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Letterman [273]
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Dabo bashing
Jun 20, 2012, 1:42 PM
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I can't quite get all of the bashing of Dabo by some Tnetters. The CU AD saw fit to hire a WR coach as the new HC after Bowden. Maybe they should have hired someone with more experience for a top tier job, but they didn't. I just don't see this as an argument against him. It's almost as if people want him to fail because it was a "bad hire". Why is it that everyone can't get behind a self made Christian man that really seems totally committed to Clemson football. Yes, his name isn't Nick Saban and he doesn't coach the same way but he is a great recruiter and has been making hires every year to try to improve from year to year. Heck, even the almighty Saban started off at Michigan State with 6, 6, 7, and 6 win seasons before a 9 win season. Dabo may have lost 3 straight to HECK but those were probably three of their best teams in history and he did manage a 10 win season with an ACCT championship for the first time in 20 years this season. Get behind him a little and give him a chance and maybe we will get rewarded.
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In 2009 the coots were not good,
Jun 20, 2012, 1:04 PM
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In fact they followed up the win against us with a loss to Uconn in the pizza bowl. Dabo was clearly out coached by Spurrier in that game. I remember the week before UVA having a lot of success with the read option and the wildcat and Spurrier ran both all day long the next week.
Dabo has made mistakes that young coaches are gonna make. I think a lot of people are frustrated because they feel he should be making these mistakes at a smaller school, not a big time football school like Clemson.
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SC has owned Steele not Dabo
Jun 20, 2012, 2:18 PM
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UVA showed the weakness in Steele's scheme and SC ran it the entire game and Steele could do nothing to stop it.
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Who was it that hired Steele again?
Jun 20, 2012, 2:19 PM
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Orange Blooded [2507]
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At the time everyone thought it was a great decision
Jun 20, 2012, 2:21 PM
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Steele came from Bama and had a very good track record as one of the best DC in the country. Dabo is not an Xs and Ox coach. He trusts his coordinators to run their part of the team. Steele failed and thus was let go just like Napier the year before
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Re: At the time everyone thought it was a great decision
Jun 20, 2012, 2:28 PM
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Do you think before you post?
"Steele came from Bama and had a very good track record as one of the best DC in the country" ---- Steele was co-defensive coordinator and was looking elsewhere because Saban was going to fire him.
"He trusts his coordinators to run their part of the team."---- Where were you during the Napier experiment (oh yeah, who he also hired) and Dabo was constantly in his headset and changing plays?
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Ok, then why do you find it so hard giving credit to Dabo
Jun 20, 2012, 2:38 PM
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For hiring Morris and recruiting Watkins? He nearly beat the national champion team...took them to overtime and if our QB had not gotten hurt probably would have won it. He beat Frank Beamer twice in the same year and the defending national champions.
You seem to be hung up on the Coots. I don't like losing to them either, but there is much more going on here then coot outcomes.
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Re: Ok, then why do you find it so hard giving credit to Dabo
Jun 20, 2012, 2:50 PM
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Auburn lost 30 something seniors from the national title team and VT was highly overrated as usual. Also we beat FSU with out their best player. It was a great year and nobody seen it coming but let's not get carried away here. We've been pulling in big time recruits for years, nothing new there.
Who gets the blame for our players begging WVU and Scar to lighten up?
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Orange Blooded [4483]
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We wouldve beat FSU by more if their "best player" had
Jun 20, 2012, 9:39 PM
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played. I assume the "best player" you're referring to is Manuel. Trickett seems to be a much better passer that Manuel. Manuel could'nt hit the broad side of a barn.
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And that is a fact.***
Jun 20, 2012, 11:22 PM
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Orange Blooded [4483]
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Good point.***
Jun 21, 2012, 5:40 PM
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Re: Ok, then why do you find it so hard giving credit to Dabo
Jun 21, 2012, 11:25 AM
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If thet actually begged the other team to lighten up, it is 100% on the players. How can you blame Dabo for that. Oh I know, He wasn't my choice so he'll never be good enough.
How would you like your job performance depending on the actions of 18-22 year olds? Or being discussed 24/7 on tigernet?
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Re: Ok, then why do you find it so hard giving credit to Dabo
Jun 20, 2012, 3:04 PM
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I say he hired Napier and Morris, so that's a wash. He hired Steele and Venables, we've yet to find out how that will be but I think he made a good hire with Venables.
I've always said I can't say a bad word about his recruiting skills. Check my post history. The guys is a closer when it comes to recruiting. But I'd rather win games than the recruiting national championship.
