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Orange Blooded [3547]
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Create a new conference
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Mar 5, 2023, 9:10 PM
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With the idea thrown out there about Clemson and some other ACC schools like FSU leaving to form a whole new conference, what are some other teams that would be likely to join along and some teams that would actually make the conference a power conference?
I believe there is an 8-team minimum
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Re: Create a new conference
Mar 5, 2023, 9:49 PM
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Clemson Florida State Oregon Washington
UNC NC State. Cal Stanford
Ok State Baylor UVA. Va Tech
Kansas. K State Arizona. AZ St
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Orange Blooded [2594]
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Re: Create a new conference
Mar 5, 2023, 9:51 PM
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Those left out from the ACC, Big 12 and PAC create a lower level conference
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Re: Create a new conference
Mar 6, 2023, 12:22 PM
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Looks good, but I would not include the left coast. Instead I would add West VA and Wake. ( Wake isn't usually a power house, though they've had good teams and are well respected especially in academics. Plus they stuck their necks out for us once or twice.
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The Kansas and Arizona schools are no value added...
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Mar 6, 2023, 3:31 PM
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for football. Might as well keep Pitt, BC, and Cuse.
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Re: Create a new conference
Mar 5, 2023, 9:53 PM
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Never happen for all kinds of reasons with the big one being revenue. The only reason to even give it a second thought would be if you could somehow convince ND to buy into the package but again, too many variables and too much risk to the institutions mentioned to give it any serious consideration.
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Re: Create a new conference
Mar 5, 2023, 9:58 PM
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Clemson, fsu, Miami, unc
usc, UCLA, Oregon, Washington
Texas, Oklahoma, Utah, Oklahoma state
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Re: Create a new conference
Mar 5, 2023, 10:08 PM
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I don't think 4 of your teams would even be available having already agreed to join other conferences but then again, it is a wish list.
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Re: Create a new conference
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Mar 5, 2023, 10:17 PM
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No UNC and USC. Add Penn St.
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Re: Create a new conference
Mar 6, 2023, 10:46 AM
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Nah, the idea is to create a conference that would attract a large ESPN contract. Aside from the teams already in the ACC who would join you? Certainly not any SEC or Big 10 teams. The remaining teams probably aren’t going to move the dial enough to justify leaving the ACC. The only exception would be Norte Dame, who isn’t joining any conference anytime soon, let alone some second class startup conference.
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Orange Blooded [4056]
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No one is leaving the B1G or SEC....
Mar 6, 2023, 11:47 AM
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Again, we are going to be fine....just gotta work through the details....Dabo has said where this is going. Believe him here....
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Re: Create a new conference
Mar 6, 2023, 11:56 AM
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Here is a conference that would host football only.
Non-revenue sports would stay in their current conferences.
Texas, Oklahoma, LSU, Bama, Auburn, Tennessee, UGA, FLA, FSU, Clemson, Miami, UNC, NCST, Va Tech, (Ga Tech, UVA)
Ga Tech and UVA would be added only because 8 teams can break the GoR without penalty.
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Re: Create a new conference
Mar 6, 2023, 11:58 AM
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Clemson
FSU
Miami
Va Tech
UNC
NC State
Pitt
Louisville
That's 8 ACC teams that could group together and disband the league. Invite West Va in and that's a very attractive 9-team football division, with big brands and vested programs and fan bases. Cut a media deal around the football product this would produce.
Invite the remaining former ACC teams to create a 2nd division for football, as well as combining for all other sports.
Ga Tech
UVA
Wake
Duke
BC
Syracuse
Then add 3 geographically attractive G5 schools to round out that 2nd division and contribute in other sports. UConn, USF, Memphis, Temple come to mind here.
Only schedule 6 games within each division and 2 cross-division games (or 3 if the 3rd was an annual home game for the top division - that would fill our current home G5 game slot).
Division winners could play for the league title, allowing for any member to claim the automatic CFP berth and a shot at a national title.
Call it The Big Atlantic, keep our sports largely closer and geographically aligned, and own east coast college sports from now and forward.
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Re: Create a new conference
Mar 6, 2023, 12:02 PM
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That would be pointless, because it wouldn't increase revenue, which is the entire point.
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Re: Create a new conference
Mar 6, 2023, 12:27 PM
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Then you missed where the Breakaway 8 (9 with West Va) would negotiate their own media deal based on that division and scheduling alignment before inviting the others back in for a 2nd football division, with its own media deal. We would share the 20% that's allocated for basketball and other sports.
This would constitute 50% more nationally marketable and premium football content per year than we put out today, simply by better leveraging the football programs and their scheduling. We and our new Big Atlantic division-mates would own that overage.
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Re: Create a new conference
Mar 6, 2023, 1:27 PM
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I didn't miss it. It just wouldn't work because none of the networks would play separate contracts ro each division.
