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Trump tried to overturn an election he knew he had lost.
Jun 14, 2022, 10:29 AM
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That's what yesterday's Jan 6th hearings exposed. Trump lashed out at Bill Barr because he understands how damning his testimony and that of the others in Trump's inner circle was to him. Trump knew/knows the election was not stolen. He was told repeatedly that it was ########.
The idea that Trump and his minions actually believed the election was stolen and simply pursued their legal options was and is a lie. Trump knew/knows Biden was a legitimately elected president and still orchestrated a plan to remain in power. Trump declared a victory he knew he had not won. He knew it on Jan 6th when he tried to obstruct an official proceeding - the Congressional certification of the election.
Trump's scheme was premeditated, deliberate corruption. The committee is doing a good job of connecting the dots and informing the public of the facts.
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but Fraud and Fauci both start with a F!***
Jun 14, 2022, 10:31 AM
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so there's your proof
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Re: Trump tried to overturn an election he knew he had lost.
Jun 14, 2022, 10:32 AM
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And T3 is perfectly OK with this.
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This is the most pressing issue today
Jun 14, 2022, 10:38 AM
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we must get to the bottom of this at all costs. If enough evidence is found, Trump should be impeached.
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Re: This is the most pressing issue today
Jun 14, 2022, 10:43 AM
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Do you agree with Bill Barr that Trump is detached from reality if he honestly believes the "stolen" election?
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I don't give 2 ##### about Trump he lies
Jun 14, 2022, 10:47 AM
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like most politicians. I don't know or care what he believes and hope that every person that broke the law on Jan 6th is brought to justice. I also hope every single looter or rioter that broke the law is brought to justice too.
We have major issues in our country right now, but dems going to dem.
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Then you should appreciate evidence of corrupt intent
Jun 14, 2022, 10:53 AM
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in your search for justice.
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congressional hearings are not needed
Jun 14, 2022, 10:56 AM
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if they have evidence of illegal acts, arrest Trump and try him in court.
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Congress doesn't have that power. All they can do is
Jun 14, 2022, 11:03 AM
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get the facts out the public and into the Congressional record. The relevant legal entities can take it from there if they choose.
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Re: Congress doesn't have that power. All they can do is
Jun 14, 2022, 11:07 AM
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....because 2 previously failed impeachments just weren't enough...
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Hall of Famer [22381]
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His corruption knows no bounds. The law is only intended to
Jun 14, 2022, 11:15 AM
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constrain his opponents.
But, don't sweat it dude. He'll be the GOP nominee for president.
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Re: I don't give 2 ##### about Trump he lies
Jun 14, 2022, 6:11 PM
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How many previous POTUS do you know of that are willing to ignore the empirical advice of their entire administration for the delusional advice of a crazy Guilliani? This is who you would be willing to possibly put back in the oval office. Conservatives have had numerous opportunities to purge this SOB from our politics but never mustered up the balls to do so. Now this lunatic is still relevant and it's because of people like you. Grow a pair and make the GOP reasonable again instead of the clown show we're seeing today.
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I want to see Trump back on Twitter and become the GOP
Jun 14, 2022, 10:48 AM
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nominee for President with a voting public well informed of the corruption surrounding the attack on the capitol to obstruct an official proceeding of Congress in an attempt to overturn an election.
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you might get your wish
Jun 14, 2022, 10:50 AM
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I don't want to have to vote for him and he has zero chance of getting my vote in the primary, but I'd vote for him 1000 times over Joe Biden
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Re: you might get your wish
Jun 14, 2022, 11:21 AM
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If that was the case (which it isn't) you would be cheerleading this investigation in hopes that it would finally flush DADDY and allow the GOP to once again become a rational and legitimate counter to the Democrats.
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Re: you might get your wish
Jun 14, 2022, 11:26 AM
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BT said... "and allow the GOP to once again become a rational and legitimate counter to the Democrats"
ARE YOU SERIOUS???
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Re: you might get your wish
Jun 14, 2022, 11:28 AM
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Re: you might get your wish
Jun 14, 2022, 11:33 AM
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That's pretty much what happens every midterm.
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its 2 yrs later. get over it. People got real problems right
Jun 14, 2022, 10:42 AM
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now like how to afford to live cause your boy sucks donkey ### and has destroyed a booming economy in less than 2 yrs. good job
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Re: its 2 yrs later. get over it. People got real problems right
Jun 14, 2022, 11:40 AM
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Remember when Gore/Lieberman were called SORE LOSERMAN because they dared to file one lawsuit in one state where Bush won by only a few hundred votes?
Now comes Trump with 60 lawsuits, who never concedes even after he loses lawsuit after lawsuit, lies to his adoring moron followers (who still believe him!) and holds a rally on the day of the certification to "protest" at the Capitol based on his lies. Sorest loser in the history of sore losers.