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Re: Ok, then why do you find it so hard giving credit to Dabo
Jun 20, 2012, 4:25 PM
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He's won a helluva lot of them as a new head coach. had one of the best seasons in Clemson Football history. Hell there has only been a handful of 10 win seasons.
Give the boy sometime, he'll get another 10 this year and 2013 better not pic against the tigers.
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Wow, a DEMOTION from co-DC to assistant HC. Sounds
Jun 20, 2012, 4:43 PM
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like PROMOTION to me.
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Rock Defender [53]
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It's a reassignment from a coordinator job to administrative
Jun 20, 2012, 11:00 PM
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That's a demotion for a coach.
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wow #1 basher himself showed up, shocker***
Jun 20, 2012, 11:11 PM
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Rock Defender [53]
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Says the basher since he can't prove me wrong.***
Jun 20, 2012, 11:18 PM
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nobody can prove you wrong in your world
Jun 20, 2012, 11:21 PM
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Bobby Dodd and Two Acc title games in 3 years. Great recruiting classes and just landed #1 recruit and another top 5 DE. yeah deserves bashing. Go back to fairyland
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Rock Defender [53]
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2 division titles in the worst BCS division in college
Jun 20, 2012, 11:25 PM
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football. What is his record vs OOC top 25 teams? Vs. USC? Or his record in bowl games? How many games did we get stomped in last year? oh yea, 4. How many top 20 finishes does he have? yea, he's a winner alright.
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answer the question***
Jun 20, 2012, 11:28 PM
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Rock Defender [53]
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That's another *untruth*
Jun 20, 2012, 11:37 PM
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The first year we won the division we had an SOS in the 20's. This past year when we beat FSU, Auburn, and VT twice, our SOS was in the low 30's. Has any other rookie coach accomplished that in his first 3 years of coaching at 1-A? So can you name another BCS coach who has done that in his first 3 years or no?
Just FYI, Swinney's had 2 top 25 finishes in his first 3 years. Your school only has seven top 25 finishes....in over 100 years.
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1-3 in Bowl games, against USCjr and GT is an untruth?
Jun 21, 2012, 7:14 AM
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blind Daboism.
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Rock Defender [53]
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No Ned, obviously those aren't *untruths*
Jun 21, 2012, 10:24 AM
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But those numbers you cited are far outweighed by the positives. Try to keep up, mmmmkay?
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Re: At that time we needed Steele...Koenning was a loser and
Jun 20, 2012, 2:46 PM
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Koennig had consistent top 20 D's every season. But passing him up on interim lead to inevitable firing/leaving
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shocks me how people forget these things
Jun 20, 2012, 3:06 PM
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and then run their mouth.
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110%er [7157]
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koenning=great stats, no results
Jun 20, 2012, 4:24 PM
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we had great completion percentage on offense with Spence too..how'd that work out/
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Re: koenning=great stats, no results
Jun 21, 2012, 7:23 AM
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Didn't say I wanted VK to stay... just said I didn't want Steele. For the record, I agree with you on VK.
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110%er [7157]
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Statistically Koennings defenses were good but
Jun 20, 2012, 4:21 PM
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we could never win a big game simply because our defense allowed opposing QB's to control the clock. We never put pressure on QB's therefore we allowed them to get chunks, not quick scores, but chunks that ate the clock up. Thats what you forget about. I hated watching our defense. we never made any adjustments at the half we continued playing soft zone even when we were getting killed with it and we just watch seconds tick in large chunks. You'll never get to that next level without a defense that attacks at least on occasion to keep offenses uncertain. If we ever faced a good qB we were toast. Because they would just take all of our time away adn we didnt' have the offense to strike quick consistently.
I t-total hated our defense...becuase it was nothing but a total defense type statistical friendly defense that got absolutely no results.
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Re: Who was it that hired Steele again?
Jun 20, 2012, 2:50 PM
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...and napier...that just farted around with spence's offense for a couple of years
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Re: Who was it that hired Steele again?
Jun 20, 2012, 3:07 PM
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I don't know who was worse. At least Spence had an idea of what he was trying to do... bubble screen everyone to death. I felt like Napier was a 7 year old playing playstation with the weird crap he was calling.
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Re: Who was it that hired Steele again?
Jun 21, 2012, 7:46 AM
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Napier went to the ACCG spence never sniffed it
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Re: Who was it that hired Steele again?
Jun 21, 2012, 12:12 PM
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C.j. spiller ...that is all
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Re: Who was it that hired Steele again?
Jun 20, 2012, 3:10 PM
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Whew! Where to start?
