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Dabo says we fell a "little" short....
Dec 26, 2013, 7:51 AM
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of our goal to get to Pasadena.
A "little" short?
Really?
Just a "little"?
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2 games. Just how far is that to you?***
Dec 26, 2013, 8:28 AM
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Uhhh, REAL far
Dec 26, 2013, 8:40 AM
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Got blown out by FSU and looked completely inept against the coots. 2 of the 3 games on our schedule that provided any sort of legitimate resistance or challenge and we fell flat on our face.....Id say thats pretty ### far short.
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I can feel your disappointment since we have played in
Dec 26, 2013, 9:12 AM
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so many of the championship games over the years. Compared to where we have been, YES IT WAS A LITTLE SHORT but we are getting closer and closer.
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Ah, a little perspective....
Dec 26, 2013, 11:13 AM
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now THERE's something you don't see every day 'round these parts. Point!
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Re: 2 games. Just how far is that to you?***
Dec 26, 2013, 10:30 AM
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I think he was going by his measurement. Now he has his wife believing Clemson really flopped.
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Re: Dabo says we fell a "little" short....
Dec 26, 2013, 8:36 AM
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Typical dabo sounds like he took a verse from the tommy Bowden bible. After all he did come off of the Bowden staff.
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Re: Dabo says we fell a "little" short....
Dec 26, 2013, 10:31 AM
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Tell-em coot
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10 spots short of Pasadena, out of 124 teams.
Dec 26, 2013, 8:41 AM
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I'm no math surgeon, but I think that puts us in the 90th percentile. That's dean's list stuff right there.
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Except for the fact that the majority of those teams
Dec 26, 2013, 8:44 AM
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would be in a special needs class. Not really an accurate measure.
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That's for the computers to decide, right?***
Dec 26, 2013, 8:45 AM
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Bama, FL, GA, LSU, TX, OK, NE, OH ST, MICH and
Dec 26, 2013, 9:14 AM
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many, many more say HELLO!!
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Re: Bama, FL, GA, LSU, TX, OK, NE, OH ST, MICH and
Dec 26, 2013, 10:21 AM
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Good job, you listed 9 of 124. You want me to put together a list? I bet it out numbers yours by a wide margin.
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We were only 53 points short of a perfect season...***
Dec 26, 2013, 8:41 AM
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are we closing on the all-time n2aa division juan record
Dec 26, 2013, 8:46 AM
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for consecutive wins vs unranked opponents?
fingers crossed.
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Good, so no pressure at the OB.***
Dec 26, 2013, 8:48 AM
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a lot of this team was at the ob in 2012. i'd say they're
Dec 26, 2013, 9:05 AM
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going to hear a good bit about it from the media.
hopefully they're focused on the buckeyes & not putting the ghosts of that to rest.
no pressure.
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Why don't we just start losing to the WF, BC and NCS on
Dec 26, 2013, 9:17 AM
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our schedule and get that monkey off our back? That would make a lot of sense and you would never hear any fans complain about that accomplishment any more.
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so we're not close to the record? they keep it right?
Dec 26, 2013, 9:36 AM
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maybe my googler has the broke?
nothing wrong with beating teams you should, but you're only as good as your last game right?
turnovers to galvanize 5 in a row.
people don't want to hear that because it's in the past? yet beating teams you should is in the past as well. so we can keep the baby, but throw out the bath water[current 1 game losing streak] because you don't like it?
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Juuuuusst a bit outside***
Dec 26, 2013, 8:50 AM
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Re: Dabo says we fell a "little" short....
Dec 26, 2013, 8:53 AM
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I am quite sure you have never accomplished anything in your life. Your biggest challenge of the year is getting your lazy self off of the couch and making it to the kitchen for another box full of Swiss Rolls. Pathetic!
I mean seriously what Dabo Sweeny has accomplished in his life is inspirational and what he has accomplished with the Clemson Tigers is phenomenal! It will only get better from here. Perhaps you should go find another team to pull for! Well find a team to pull for because you obviously do not pull for Clemson!
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Re: Dabo says we fell a "little" short....
Dec 26, 2013, 9:46 AM
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Just because someone's upset with the results doesn't mean they don't pull for the Tigers. There's definitely no need for the insults.
The fact of the matter is Dabo set these super-high goals for us, and we failed miserably. We tried and failed and that's ok...but what frustrated me about Dabo is that he can't just say something is bad. Our losses to FSU and South Carolina were bad. We basically puked all over ourselves against South Carolina by making so many ridiculous mistakes, and we were just straight up pounded by Florida State.