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ok? Tell me something we dont already know. He's always
Jun 14, 2022, 11:42 AM
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been a sore loser
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Re: ok? Tell me something we dont already know. He's always
Jun 14, 2022, 4:26 PM
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Forgot to add: There was no way a court could have reversed the count, given the thousands of votes ahead Biden was in each state. There were no Florida-in-2000 situations.
Which means the whole thing was an act, a lie, and a great money maker. Emails went out after the election to "stop the steal," which was nothing more than the latest Trump University-style scam to part the fools from their money. And they loved him as he stole from them.
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That was the most amazing piece of info in yesterday’s hearing.
Jun 14, 2022, 6:40 PM
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Trump didn’t merely challenge the election he lost out of pride or to rally his base, he did it because he stood to make many millions of dollars as a result.
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100% pre-meditated, deliberate, fraud
Jun 14, 2022, 10:46 AM
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This has been his MO really since his days with the USFL, lol.
He constantly tries to find the third party authority to hold up as a "see, even this guy says it was rigged, it must be true!" And people believe it.
He realizes he has no credibility and manipulates more credible people to give him what he lacks. It is his way of legitimizing propaganda. A few examples:
Trump to Comey: I want you to publicly announce that I’m not under investigation
Trump to Zelensky: I want you to make an announcement that you are investigating the Biden’s
Trump to DOJ: Just say the election was rigged and leave the rest to me
Notice a pattern?
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Re: 100% pre-meditated, deliberate, fraud
Jun 14, 2022, 11:14 AM
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Funny that the same people that cry about Trump are the same ones that have no problem with the Dems/FBI/CIA/DOJ falsifying evidence to investigate an opposition candidate.
Anyway, speaking of 100% pre-meditated fraud, Liberals to Americans:
Give us more money and we will end racism
Give us more money and we will end hunger
Give us more money and we will make kids smarter
Give us more money and we will cool the planet
Go after everyone with your fraud investigations please.
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Le WhatAbout Flagrante
Jun 14, 2022, 12:26 PM
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the lazy man's fallback defense. It really is kind of pathetic.
When you can't defend your boy, just resort to the usual stuff you hear on Fox and Friends.
Y'all need some new material, it's beyond stale.
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Re: 100% pre-meditated, deliberate, fraud
Jun 14, 2022, 5:44 PM
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100% correct! You think all of us would be stupid enough to believe that if Trump was still in office with the current economic/ inflation situation, you wouldn’t be able to go a single day without a dumb dem placing blame on him? Heyll, they did it with Covid and the whole Russia /Hellary fiasco!
Inflation under Trump- minimum
401K Under Trump- good
Stocks/ investments under Trump-Good
Gas under Trump-$1.40 - $1.90/ gallon
Food shortage under Trump- no issues
Crypto currency market under Trump- Prosperous
Inflation under Biden- Record High through Decades
401K investments- under Biden-Tank
Stock Market under Biden- what market?
Gas under Biden- All Time record high ( inflation or not)
Food shortages under Biden- bad and about to get worse according to farmers
Crypto currency under Biden- Plummeted by over half value.
The problem is that he has no clue or plan on how to get back on track. He is a leach that has latched on to the career of being a lying scum and made off pretty well using the ole buddy buddy system. Everyone is tired of his blank stares at the camera, stumbling of words, babbling incoherently in national AND Global spotlight, and it isn’t even struck year 2!
Good job Brandon!
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I see you got the memo. Do you think he intentionally lost
Jun 14, 2022, 10:51 AM
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so he could overthrow the government as Rachel Madcow now does?
It's sad how effective Pravda is
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No. I don't.
Jun 14, 2022, 10:59 AM
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He and his minions wanted to win so badly that they were willing to corruptly steal an election that they knew they had lost.
HTH.
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Give it a few days***
Jun 14, 2022, 3:01 PM
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Re: Trump tried to overturn an election he knew he had lost.
Jun 14, 2022, 11:45 AM
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so, what are the charges?
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I admit I haven't watched very much - what is the evidence
Jun 14, 2022, 12:36 PM
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that Trump knew he lost the election, and that Biden was the legitimately elected president?
Barr and others in his inner circle telling him that is NOT evidence that he knew or accepted it. What else was there?
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I actually believe that Trump truly believes the election
Jun 14, 2022, 12:43 PM
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was stolen. He laps up these conspiracy theories as much as his staunch supporters do.
I don't think the fact that his advisors were telling him otherwise proves that he knew it wasn't stolen. It just proves that he's as hard-headed as any other Trumpeteer (who truly believe the memes they see on Facebook).
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Exactly. Barr's testimony indicates as much.
Jun 14, 2022, 1:23 PM
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He said that he told Trump that stuff about the voting machines being rigged was BS, but apparently Trump didn't accept Barr's advice, as he said Trump was detached from reality, which indicates Trump still truly believed the election was stolen.
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That's not what he said, but you admit you didn't watch.