I've never really thought Dabo was all that great at coaching - but he's probably the #1 recruiter in the country. The SEC great coaches literally suck at recruiting compared to Dabo.
Bottom line - how can anyone really question Dabo for at least 2 years after the two most recent Coordinator hires??? Really??? If you do, please do not attempt to ever run a business. That is simply BAD BUSINESS!!
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Come on Ned, even a sports ignorant guy like you knows
Jun 21, 2012, 6:03 PM
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Every coach that has ever coached anything has hired and fired coaches.
Ned.
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Let me get in the middle of this issue.
Jun 20, 2012, 1:55 PM
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The last chapter of this isn't written yet.
I fully expect Dabo to move our program forward and stand behind him completely but he has a problem and it does not originate with Clemson fans.
Last season Dabo was unable to control the emotional temperature of our team. There were times when they believe they couldn't lose and times when they believed they couldn't win. His quest to gain experience in this is solely trial and error.
It is not a science where you can have practice problems with examples to study or a math problem. Experience is the only teacher for every team is different and every year it changes with the graduation of seniors and the addition of freshmen.
I believe this year you will see a remarkable improvement in Dabo's ability to manage the emotions of our team and perhaps even himself.
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We've seen no improvement in his game management...
Jun 21, 2012, 7:20 AM
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why should we expect improvement on this front?
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Blind hope
Jun 21, 2012, 7:42 AM
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that's all pumpers need to base any of their decisions on apparently.
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Ease up now...
Jun 21, 2012, 8:08 AM
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The Morris hire was a good move but it was clear that Morris suffers the same ailment as Dabo when it comes to handling the team's emotions along with game situations. Fact is, I think he may have made matters worse.
I'm blindly hope that BV might add some coaching maturity to the fold. Then, I always try and support a Clemson coach until he proves that his usefulness has expired.
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2 division titles, 1 ACC crown, the best season in 20~30 yrs
Jun 21, 2012, 10:47 AM
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great recruiting, and a growing program with very good coaches.......not *blind hope* at all. It doesn't even make sense to pretend that's the case.
Please try to come up with something new. Everything you're saying with this handle was shot down using your other handle.
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Re: Let me get in the middle of this issue.
Jun 21, 2012, 11:35 AM
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Ok I was a football manager from 1962-1965. Back then the night before home games the team slept in the little gym at Fike Field House. The football managers slept at the doors to "prevent" them from sneaking out. I was 100% accurate in predicting home wins or losses based on behavior of the team. If they were quiet and went to sleep, usually we won. If they were loud, cut up and didn't sleep much, we lost every time. Coach Howard had same routine, prepaired them the same, but couldn't control what went on in their minds. And usually when they were rowdy, it was the seniors who had the attitude -who cares.
Again, remember when you were 18-22 - how settled were you???
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Let me put in my 2 cents
Jun 20, 2012, 2:04 PM
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I'm not bashing Dabo as a person. Never have, never will.
All I bash him about is the results on the field. Losing to our rivals 3 years straight, giving up the most points ever in a BCS bowl game to a team that Maryland almost beat (while asking them to quit playing so hard), struggling against Wofford at home, getting embarrassed by an average NC State team, going 1-4 in bowl games and against GT since he's been coach... these are unacceptable to me.
Winning the ACC is nice, but I'm sorry, we SHOULD be winning it every year with the competition we face. It shouldn't be our crowning accomplishment. It should be a footnote on our resume for the national championship game.
If you don't agree with me, that's fine. Agree to disagree. But the guy just isn't getting it done on the field, period.
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Wrong
Jun 20, 2012, 2:20 PM
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You just blame who you feel like blaming. Where is the blame on morris, steele, and the players for Wofford, NC State, GT, and USuC? You don't blame them because you like them. If you think that even half of those are because of the head coach of a football team, you obviously know nothing about the organizational structure of a college team.
It isn't "this guy just isn't getting it done", it's "THESE GUYS arent getting it done."
Also, when Dabo took over, we were not even close to a national championship team, so winning the ACC is a huge accomplishment. Not only is it an accomplishment, but it is a step in the right direction. Asking for more than that in 3 years from a new head coach is just plain stupid.
There aren't many posts on here than can actually make me feel compelled to say something, but come on... Be a fan
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Re: Wrong
Jun 20, 2012, 2:25 PM
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I am a fan which is why I voice my opinion.
If you want to play that game, then Morris/Boyd/Sammy are the reasons we won 10 games last year, not Dabo.
If he's the reason that you think our entire program has turned around, he's also the reason we are 1-4 in bowls under him and can't beat SC.