That all sucks, but I guess what frustrates me is that two weeks after a loss Dabo will say something along the lines of "it's not so bad! We only lost twice!" or the dreadful "I think we beat them 5/10 times if we play them". I just want to see him stick to a narrative of "this isn't acceptable, we need to get better" rather than justify or try soften the importance of the losses.
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^^^^This!***
Dec 26, 2013, 10:24 AM
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Re: Dabo says we fell a "little" short....
Dec 26, 2013, 11:17 AM
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No need for insults? you gotta be kidding!! You people come on here and all you do is gripe and complain over winning 10 games and losing 2 games. 2 games to top 10 opponents I might add. Then you rip Dabo constantly and You say I should not insult because I point out there is a very high likely hood that most of the people who gripe have never set one goal athletically in their lives yet they live vicariously through this team and all they want to do is gripe and complain because they did not win a National Championship thus making the yum yum couch sitting griping people champions!
Yes if all yo do is gripe I doubt that you are a fan of the team You are a fan of yourself trying to make your self feel good through the achievement of others.
Now put the value bag of chips down and go run or ride a bike or do a push up or something.
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Re: Dabo says we fell a "little" short....
Dec 26, 2013, 12:12 PM
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Just to get the "never set one goal athletically in my life" thing out of the way, I played every sport I could as a kid. I obviously loved football, and basketball too even if I sucked at it. I was fortunate enough in my senior year to lead my division in TD receptions and made it on the Shriner's All-State team as a WR. So I've set and accomplished plenty of athletic goals...so let's let that be, ok?
Regarding the other parts of your posts, there's no doubt it feels much better to win 10 games than it does to win 7 or 8...but with the level of talent we have, playing in the ACC, 10 wins should be expected at this point.
Of course playing for a National Title is what I would have preferred, but that's not the main thing I'm upset about. These are my main gripes:
If we lost to FSU 31-21, and were in it for 3/4 quarters, it would have hurt but it would have been something I could have gotten over due to FSU's unbelievably loaded roster. Instead we fumbled on the first play and were totally out of the game physically and mentally five minutes into the 1st quarter. The week leading up to the game, Dabo and Tajh couldn't find enough cameras and reporters to talk to, which made it seem even worse because I felt like they concentrated on the spectacle of the game more than they prepared for the game itself. Then, after we were destroyed 51-7 (I don't count that last TD since it came with 30 seconds to go in the game), Dabo had the gall to say we'd win 5/10 games vs the Noles. Nationally, that makes us look like clowns. I was embarrassed to read that.
Florida State was a better team than us, plain and simple. It shouldn't been that big of a bloodbath, but they were better than us. South Carolina on the other hand, was not. They're a very good squad, but I felt like we had an advantage on them regarding talent, and for the most part I think I was correct. The main difference between our squads that game? Mentality. 6-effing-turnovers. I think only the Tajh fumble--which was still pretty bad--is the only one we could count as "forced". Other than that it was foolish WR passes, balls bouncing off a gunner's shoulder pads, a horrible fumble and horrible INTs.
I actually do really like Dabo, despite my criticisms of him. I don't think we should get rid of him. I think he's a great person and a very good coach too. However I think he:
1. Gets too wound up for big games, which causes our players to be tight mentally and not show up ready to play when it counts the most.
2. Tries to downplay the seriousness of losing to quality opponents. Last year we were 1/3 (Lost to FSU, South Carolina; beat LSU), and this year we're 1/3 again (FSU, SC; beat UGA) with an opportunity to go 2/4.
When we lose, I want to hear our coach say something along the lines of "it's unacceptable, we need to take a look at what we're doing wrong and fix it immediately. Clemson football is about championships and nothing else, blah blah blah", not "Well if we played them again we might win...I mean...we're a great team! We're so close!"
Of course it's nice to win ten games, but we're Clemson. Aren't we supposed to be focused on championships? Aren't we supposed to not lose to our rivals five years in a row? Relying on the "well we won 10 games!" thing is kind of like bragging about driving a Ferrari 125 mph at a race track but it has the power to do 200. It's nice, but we've stil got so much more unrealized potential, and that's what's frustrating. Not only that, but that Dabo at times seems OK with it.
