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For those people on t-net calling for Biden's resignation even going is far as impeachment..
Aug 27, 2021, 6:17 PM
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Did you keep this same energy after the 9/11 attacks?..
Did you hear democrats calling for Dubya to resign or to be impeached after those attacks?..
Did some of you wanted to Dubya to resign or to be impeached?.....
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All-In [40925]
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LOL how old are you?
Aug 27, 2021, 6:22 PM
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You obviously do not remember that day or were too young to understand what happened.
W was very Presidential and his approval rating went through the roof with the way he handled it.
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Re: LOL how old are you?
Aug 27, 2021, 6:29 PM
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Very good question. How old are you? Does this guy really think the 2 events are comparable? I think he’s a high school kid and quoting something his liberal teacher said. I’m serious about that.
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Legend [19900]
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Easy there
Aug 27, 2021, 6:46 PM
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GSC may be a creepy lil beyotch at times but she ain't a H.S. kid... give the kids some credit.
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Orange Blooded [4679]
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Re: Easy there
Aug 27, 2021, 6:48 PM
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Lol. My apologies to the kids.
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All-In [40344]
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There’s a she around here?***
Aug 27, 2021, 6:53 PM
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Re: LOL how old are you?
Aug 27, 2021, 7:03 PM
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and Trump was impeached for a phone call that upset Lt. Col. “Jelly Donut” Vindman.
Nothing insane or radical about that. No sir.
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Wow...you actually wasted time in writing this.
Aug 27, 2021, 6:56 PM
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And wasted mine in reading it.
Pure idiocy.
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All-TigerNet [12030]
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Here is your answer:
Aug 27, 2021, 7:11 PM
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Al Qaeda attacking us on 9/11 is not similar to the completely predictable, avoidable crisis happening in Kabul.
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Better comparison would be 1983 Beirut
Aug 27, 2021, 8:10 PM
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241 Marines were killed by two truck bombs while guarding our embassy in Beirut. President Reagan gave one of the most moving speeches ever by a President, promised to pay back the terrorists. Then he cut and run a few months later. Amazingly no one thought he should’ve been impeached by that sad set of circumstance.
What sucked about the Beirut moment is that Osama Bin Laden used that ugly piece of American history as a cheap rhetorical shot against the USA every chance he got.
I’d expect the same point to be made by the next OBL some day soon.
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Re: Better comparison would be 1983 Beirut
Aug 27, 2021, 8:16 PM
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Exactly the same , one was completely unknowable & the other was completely avoidable. I’ll leave it to you to figure out the difference.
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Orange Blooded [2692]
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both situations were avoidable, but Kabul more so***
Aug 27, 2021, 8:38 PM
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Cut and run???
Aug 27, 2021, 8:40 PM
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The ship I was on shot more than 600 rounds of gunfire support into Beirut following that incident. I was there, in CIC, for every round that was fired. And other ships fired upon them as well - including the USS New Jersey. Where were you? If on the beach then you can just say "Thank you" and move on. If not, the same applies.
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Re: Cut and run???
Aug 27, 2021, 9:58 PM
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Thank you.
I was talking about President Reagan. He was the politician, like Biden, most responsible for the policies that put you and your fellow servicemen and women in danger to begin with and shame on you for implying that I don’t respect the sacrifice.
https://foreignpolicy.com/2014/02/07/when-reagan-cut-and-run/
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Re: Cut and run???
Aug 27, 2021, 10:15 PM
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Well, I apologize that I came on so strongly with my reply. I personally do not think President Reagan made the wrong choice in getting the troops out. Being in the Navy I knew what my mission was but I can't say I ever really understood the marines mission - just too many issues over there. Always has been, always will be. But, I did not mind following the orders given by the president at that time...he certainly did not abandon any troops that I am aware of. One thing the current president has certainly been part of doing in the past....and again.
But, please accept my apology for offending.
Message was edited by: HuntClub®
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Re: Cut and run???
Aug 27, 2021, 11:37 PM
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It’s all good, I’d probably feel strongly about it if I was there as well. It must have been a wild tour. The 80s were weird. The height of the Cold War and then Middle East terrorists running around.
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Re: Cut and run???
Aug 27, 2021, 10:58 PM
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Lot o points [155799]
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There's a helluvalot more nuance to it than that......
Aug 27, 2021, 11:18 PM
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Beirut was a bigger clusterfluck than Afghanistan was, with factions from Syria, Lebanon, Iran, Israel and the Palestinians all seemingly at odds. Supposedly Reagan did approve a joint attack with France into Iran to target the perpetrators but Weinberger prevented it from happening. Congress was all over Reagan's asssss to get out and he didn't do so until Syrians had overran West Beirut. A lot more lives were saved by the withdrawal and it was a no-win situation.
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Orange Blooded [2692]
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Yeah, I do give Reagan some credit
Aug 27, 2021, 11:51 PM
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Lot of hawks were trying to talk him into going into Iran, but the height of the Cold War, he knew it was not the right time and also didn’t want to send the oil markets into another tail spin.