See, I can turn things around too. What you can't turn around is our wins and losses.
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Who would want to turn around our wins/losses?
Jun 20, 2012, 4:44 PM
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A 29 & 19 record is much better than 19 & 29 record.
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Re: Who would want to turn around our wins/losses?
Jun 21, 2012, 7:22 AM
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29 wins against who? PC, Wofford, Wake Forest, Troy, BC, North Texas, Duke, UVA, Coastal Carolina?
How has he done against top 25 competition? The SEC? Bowl games? Against GT?
He doesn't even win all the games we are SUPPOSED to win.
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Re: Wrong
Jun 20, 2012, 8:33 PM
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dabo had a year that if not for C.J.
we wouldn't have won 3 games
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Re: Wrong
Jun 21, 2012, 12:13 AM
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Man, if people didn't play football, then no one would ever win football championships. Ifs are the stupidest thing of all time to use to bash someone.
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Re: Wrong
Jun 21, 2012, 2:24 PM
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Who got CJ to come to Clemson?
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Re: Wrong
Jun 21, 2012, 2:25 PM
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Also who got CJ to come back for his Sr. yr?
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Re: Wrong
Jun 21, 2012, 7:48 AM
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Who brought Morris/Boyd/Sammy to Clemson?
See how childish you sound
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Re: Wrong
Jun 21, 2012, 12:52 PM
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I wasn't trying to turn anything that you said around to win an argument. I was simply informing you that you were wrong. That's it, don't look too much into it. I also never said that Dabo was the reason we won 10 games, and I certainly never said he's the reason that our program has turned around. Not too sure where you got that stuff, but I made a point to emphasize that it was about everyone, players and coaches alike, not Dabo.
btw how miserable is your life that you are this depressed about football all the time. I mean the year hasn't even started yet and you are already on suicide watch. Chill and wait for the season.
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Re: Wrong
Jun 21, 2012, 6:23 PM
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you're right. I was wrong about all the big games he's lost. You're trying to place the blame on everyone but Dabo.
My life is great and is of no interest to you or this conversation. Which is why I can afford to think for myself about issues as trivial as football in June and not just repeat everything Dabo and daddy Don Munson tell me to.
I'm talking about football on a football message board, stating my opinion based on facts, but I must have a miserable life, give me a break.
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Re: Wrong
Jun 20, 2012, 2:28 PM
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The year Dabo took over we started the year in the top 10. We also had just signed a top 5 class and we've signed very good classes ever since. It's put up or shutup this year. I'm behind Dabo 100% but anything less than an ACC title and at least a good showing in a BCS bowl and he should be gone.
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he should be gone? So if he goes 11-1 with a loss to FSU
Jun 20, 2012, 2:38 PM
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then he's a scrub lets kick him and Nkemdiche to the curb...you gotta live in reality. WE aren't Danny Fords team we are who we are. And to see that people are still complaining after winning the conference then I don't guess it will ever end. When Dabo goes 6-6 then you have cause to kick him to the curb but then man just took Clemson to the aCC title and won in 3 years time. He's got arguably the best OC and DC in the ACC if not the country and another top 10 maybe 5 recruiting class coming in this year...(barring idiots from firing him for losing a game. ) He'll be fine.
Unless you know that we have the inside track to go get a top 10 coach then this discussion is ridiculous.
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Re: he should be gone? So if he goes 11-1 with a loss to FSU
Jun 20, 2012, 3:05 PM
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Exactly, he's got all that so no excuses. Put up or shutup.
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Exactly, he's got all that so no excuses. Put up or shutup.
Jun 20, 2012, 4:51 PM
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Why tell a guy to "put up or shut up" 2 months before the season even starts? Seems very oppositional and/or antagonistic.
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Re: he should be gone? So if he goes 11-1 with a loss to FSU
Jun 20, 2012, 3:14 PM
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Winning the ACC used to be expected around Clemson nation. Wish some of you would remember those times and quit screaming from a mountain top that we won the ACC. It should be a footnote on our resume for the national championship, not our crowned jewel.
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You go get Saban and I will agree with you...you also
Jun 20, 2012, 4:31 PM
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need to live in today and now and not 30 years ago. I was alive then too and remember that if we lost 2 games in a year we sucked. But today we don't have that reputation. And if doesn't just happen. But getting double digit wins and winning a conference championship and going to BCS games is in the neighborhood of getting back to that point. The only way you get their instantly is going and getting the best coach in the NCAA and those are already taken...unless you go for a Petrino...he could get you there but you know what you'll get also. Or if you're willing to come off the hip and beat everybody out in salary.