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###, I felt like I wrote this myself! Well done.***
Dec 26, 2013, 3:23 PM
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Re: ###, I felt like I wrote this myself! Well done.***
Dec 26, 2013, 3:34 PM
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haha thanks! Good to know there are others out there who feel the same way as me.
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Re: Dabo says we fell a "little" short....
Dec 26, 2013, 3:34 PM
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I will take you at your word on your athletic accomplishments however if that is true you should have a little better perspective. One what Clemson has accomplished has not been easy. Second sometimes you are very focused on your goal you train well you prepare well and things still do not go as planned. So why does everyone rip Dabo most people in this world can not teach recruit or coach at the level that he does. But man people sure are quick to pile on and mainly over nothing. If you wanna talk football then talk football and put the blame where it belongs. It was not Dabo that turned it over 6 times. I think all the coaches do a great job but if you wanna talk about coaches talk about Morris and why He always goes strictly to Sammy Watkins in the big game and tries trick plays when their not needed. Most games even blow outs can turn on just a few plays and not sticking with a proven game plan cost Clemson in my opinion.
What I personally do not like is people ripping coaches and players when from what I see the coaches and the team give it all they have and looks to me like they are REALLY GOOD!
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Re: Dabo says we fell a "little" short....
Dec 26, 2013, 4:21 PM
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Well here's the thing...while Dabo didn't turn it over 6 times vs South Carolina, you could argue 4/6 turnovers were mental. Both punt returns were mental and so were both of Tajh's interceptions. The WR pass was genuinely terrible play calling and the fumble was just bad luck & a bunch of DL'men holding up our QB.
Mental mistakes are the responsibility of the coaching staff, and ultimately that falls on the shoulders of the head coach.
Do you really think FSU was that much better than us? I don't. But they came to play right off the bat, and we had our heads in the clouds. We weren't prepared for that game and yes, that again falls on Dabo's shoulders.
I do believe Dabo is a very good coach, and I do think he's probably in the top 150 or so of people in his profession (including NFL head coaches) in the entire world. I understand you're just sticking up for our coach, but he was also paid $2.5 million for this season alone. When you get that kind of cash, and you're coaching a top flight program, there's always going to be criticism. Heck, I'm originally from the Boston area and while I think Belichick is near-perfect, there are certainly areas I'd like to see him improve or relinquish some power (*cough*draft*cough*). So don't take this as me saying I dislike Dabo. I enjoy him, even if sometimes I don't like the whole song and dance.
Like many people, one of his greatest assets is also one of his greatest weaknesses. His passion for the players and the game is second to nobody...and that is what makes him such a great recruiter. However I think it also sometimes gets in his way when getting prepared for a big game. As I mentioned before, I think his passion gets him so wound up that it actually acts as a detractor, rather than help. However, I think Morris can do a lot to help this side of things. Speaking of which....
You mentioned we should put some of the blame of this on Morris. I absolutely do. I think Chad, while great and has done fantastic things for this program, has some areas that he really needs to work on. The most glaring of this is his play calling. I think Morris has one of the best offensive minds/systems in the nation, but his gameday play calling can be really suspect at times. He gets frustrated easily if things aren't working and often gets over-reliant on the pass. As you mentioned, he's also got an incurable itch for trick plays, which should only be run once or twice a year. Instead he likes to do that once or twice a game. I think this will improve the longer he's around though. It's only a matter of time.
However it did appear that his system this year was a lot more vanilla than years past. I'd really like to see the faster pace, motion, and wide-open offense we saw in 2011-2012. This year it seemed so much more conventional.
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Re: Dabo says we fell a "little" short....
Dec 27, 2013, 12:38 PM
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easy question to answer.
Dabo still thinks he is an offensive genius and is still calling plays. read his lips
and the ACC is weaker than it has ever been. how can we crow--or even think we accomplished anything by beating teams like the citadel and the weak sisters of the ACC
it is a bs record and not worthy of our lofty national ranking which was easily exposed by the chickens and fla state.
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Re: Dabo says we fell a "little" short....
Dec 27, 2013, 12:43 PM
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easy question to answer.
Dabo still thinks he is an offensive genius and is still calling plays. read his lips
and the ACC is weaker than it has ever been. how can we crow--or even think we accomplished anything by beating teams like the citadel and the weak sisters of the ACC
it is a bs record and not worthy of our lofty national ranking which was easily exposed by the chickens and fla state.
dabo is no coach. he willend up with a bowden type record
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Re: Dabo says we fell a "little" short....