One thing leaving the scene after so many marines died created was a credibility problem. Beirut, along with Somalia and Vietnam, was used by people like OBL to label us “soft and weak” in their propaganda.
OBL predicted we would leave the same way as Reagan in Beirut and Biden is proving him correct.
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That whole area was a mess...
Aug 29, 2021, 10:11 AM
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And the US did not "go in" until the peace deal that was signed was broken...and there was an assassination that took place. The US did not go in alone and it was primarily a peace keeping mission. Now, one thing that sticks in my mind (I believe I am correct on this) but the marines standing guard at the time of the barracks attack were not even allowed to stand their watch with weapons loaded - they had ammo with them but had no option to fire in self defense in a timely manner - especially at vehicles approaching. It was, as it proved to be, a disaster waiting to happen.
We were actually in Grenada at the time of the Barrack incident but then made our way to Beirut and fired over 600 rounds of gunfire support into Beirut into late February 1984. I watched Syrian aircraft run missile exercises against us on radar. There was one night, while on watch, that I flipped over to the gunfire radar and picked up an object moving from shore and headed straight at us. A marine patrol boat was sent to intercept but they found nothing... until they caught a remote controlled model airplane in their night vision being flown at us. We did successfully navigate in a way to avoid being hit by the model plane - an intel alert went out shortly after to all ships advising of model aircraft being loaded with explosives and would be used to attack ships with. I give God the credit for my looking at that radar when I did - it was not a standard everyday radar to use - only used when doing gunfire support to help us lock position with the shoreline.
Two gunfire support missions that really stick out - 1) a marine spotter going nuts when we hit an ammo dump and had multiple explosions for that hit. We were at the time firing ground burst followed with air burst...to prompt them to take cover on the ground and then to bust their [...] while they were. 2) Saving a SEAL group from attack because of a Newsweek report that detailed their position - described the area and specifically a bombed out structure they were using as their cover. If I could have found that reported upon return to the States he would have another story to write...
Anyway, sailors and soldiers do as ordered. God bless them and keep them safe from the enemy and those who would direct their actions without care.
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I mean his admin provided material aid to the Taliban....***
Aug 27, 2021, 8:33 PM
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How about October 23,1983?
Aug 27, 2021, 8:54 PM
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Terrorists suicide bombers are POS but unfortunately effective.
Controlling and minimizing self targets is critically in any operation. Easy to say but hard to do when the operation is dependent on engaging the people in a country.
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Re: For those people on t-net calling for Biden's resignation even going is far as impeachment..
Aug 27, 2021, 11:48 PM
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Your comparison of Bush and Biden is not valid.
I barely remember Kennedy, but every President since then appeared to be cognitively intact to me.
I believe Biden is cognitively impaired and should do the country a favor and step aside. It’s sad to see, but it’s like watching your grandfather being forced to give up the keys to his automobile. Biden has no business being in charge of the country. That was true on Inauguration Day. Recent developments only support the danger of 3 1/2 more years.
Harris is more liberal than Biden, but her mental faculties are intact. That should be a minimal requirement to sit in the Oval Office.
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I agree with you, and I believe I would think the same
Aug 28, 2021, 12:08 AM
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if my ideology matched Joe's. The phrase "elder abuse" gets thrown out a lot, but as someone with a lot of dementia and alzheimers in my family, it's legitimately painful and uncomfortable for me to watch him up there.
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Re: I agree with you, and I believe I would think the same
Aug 28, 2021, 5:19 AM
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It really is painful. . Anyone paying attention saw this during the campaign and yet people voted for him anyway. I said back then he won’t make 2 years. It’s time for him to go. He’s coming apart and of course that’s what happens under stress with dementia. But oh goody look who’s on deck. What a mess.
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Re: For those people on t-net calling for Biden's resignation even going is far as impeachment..
Aug 28, 2021, 10:07 AM
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W....will probably go down as the worst president in US modern history.
Pick your poison...
W
Trump
Biden
All so awful.
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All-In [40925]
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At one point in his Presidency, W had the highest
Aug 28, 2021, 3:04 PM
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approval rating of any president since the 40's when they started tracking approval ratings.
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Re: At one point in his Presidency, W had the highest
Aug 28, 2021, 3:44 PM
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Because of 9/11. We are were all unified and being nice. He is the worst president and anyone who supported was and if if I still alive a moron. We are all dealing with his idiocy today. You you should have your voting rights revoked of you still thing he was good. I like him as a human being. He seems like he would be a good friend. Absolute idiot as far presidents go.
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Resignation is one thing (I definitely don't expect it)
Aug 28, 2021, 2:59 PM
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But impeachment doesn't make any sense. I don't believe there's any precedent for impeachment for incompetence. That's what the 25th amendment is for. I believe it's fairly inarguable that impeachment is, Constitutionally, a matter of conduct, particularly illegal conduct. If the suggestion is that the President has purposefully caused some harm to the country, that's different, but I don't think anyone thinks that.
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