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Charlie Pell was a DC we promoted to HC. He took a CU
Jun 20, 2012, 11:17 PM
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program that had sucked for years with only a few winning seasons and his first year went 8-4 then 10-1.
Ford took over and 3 years won the national championship.
Either you have it or you don't and it doesn't take years of experience, great recruiting, and repeated coaching staff overhauls to win. If it takes all that you aren't winning because of the HC, but in spite of him!!
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Swinney has done more in his first 3 years of head coaching
Jun 20, 2012, 11:20 PM
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than anyone has done around here in over 20 years.
Are you snorting coke again Ned?
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which isn't saying much.***
Jun 20, 2012, 11:26 PM
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Yea what's 2 or 3 decades?
Jun 20, 2012, 11:29 PM
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I mean really. That ain't squat.
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had been like 40yrs since we lost 3straight to USCjr, not 20
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Yup. But the 20 part of it is more important.***
Jun 21, 2012, 10:25 AM
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Re: So he's better than Hatfield, West, and Bowden?
Jun 21, 2012, 7:51 AM
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You want those 3 back?
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Re: Swinney has done more in his first 3 years of head coaching
Jun 21, 2012, 7:27 AM
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Yeah, set BCS bowl records for most points allowed, lost to USCjr 3 straight for the first time in 40 years and has lost more bowl games in his first 4 than anyone in 20 years. You're right, he's setting all kinds of records.
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You're not able to picture the scale Ned?
Jun 21, 2012, 10:40 AM
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The positives far outweigh the negatives, and by all indications the program and it's positives are growing.
Plus can you please stick with one handle to reply? Changing handles and saying the same things doesn't help your weak case.
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But he won with who he inherited, thats the key.***
Jun 20, 2012, 11:27 PM
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Re: Charlie Pell was a DC we promoted to HC. He took a CU
Jun 21, 2012, 11:46 AM
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And Charlie Pell admitted he did it by cheating. Danny was not even a coordinator. He was a line coach and people said he was wrong hire- no experience. No one knows what our record would have been had he stayed -or how many times we would have been on probation. He sure didn't do very well at Arkansas.
If you look at our history, Frank Howard had some runs like that in ACC, but never very good against SEC teams. In fact, he has a loosing record against USC, but most of those losses came on Big Thursday. Truth is, the years of greatness are the abnormal ones at Clemson, otherwise it's been strong in conference, not so much with the big boys.
How do you know Clemson could attract a "name" coach anyhow, and how do you know they could do any better? Except for last couple of years, Name coaches haven't done much for Carolina.
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Re: Did you really create ANOTHER handle?
Jun 21, 2012, 7:28 AM
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I don't know what you're talking about but people might take you more seriously if you actually made a fact based argument instead of asking everyone if they are on drugs. Just a thought.
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Yea of course Ned.
Jun 21, 2012, 10:26 AM
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Lack of facts and overuse of drugs. Yep, that's you.
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lack of facts?
Jun 21, 2012, 5:53 PM
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quit calling me ned and try to use facts on your own. I give you Dabo's bowl record and record against USCjr and you call it an "untruth" and then try to say that I am not using facts? go off yourself.
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I didn't say you never post facts Ned.
Jun 21, 2012, 5:58 PM
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I said when you do use *facts* in the course of spewing your vitriolic nonsense, that they're easily shot down and outweighed by more relevant facts. Nevermind the fact that 99.9% of everything you post is an outright lie.
Good luck with that coke habit though. Be careful, that stuff makes you even crazier than normal.
Try to keep up Ned, mmmmkay?
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kid, can you grow up?
Jun 21, 2012, 6:14 PM
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You must be on that smack, because no one knows what you're talking about. I'm trying to discuss clemson, not you. go ask your mom for a candy bar.
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*kid*, *mom*, *candy bar*
Jun 21, 2012, 6:21 PM
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Is that the best you can do Ned? Really? FAIL. Can you make it any more obvious?
Crazy folks shouldn't try to be witty. Ned.
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THIS IS A FOOTBALL MESSAGE BOARD
Jun 21, 2012, 6:28 PM
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what the #### is wrong with you? THIS IS A FOOTBALL MESSAGE BOARD. talk about football and quit being a little sh!t.
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Rock Defender [53]
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Hey there's something that's not an *untruth*
Jun 21, 2012, 6:37 PM
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Good job Ned. There's that 0.1% I was referring to earlier.