Dec 27, 2013, 12:50 PM
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See I'm not as down on Dabo as you are. I think he does do a lot of things correctly, and while the ACC is down, his record isn't simply a product of our competition.
I think Dabo has done a magnificent job recruiting and Morris' system is fantastic, even if his playcalling needs improvement.
However, as I said before, I think Dabo has to do something about how we prepare for big games and how we come into the game mentally. Basically he needs to find a way to replicate our mentality for the LSU/UGA games.
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Hear, Hear!
Dec 26, 2013, 7:48 PM
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tmac9wr--You have just posted the most accurate, dead-on post about my concerns, also. A lot of us (not the majority, unfortunately) agree with you on this 100%!
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tmac... since you played high school ball,
Dec 27, 2013, 11:55 AM
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you are prolly familiar with that 'quicksand' from the Replacements. That first fumble I think changed the whole game. It gave what should have been a shaken Freshmen quarterback confidence that he shouldnt have had and then our guys started feeling the 'Oh no.' And then try to do too much. I think a 31-21 game would have been realistic if that first fumble didnt happen.
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Re: tmac... since you played high school ball,
Dec 27, 2013, 12:29 PM
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It's definitely possible...but at one point during the second quarter, after we scored a TD, we got the ball back at 17-7 a couple of times and we did nothing with it. We actually had FSU deep in their own territory for a couple of possessions and had nice field position. But we just weren't there mentally.
I definitely believe in the theory that a heartbreaking turnover can take you out of the game. I think it happened in the FSU game, but it wasn't only because of that fumble.
Conversely, I think the only reason we lost the Orange Bowl in 2011 was due to the AE fumble which was brought back 99 yards before the half.
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Re: Dabo says we fell a "little" short....
Dec 26, 2013, 8:54 AM
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I see it didn't take long for you goobers to get out of the Christmas spirit and back to your old usual hateful selves. Whatever dabo says has to be dissected down to every period. Well at least you bottom feeders are at least happy again.
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Pot calling the kettle black***
Dec 26, 2013, 8:57 AM
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Don't see no pot or kettle, just someone SUPPORTING
Dec 26, 2013, 9:20 AM
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the program, win or lose, which is unique in this day and age.
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Re: Dabo says we fell a "little" short....
Dec 26, 2013, 8:55 AM
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I am quite sure you have never accomplished anything in your life. Your biggest challenge of the year is getting your lazy self off of the couch and making it to the kitchen for another box full of Swiss Rolls. Pathetic!
I mean seriously what Dabo Sweeny has accomplished in his life is inspirational and what he has accomplished with the Clemson Tigers is phenomenal! It will only get better from here. Perhaps you should go find another team to pull for! Well find a team to pull for because you obviously do not pull for Clemson!
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Uh, what do Swiss rolls have to do with anything?***
Dec 26, 2013, 9:18 AM
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Re: Dabo says we fell a "little" short....
Dec 26, 2013, 8:57 AM
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Glad I am not the only one on this board. Very well said.
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Waaahhhhh! I didn't get my ego feed from an activity I
Dec 26, 2013, 8:57 AM
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have nothing to do with! Waaahhhhh! "My" team wasn't perfect! Waaahhhhh! The sky is falling!
Please grow up.
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So what are you doing here then?***
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Dabo Swinney
Dec 26, 2013, 9:01 AM
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How nice...
we're back to winning 10 games each year, and we're
complaining. Hey, that's a good thing. That means once
again, the bar has been set high.
My only grief personally, not beating SC
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Once again, Dabo, ####.***
Dec 26, 2013, 9:12 AM
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whiner!***
Dec 26, 2013, 9:21 AM
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Deer Dabo, We will never get there until we build
Dec 26, 2013, 9:49 AM
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a strong line on both sides of the ball and have a power running back to add to our defensive eye candy razzledazzle offensive scheme. When we play with the big boys, who are disciplined in their defensive lanes and pressure our QB, we can't fool them. So until we build a foundation that can consistently protect our QB and create running lanes for our backs, nothing will change. We will always come up "a little short."
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Re: Deer Dabo, We will never get there until we build
Dec 26, 2013, 9:58 AM
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I agree with you partially. I agree 100% on the part of our lines. Actually, our defensive line was more than enough to make us a contender. I also think that our recruiting suggests that we won't have a lot to worry about in the future regarding the defensive line either. The weakness was almost purely in our offensive line, both in a lack of talent and lack of depth. This should be our #1 priority in the offseason. Something absolutely needs to be done.