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Legend [16240]
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Re: Create a new conference
Mar 6, 2023, 2:28 PM
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The separate payout per division structure would largely be an internal element for this 'new' league. The 8 would negotiate a per team average for that division's worth of football content and a per team average for the 2nd division's football content, plus all other sports as one together. If they added a West Va they would come in at an additional upper division share rate, not diluting anyone. Programs added to the 2nd football division to round that out would do the same. Keep the same agreement with Notre Dame also but have them schedule 4 (or 3 occasionally) annually versus the top group's teams, and 1 and occasionally a 2nd for the 2nd group.
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Re: Create a new conference
Mar 6, 2023, 3:44 PM
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The problem is, you are still adding the same basic teams that were in the conference before, so no additional value has been added.
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Re: Create a new conference
Mar 6, 2023, 4:41 PM
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If you schedule our football powers together more often via the separate division structure, you significantly grow the amount of premium football content its participants can offer each season. If we are replacing BC, Wake, and Syracuse with a Va Tech, Miami, or Pitt - annually - that moves the needle on the viewership side, which is what generates the $$$. Same goes for most of the upper division participants I named. Today it's watered down with too many programs that nobody really cares much about mixed in every week. Scheduling the powers against each other more often offers a big boost at the top end, because those are the moneymakers. On the lower end, viewership is low enough where the value drop is less noticeable. Mixing a few crossovers between divisions would keep old rivalries intact and interest higher than otherwise.
Same teams mostly, yes, but with divisions and subsequent football scheduling that better leverages our strengths, to ours and our peers financial advantage, while minimizing the weaknesses.
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Re: Create a new conference
Mar 6, 2023, 8:34 PM
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No, it doesn't. Clemson vs. Miami or Virginia Tech doesn't bring in nearly enough revenue to close the gap between the SEC and Big Ten.
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Re: Create a new conference
Mar 6, 2023, 8:54 PM
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It does. Do the maths. It's there.
And we're the big fish in the deal to boot. We don't have to take orders from Birmingham or Columbus.
If we schedule our premier football programs against each other more often, we will have a much more valuable Saturday on average to sell Joe Sports Guy. Those of us participating in that kind of division would earn the overage it generates. I put it at 40-50% more than our current pace on value. If there's no ACC anymore, it's an open market with ESPN, FOX, and NBC on what to do with the next iteration.
Add a retooling of CFP school payouts to reward participants extra, and divvied among divisions differently also.
Dabo himself has spoken of a condensed version of top football having to separate out in some fashion. We have the pieces to do that now in the current ACC footprint and makeup and begin the process. Factoring in all of the other sports, bus rides and day trips is the way to go, not jetting cross country for a weekend of baseball.
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You understand...
Mar 6, 2023, 9:55 PM
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...that if we disbanded the conference in order to reconstitute into a better conference that was theoretically a more valuable conference on a per-team basis, ESPN would sue the sh!t out of the teams that voted to disband the conference for breach of contract, right?
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Re: Create a new conference
Mar 6, 2023, 12:41 PM
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What should have happened is instead of the Big 12 jumping so quick to add Group of Five teams they could have taken Clemson and 7 other ACC schools (FSU, Miami, GT, UNC, NCSU, UVA, VT) to create the Big 16 conference with 9 teams in the East (including WVU) and 7 in the west.
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Orange Blooded [2418]
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Re: Create a new conference
Mar 6, 2023, 2:04 PM
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Clemson
FSU
Miami
Louisville
UNC
NCSt
Uva
VTech
Just a 1 year deal then everyone goes where they really want to go.
7 conference games means a bonus OOC game.
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Re: Create a new conference
Mar 6, 2023, 2:10 PM
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Won't happen.
All the teams understand that 2 to 4 teams included in this new league will bolt for the B1G or SEC once the door is opened (hopefully, Clemson would be one of them), leaving the other 4-6 teams without a home.
The only way for 8 teams from the ACC to agree to this is for all 8 to be offered a landing spot once the new league is formed. OR I guess we could set up a GOR clause within the paperwork....
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Orange Blooded [3044]
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Re: Create a new conference
Mar 6, 2023, 9:30 PM
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Let's keep it simple. Since the measly TV contract is the culprit, just dissolve the conference voiding the contract. Immediately the same ACC teams form a new conference and seek bids for a new contract.
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Re: Create a new conference
Mar 6, 2023, 9:57 PM
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Let's keep it simple. Since the measly TV contract is the culprit, just dissolve the conference voiding the contract. Immediately the same ACC teams form a new conference and seek bids for a new contract.
ESPN would sue the schools that voted to disband for breach of contract.
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Orange Blooded [3044]
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Re: Create a new conference
Mar 7, 2023, 5:17 AM
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"ESPN would sue the schools that voted to disband for breach of contract."
If that is the case, won't ESPN also sue individual schools leaving the conference? So not only does the conference receive the huge buyout from any team leaving, ESPN also receives a payment.
I think what is surfacing with all of our brainstorming ways to leave the ACC is that there is realistically no way. What's left is the ACC getting ESPN to modify the contract in our favor. And that hinges on how much ESPN is currently making on the deal.
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