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Re: Wrong
Jun 20, 2012, 10:16 PM
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If we fire Dabo after this year then we lose our 2013 class. How do see that as being a productive move to the football program? Makes no sense
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Bullcrap.***
Jun 20, 2012, 11:32 PM
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The bottom line is the HC is responsible, accountable. That'
Jun 20, 2012, 11:07 PM
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is why they get paid millions!! Everything you listed is his responsibility. You don't see other programs do like Clemson and let the HC (TB & Dabo) repeatedly fire and hire new coordinators. Other schools are serious about winning and know that starts with the right HC. Clemson hasn't been serious about winning for a long time. They let mediocre coaches perpetually fire/hire coordinators to save their jobs for a few more years and give fans hope. They are milking fans for money and laughing at us behind our backs.
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hey genius if Dabo didn't care he wouldn't have given a huge
Jun 20, 2012, 11:13 PM
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Chunk of his wages to his coaches
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Oh yea a whole whopping $250+/-k that was an incentive on
Jun 20, 2012, 11:21 PM
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top of his salary of almost $2 million plus other incentive money. I wish I could get hired for a job I was grossly under qualified for, be grossly over paid, and get an extension despite being mediocre. I'd give up a little incentive money to hang onto that cushy gig too. Who wouldn't???
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*I wish I could get hired for a job*
Jun 20, 2012, 11:24 PM
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typically employers like to hire sane people. I'm just sayin'.
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name me some coaches who can say
Jun 20, 2012, 11:26 PM
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They went to 2 conference titles, won 1 and received coach of the year in first 3 yrs of his coaching career? I'll wait. Till then you got nothing but that frappy record you play over and over
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More *untruths*
Jun 20, 2012, 11:14 PM
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All coaches have hired and fired assistants.
Not many coaches win two 1-A division championships and a BCS conference crown within their first 3 years of head coaching either. Has there ever been anyone to do that?
Plus 2011 was not mediocre, not by any stretch, not even your twisted imagination.
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Dabo is becoming a legend at Clemson
Jun 20, 2012, 2:10 PM
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1) Daboisms--team members love these
2) Dabo excitement after games--the nation loves this!
3) Dabo telling fans to meet team at DV after big win
4) Dabo doing what is right and living by a moral code
5) Dabo going from a difficult home life to coach of
Clemson
6) Dabo -the best recruiter in cfb--hands down
7) Dabo winning the ACC for 1st time in 20 years
8) Dabo not perfect--but working hard and I mean hard to
get it right and to make Clemson a solid built and
annual champion
9) C.J. Spiller and the napkin
10) Dabo going from assistant to head coach--who does
that happen to? (and making the most of it--how many
#### an opportunity like this away because they
don't have a vision and roll up their sleeves to
achieve it?)
Folks these are all things that will be legend one day and I love it!
Add more if you have them.
Go Tigers!!!!!
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All these things mean nothing,
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Winning is what's important. He won 10 games last year and the ACC, both very good things that should be pointed out. But you can't forget about the OB performance and the fact that our players were begging WVU to lighten up. Dabo swore he would bring back the toughness that Clemson football used to be about and so far he has failed if our players our begging the other team to stop playing hard.
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Re: All these things mean nothing,
Jun 20, 2012, 2:52 PM
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I'm not trying to argue with you, and I hope it doesn't come across that way, but where did you hear our guys were begging WVU to lighten up. This is something I had not heard before.
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Re: All these things mean nothing,
Jun 20, 2012, 3:08 PM
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Like Usuck and WVU players were going to say something good about us. BTW don't believe everything you read !!
SMH
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Re: All these things mean nothing,
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Clicked on the link. Got a 404 error. Page removed. While no one could argue; there was every indication the Tigers gave up, it's hard to believe any player, especially a Tiger, would beg an opponent to take it easy. When I came up if you did something like that; if your teamates didn't run you off, the coach sure would have.
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He's an upgrade from what we had..with absolutely no exp.
Jun 20, 2012, 2:19 PM
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so i'm happy with him. The guy is probably the best recruiter in the country. I tell you one thing..if he ever gets canned here at Clemson, schools will be lining up to get him on campus as their lead recruiter..namely Saban since he's nabbed just about all of our recruiting guys.
I like him though..He's trustworthy and genuine as an individual and has a passion for winning. His only thing will be once his OC and DC take HC jobs somewhere what will be his status then. I don't doubt he'll get another good crop of coordinators in here but that day is coming folks.
If our offense rolls this year better than last year..then Morris will be nabbed by somebody.
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Re: He's an upgrade from what we had..with absolutely no exp.