However I disagree about needing a power back. Two years ago, we had AE--who was far from being considered a power back--and he's proven to be a solid back in the NFL so far. So I don't think a power back is necessary. Our stable of running backs this past year should have been enough too. Our group next year should be especially capable if Tyshon Dye comes back from his injury full strength. We don't need a power back as much as we need the push up front.
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Agree. Our RB's are good enough if they are supported by
Dec 26, 2013, 10:08 AM
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a good line. The power back would take us to the next level. When you can add a yard or two to each running play, and can break tackles for a big run, it makes a difference. The defense must respect that back, which opens up creases for the pass.
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Re: Agree. Our RB's are good enough if they are supported by
Dec 26, 2013, 12:18 PM
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For sure. I believe our next backs certainly have that potential. I think both Brooks and Dye could definitely fit a role similar to that of James Davis, which I think would be big time for us.
But, as you mentioned, the real need comes from that push up front.
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Sometimes I wish Dabo would be a little more
Dec 26, 2013, 9:50 AM
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Real and less of a sunshine pumper. It makes him look like a used car salesman
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Re: Sometimes I wish Dabo would be a little more
Dec 26, 2013, 10:00 AM
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HE can't help it, he is the biggest pumper I have ever seen!
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He is a Self Promoter. OSU was a "little short"!!***
Dec 26, 2013, 3:32 PM
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Re: Dabo says we fell a "little" short....
Dec 26, 2013, 9:58 AM
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Well, Dabo is not a 'cup half empty' guy. He's not even a 'cup half full' guy. Dabo sees a completely empty coffee cup and says, "Quick, where's the saucer!"
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Amazed
Dec 26, 2013, 10:17 AM
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@all the cootish "Tiger" fans on this board. Not the Dirtpeckers masquerading as a Tigerfan but the actual fans on the board who say such Cootish things. Its a little disconcerting. The season didnt end in the NCG but the Orange bowl vs the #6 team in the country ? Thats an amazing result considering out two losses.
All this we got blown out and fell on our face talk has its merit ...but we are without a doubt a top 10 type team under Dabo Swinney...what else could we ask for.
Remember , we buy the chicken then we feed the chicken and when its time we tear its head off and eat the chicken. By no means do we ever make friends with the chicken or (ghast) AGREE with the chicken.
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what if we gave the chicken the choice, "fried or baked?"
Dec 26, 2013, 10:21 AM
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and the chicken chose fried.
i might have a hankerin' for fried chicken so i'd tend to agree with said chicken.
never is a really long time.
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Re: Amazed
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Pretty sure the chicken fans love Dabo's eternal optimism, and especially his reticence to admit shortcomings in his program. They know his "keep the faith" attitude is partly the reason for the gifts that keep on giving each November.
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Any word on us going to the Big12
Dec 26, 2013, 10:47 AM
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.......stay by your computers
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I think we secretly joined Big 12 2 years ago.
Dec 26, 2013, 12:28 PM
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The media simply has not run with the story yet.
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Tell'em Coot***
Dec 26, 2013, 10:53 AM
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He's not wrong***
Dec 26, 2013, 11:11 AM
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Get a grip dude, we have 1 national title in our history….
Dec 26, 2013, 2:46 PM
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to think we are going to easily be able to get in the national title game every year is completely moronic.
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We lost 2 games to top 10 teams
Dec 26, 2013, 3:42 PM
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My goodness, we have got to be the most butthurt and unappreciative fanbase out there. Do you know how hard it is to win 10 games in ANY conference?
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Re: We lost 2 games to top 10 teams
Dec 26, 2013, 7:32 PM
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It must be pretty dang hard. I know we haven't done it but a couple of times in the last 20 years. But if it was easy, all coaches would be doing it. And the price of coaches would be going down and not up. We got lucky, we got a 10 win coach on sale.
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Re: Dabo says we fell a "little" short....
Dec 26, 2013, 7:48 PM
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top 2 go to Pasadena... we were # 12 in the BCS, so there are 9 in front of us. come on Dabo. be a little more forthright.
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Re: Dabo says we fell a "little" short....
Dec 26, 2013, 7:48 PM
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forthright huh. lmfao
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Re: Dabo says we fell a "little" short....
Dec 26, 2013, 9:31 PM
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Really a little short? No division title ! No conference title ! 5th straight loss to Scar! Ranked outside the top 10! Dabo you sound like Bowden. Not even close but only close in Dabo spin land!
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