Jun 14, 2022, 2:03 PM
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"Boy, if he really believes this stuff...he has become detached from reality." He never said that Trump actually believed it.
In listening to his testimony, his point was that there was no way in Hades that Trump really believed this BS after everyone on his legal team and staff, as well as the DOJ, had investigated these accusations and found them to be completely unbelievable.
It was one of many witnesses that basically suggested a man trying desperately to find someone, anyone no matter how discredited by quackery or substance abuse, who was willing to give credence to his BS no matter how much those around him told him how ridiculous it was.
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Re: That's not what he said, but you admit you didn't watch.
Jun 14, 2022, 2:31 PM
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That's the sign of a competent leader, is it not. Dismiss advice and information from nearly everyone you hired, and seek out and absorb from drunk morons that tell you what you want to hear.
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For once you're spot on, because that's exactly what Trump
Jun 14, 2022, 3:06 PM
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did. He could not accept that he lost, and flat out refused to listen to anybody who disagreed. The sign of a massive, but fragile ego.
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Re: For once you're spot on, because that's exactly what Trump
Jun 14, 2022, 4:30 PM
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Here's the thing though...does it matter if he knew and lied, or was just so gonk in the head he's not responsible for somehow being unable to accept the truth that he lost?
Especially when out of the other side of his mouth Trump then says: "...but I'm still going to run for president in 2024."
Is that not the very definition of being "unfit for office"?
That's really what these hearings are ultimately about, no? I mean, I'd personally love to see him in an orange jumpsuit, but far more important to me is that he never gets within a mile of 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue again.
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Bingo! Exactly what I've said the whole time.
Jun 14, 2022, 7:29 PM
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The purpose of these hearings is to destroy Trump. That's it. Just so happens it's being carried out almost entirely by a crew that hated his guts and wanted to destroy him long before Jan 6, and that's what is wrong with this. It's a partisan hit job. These hearings aren't going to convince any hard core Trumpers of anything, and almost everybody else knows Trump lost and was "detached from reality" when he refused to accept the results. Still the people shoud have the right to vote for that guy again if he's broken no laws.
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It's exactly what he said. You are interpreting it through
Jun 14, 2022, 3:02 PM
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your own bias:
He told him it was BS: Among those who warned the then-president not to declare victory was former Attorney General Bill Barr, who in videotaped testimony said that he had repeatedly told Mr Trump there was no basis to claims of rigged voting machines or ballot "dumps" - which Mr Barr referred to as "crazy stuff".
Trump refused to accept it: Mr Trump, however, refused to acknowledge these concerns and continued to spread fraud claims, Mr Barr said. He testified that he was "demoralised" by his boss' claims.
Barr concluded that because he truly believed that nonsense, he'd become detached from reality: "I thought, 'Boy if he really believes this stuff, he has lost contact with - he's become detached from reality, if he really believes this stuff,'" he said.
https://news.yahoo.com/january-6-hearing-trump-detached-180255417.html
Show me the quote where Barr said Trump admitted to knowing he lost the election, or where Barr said Trump knew. Otherwise, stop spreading lies.
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You have some weird "logic." I watched the hearing.
Jun 14, 2022, 4:24 PM
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You did not.
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But, if you want to think Trump was detached from reality,
Jun 14, 2022, 4:28 PM
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go ahead. It's quite a leap to make to pretend he was detached from reality to avoid the fact that he had corrupt intent, but please, feel free.
Perhaps if you had seen all of the hearing and the witnesses, you would have a better understanding.
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Show me the quotes where Barr or any other witness confirms
Jun 14, 2022, 7:06 PM
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(not speculates) that Trump did not believe he won, and instead discussed the fact that he lost and was trying to overturn a legal, fair election. I'm not asking for opinions or "takeaways" (LOL!).
You hate Trump, and that is your right, but that hatred is clouding your ability to think objectively. I gave you direct quotes from Barr, who said that he believed "Trump was detached from reality if he believed that stuff". Media outlets ran with the headline "Trump detached from reality". I didn't make that up. If, as has been alleged, Trump was detached from reality, then it's very likely that he believed he won. Like I said, if you can provide quotes from the hearing which prove otherwise, I'd love to see them.
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Re: Trump tried to overturn an election he knew he had lost.
Jun 14, 2022, 1:25 PM
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Trump tried to save America. Unfortunately, Biden is in office finishing what Obama started. Trump has been gone for 1.5 years, this is Biden's America, and it sux.
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Trump tried to save his fragile ego
Jun 14, 2022, 5:54 PM
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He is first and foremost a narcissist. He will never admit he lost at anything. He was raised that way by a very domineering father. If good things happen to the American citizens in the process of him staying in office then that is a double victory for him. Don’t fool yourself. His 1st priority was not to go out a loser!!
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Dude you are having a
Jun 14, 2022, 6:44 PM
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bad TDS relapse. Seek medical help!
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