Jun 20, 2012, 8:37 PM
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"if he ever gets canned here at Clemson, schools will be lining up to get him on campus as their lead recruiter"
HA! he already had that job...@ Clemson
he is a great recruiter
he is not a great football coach
Morris saved Dabo's rear last year
Did you see how Boyd looked in the spring before Morris came in
Morris is coaching this team...He coaches on the sidelines...Dabo listens in like a puppy dog
If it works...and he can retain quality assistant coaches he can be successful @ CU...BUT we may be a bit schizo on both sides of the ball as great assistants come and go
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There goes that wild imagination again.
Jun 20, 2012, 11:41 PM
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Stories. It's all you have.
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Two major strengths, 1) confident enough to surround with
Jun 20, 2012, 2:30 PM
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strong people (morris, venables) unlike an insecure corporate exec who intentionally keeps the bench cold to stay in power. 2. obvious, recruiting/sales.
Now, I still say HE himself is not a X's and O's guy on the highest level (and people BASH me for it, thats fine) but he recognizes that now and is filling that aspect in with the right assistants.
Its not a bash, different guys are good top men in different ways. His model can work fine so long as he recognizes who is what and who does what.
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Re: Two major strengths, 1) confident enough to surround with
Jun 20, 2012, 3:17 PM
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everyone thinks I'm a hater but I completely agree with this.
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Silent majority agrees 100%***
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Re: Silent majority agrees 100%***
Jun 20, 2012, 3:16 PM
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The silent majority who just want to thumbs up instead of explaining why agree. The people who think for themselves and make up their own minds don't.
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Re: Dabo bashing
Jun 20, 2012, 3:19 PM
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they, like me, question the toughness of his teams. among other things.
When your players are asking the other teams players to take it easy on them-as ours did during the W Va game--the coaching comes to the surface as an issue.
And, personally, I don't want to hear all that religious crap. Just football. Leave the church at home. I don't care about his church or his sunday school
I can get you a baptist preacher real cheap. I want a real football coach.
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Re: Dabo bashing
Jun 20, 2012, 3:20 PM
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I agree one-hundred percent. In order to build a program you need people to buy into the system and support its' leaders. Clemson has been a program that consistently brings in talent, but if we have a couple bad years CU fans are quick to place blame on the coach, which may be the problem. I'm guilty as well. However, If we buy into Dabo's philosophy and style of coaching then we can build upon the talent we have rolling in, ultimately producing a top contending team for the ACC on a consistent basis. If we can year- in -year out compete for the ACC title, then we will arrive to the national stage. It all starts with supporting the coach.
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Re: Dabo bashing
Jun 20, 2012, 3:38 PM
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His style of coaching is losing to USCjr because we have to concentrate on winning the crappy ACC and then losing bowl games. I'm not buying into that.
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What you should buy is a team improving and getting better
Jun 20, 2012, 3:59 PM
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In 1977 it took some bumps to even begin to get to Number 1 in 1981. A beat down by Pitt in the Gator Bowl. A slaughter at Maryland in 80. Closes loses to UNC and UGA in 80. A miracle win over VIP. And so on. Same coach from 1979-1981.
Put it in percpective--the story is still unfolding-and is exciting. Are you giving your tickets up this year or are you so excited to see what the Tigers can do that you can hardly stand it?
GO TIGERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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AThomas... I agree.***
Jun 20, 2012, 4:17 PM
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We were nobodys back then and were fighting to be a
Jun 20, 2012, 11:46 PM
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somebody. Comparing clemson now to clemson then is stupidity. And TB rebuilt the program and deserved to be fired for chronic under achieving. Dabo took over a program ready to explode and is under achieving just like TB.
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Two division titles and a conference crown in a BCS
Jun 20, 2012, 11:53 PM
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conference. That's not underachieving at all.
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are you basing your thoughts of Dabo
Jun 21, 2012, 7:41 AM
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on 2 division titles? REALLY? The division where our only competition is an FSU team that can't beat Wake Forest?
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Rock Defender [53]
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Well that and the conference crown, plus the fact we just
Jun 21, 2012, 12:59 PM
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had our most succesful season in 20 years and finished in the top 25 for the second time in 3 years, whereas your school has only done it 7 times in 115+ years.
Please Ned, if you're going to repeat the same overused and abused nonsense, at least do it with one handle. Thanks.
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CU Guru [1123]
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dude can you get off my jock?
Jun 21, 2012, 5:56 PM
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I don't mind arguing with people but you're obsession with me has to end. I'm not ned. If you want to discuss Dabo, then discuss Dabo.
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Rock Defender [53]
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I'm replying to your replies Ned.
Jun 21, 2012, 6:01 PM
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It's the way things work on message boards.
