn’t realistic or sustainable, but an elite program should always have at least one 5 star if not two, and should at least have a couple of legitimate 4 star QBs in the backup role.

We have former walk-ons rounding out our QB depth chart. Regardless of DJs performance, that’s poor roster management by our coaches, especially since we are supposedly “QBU.”

I know Dabo will get a pass here for this since he can do no wrong on TNet, but it’s the truth.

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Jan 1, 2022, 6:54 PM

I happen to agree that the question that should be asked about the QBs we have in 2021 is: "How did we miss so badly in evaluating QB talent in DJ and TP?" I just never saw the QB command of the game, quick decision making in RPOs, finding the open receiver, accurate, timely delivery of the pass. Neither of these guys were D1 QB's in any way that I could see.... and I watched every game. Don't get me wrong because I loved the team we put on the field this year and can only now imagine what could have been with a QB that could actually escape pressure and deliver the pass accurately and on time. This year's team was totally awesome with but with a QB with a lenient 50 QBR for the year.

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We had guys transfer.


Jan 1, 2022, 7:34 PM [ in reply to Dabo will play the best QB who he feels is most capable and ready. ]

You can't go looking for a 4*5 star and sign one on the spot. They have to be researched and uncommitted. It takes a lot of personal contact to uncover the true character of a person

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Jan 2, 2022, 11:23 AM [ in reply to Dabo will play the best QB who he feels is most capable and ready. ]

You don't understand the portal mentality is the same mentality for recruiting. The kids want to start and play. So how many 5*'s are going to come in this year with Cade committed? Or even 4*'s. This will be an ongoing problem. A high quality 4 or 5 star backup is going to be a rare thing because most would rather start for Duke or Vandy than be a backup at Clemson. You're naive to think we going to have a 5* and a 4* sitting on the bench for their careers.

Thank goodness we have a great staff that can evaluate talent. If you're going to criticize them for DJ, then you have to rave about Watson and Lawrence being huge hits. Show me another team that has the same high quality at QB over the last 8 years than Clemson with Watson, Lawrence, and yes even DJ. Even with Bama, I'd argue that Tua, Jones, and Young are close but Watson and Lawrence were better than any of theirs. We'll see on Cade, but he is certainly a top prospect at the position coming in.

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Please Tell Me What Other Real Option He Had??***


Dec 31, 2021, 1:39 PM



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Dec 31, 2021, 2:00 PM

There was a point in the season to where there was no worse option than DJ. Folks have short memories, and less than 2 months into somewhere around game 6 or 7, DJ was ranked #108 out of however many QB’s there are in college football.

To say TP wasn’t very good, may be true. However, he only needed to not be #108 and then not have inexcusable turnovers. I get the “DJ is our QB so he has to be great crowd”, but at some point you have to invite reality into your life

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I believe DJ finished the season with the worst QB rating in the ACC.


Dec 31, 2021, 2:13 PM

That’s inexcusable for a program that was elite just one year ago.

It’s also sad that the coaches didn’t feel that anyone on our roster was better.

This is why there are questions and concerns with the strategy of promoting from within.

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Dec 31, 2021, 2:22 PM

Put’s a new meaning to “the cupboard is bare”. If DJ was our best option, we didn’t have a capable #2 or 3. We need a reliable back up to Cade next year in case he gets dinged.

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Jan 1, 2022, 7:56 PM [ in reply to I believe DJ finished the season with the worst QB rating in the ACC. ]

How is it the "program's" fault that DJ regressed like he did? DJ did great last year, and under the same coaching he regressed. It was all on him.

Why is it "sad" that the coaching staff recognized DJ gave us the best chance to win? We won 10 games in spite of DJs regression, and all that credit goes to the coaches who adjusted the offense.

Your promoting from within comment makes no sense at all.

You seem desperate to find fault in the football program.

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Jan 2, 2022, 11:36 AM [ in reply to Re: Please Tell Me What Other Real Option He Had??*** ]

OK, let's talk reality.

Reality is DJ improved from mid-season on. Reality is that we went 10-3, going 8-1 in the last 9 games with a bowl win and wins over 2 other bowl winning teams with DJ at QB. Reality is that when TP tore his Achilles, DJ was indeed our only viable option even after TP came back to play sparingly. Reality is no one is saying DJ was great this year or by Tiger standards. Reality is you don't always have Option A in life, so Option B may be your better choice over an Option C. Reality is who gave us the best chance to win this year and go 10-3 with a bowl win? It was DJ.

But go ahead and hate on our players if it makes you feel better.

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Because DJ is/was thought to be the future for us -


Dec 31, 2021, 2:08 PM

TP will never be the regular starting QB. And since it was evident pretty early that we weren't making the playoffs, he let DJ try and work through and get as much experience as possible.

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Re: Dabo's "Stay with starting QB no matter what" policy.


Jan 1, 2022, 6:55 PM

40% pulse but “TiGeR fAn SiNcE kNeEhiGh To A gRasShOpPeR”

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Re: Dabo'w policy on who starts is...


Jan 1, 2022, 7:31 PM

best man starts. As for changing qbs during a game, when the game is in hand he will play a backup. If the game is on the line how would anyone think that the best man shouldn't stay on the field?

Let's not second guess Dabo. He removed Cole and put DW in as soon as DW showed that he could perform at NCAA speeds, same with KB and TL.

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Did you just start following Clemson this season?


Jan 1, 2022, 7:39 PM

We replaced a veteran QB with a true freshman in 2018 and ended up winning the national championship.

We didn't bench DJ because there was nobody better to take the position.

You honestly don't seem very knowledgeable.

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Bottom Line….


Jan 1, 2022, 8:29 PM

This was going to be DJs team. They stuck with DJ because they thought he would develop with more experience and get better as a playmaker and a leader. In terms of viable backups, TP was never going to be the answer. Hunter helms would have given the offense the best chance to be more efficient, however this decision would been “giving up” on DJ. I truely believe Dabo supports players first and sticks with the pecking order until there is a clear cut alternative. This year we did not have a clear cut alternative.

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Jan 2, 2022, 7:54 PM

I know. I can't believe Dabo let Kelly Bryant finish out the season as starter and made T.L. ride the bench all year.
Wait, I think I got that backward.

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Re: Dabo's "Stay with starting QB no matter what" policy.


Jan 2, 2022, 8:39 PM

As others have noted, as bad as DJ was, he was still the best we had and he wasn’t going to get any better sitting on the bench. It was incremental for sure, but he did get better. Unfortunately we didn’t have much garbage time to get the other QBs meaningful snaps

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