So tell me, what time are Lowcountry_Rutard and DukeRules checking in today?
Ned.
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Re: I'm replying to your replies Ned.
Jun 21, 2012, 6:12 PM
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How did I create a handle in 2008, before you were on Tigernet, and now I'm some random person ned?
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Rock Defender [53]
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LMBO.
Jun 21, 2012, 6:18 PM
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You are one crazy dude Ned. And I don't mean *crazy* in good way.
Keep up the comedy Ned. It's good stuff. Tell Lowcountry_Ruhtard and DukeRules I said *hey*.
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can you make one post about football please?
Jun 21, 2012, 6:24 PM
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I may have a different opinion than people on the board, but hell, at least I'm talking about football.
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Rock Defender [53]
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Look above and below Ned. I've made several butt-kicking
Jun 21, 2012, 6:40 PM
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replies to your *football* vitriolic nonsense.
But let's not forget, it was you, Ned, who chose to go down this path.
No problem though. The butt-kickings will continue if you so choose. Ned.
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Re: What you should buy is a team improving and getting better
Jun 21, 2012, 7:32 AM
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Let me tell you first of all, I'll always be there no matter what. I'm always excited. I am just not as content as many on here with being a pretty good team in the ACC. If I'm an outcast because of that belief, I'm happy to be an outcast.
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Rock Defender [53]
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You're more than an outcast Ned.
Jun 21, 2012, 1:00 PM
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The description *social invalid* comes to mind.
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I agree, Dabo brings out the pride and true privilage to
Jun 20, 2012, 4:56 PM
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be a part of Clemson University. Obviously his players/recruits see that and are committed and love Clemson. Yes football is about W and Ls, but growing up with Clemson in my blood and after graduating from the special place, I cherish a coach who loves to bring out the best in Clemson and show it to the nation. Yes he's young and learning, but he's passionate and that really does show. Time will tell how good he really can become!
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Re: I agree, Dabo brings out the pride and true privilage to
Jun 20, 2012, 7:21 PM
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Well said!
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Re: Wow you people are delusional. I've never seen such
Jun 21, 2012, 1:50 AM
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You're welcome to leave, and don't let the door hit you in the rear. If you feel the way you do, go find another team, because you're obviously unhappy being here.
MOST people on here, are here because they enjoy Clemson, and everything about it..'except for the Coots, and there are quite a few of those that enjoy Clemson much more than you apparently do,judging by their comments.
I really do feel sorry for you,...
what a miserable existence. I've watched in amazement over the last year.
The stress you are adding to your life.
Have or Do, you ever say anything positive?
That's a serious question.
food for thought..
GO TIGERS!!!
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Re: Wow you people are delusional. I've never seen such
Jun 21, 2012, 8:10 AM
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I'm not saying to be blindly loyal. If there were no signs of improvement or valid attempts to do so, then I say kick him to the curb. Dabo was completely inexperienced and learning everything on the job. He made some bad hires on assistants but he moved on and made changes as necessary. He wants this team to get better. As for the toughness of the team, there has been some improvement in this but they still have a long way to go. Everyone can see that and I'm sure Dabo does to. It's a work in progress. Think about the Maryland game and the GT losses last year. Those were moments under Bowden when things could have gotten really ugly but these guys kept going and were able to win the Maryland game and not completely lose everything they'd worked toward after the GT loss and were able to still win the ACC. I'm not saying to give him 10 years of the same old Clemson, but give him time to achieve what he wants which is much of what everyone here wants which is a top notch perennial BCS contender.
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How is Dabo responsibile for the SOS????
Jun 21, 2012, 9:09 AM
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The dadgum schedules are made out 6-8 years or more in advance based on current information. If the other 11 schools scheduled have down recruiting years, SOS goes wacky. If they are Top 10, it benefits us.
As I remember, Coach Swinney took over in 2008 mid-season.
Think, WHM(Fred Lorenzen, 1963).
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I have been one of Dabo's solid backers
Jun 21, 2012, 11:38 AM
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but, really, it's time to move on.
His record speaks for itself - both the good and the bad. He has a ton of good qualities that have helped him - and by extension, us - through a tremendously difficult period for the program. One hopes he holds true to his principles over the remainder of his career wherever it takes him.
As to those that are bashing - Blue Caddy, et al - no response is necessary. Their 'opinions' belie the facts, and they come off sounding not only stupid, but also petty. Since it's their basic personality, Coots always have a way of coming round to that in the end...
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Without a doubt, the best counter-dumper post I've read.***
Jun 21, 2012, 2:29 PM
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