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CU Medallion [58377]
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Congarts to UGA - but it's still not right, and I still
Jan 12, 2022, 8:56 AM
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don't like it.
First, they didn't win their conference. That alone should disqualify them. Secondly, in not winning their conference, they lost the conference championship to Alabama in the final game of the season, then get to turn right around and play them again - a "do over" right away. I'm sorry, but no. Sure, the rematch was a great game, and I enjoyed it, but it proved nothing except that college football fans are hungry to see somebody crowned 'Champion" at the end of the season, and they want to see it played out on the field. Nothing against UGA - but the format that allows this to happen is unfair and it is wrong, and just more eveidence that we need a REAL playoff.
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best 1 out of 2***
Jan 12, 2022, 8:59 AM
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Orange Blooded [4745]
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Amen brother! It won't happen in 2022, as the NCAA said no
Jan 12, 2022, 9:02 AM
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to a 12 team playoff within the last week.
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Orange Blooded [2951]
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Doesn’t the CFP operate...
Jan 12, 2022, 4:04 PM
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....independent of the NCAA? Football remains the only sport that the NCAA does not sanction a national champion.
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Orange Blooded [3135]
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Please define your "real"
Jan 12, 2022, 9:04 AM
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I think an 8 team playoff is plenty. Sirius 84 said that the ACC wants an 8 team playoff to force ND's hand to join the league.
Power 5 champs + 3 others.
Home games for the high ranking teams in the first round.
Keep the powder puff games in the regular season to help build depth.
Unfortunately, if and when the playoff expands, you will see more El Cid and Wofford games. No one will want to play another UGa matchup early in the season. Save the team for a three round playoff at the end of the season.
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Orange Blooded [4745]
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I like an 8 team CFP, I'm hoping next year the NCAA
Jan 12, 2022, 9:19 AM
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reviews and approves an 8 team CFP. I was pushing for an 8 game CFP before the first CFP round in 2014.
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CU Medallion [58377]
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That would be an improvement. All conference champs must
Jan 12, 2022, 1:13 PM
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be included.
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Re: ??
Jan 13, 2022, 7:32 AM
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Just because a team wins a conf championship doesn't mean they're the best. Yep, sour grapes.
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Re:Let me ask a question
Jan 12, 2022, 9:05 AM
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After the seccg, was uga one of the 4 best teams in the country ? Who was better ?
Now, I'm the furthest thing from a bulldog fan.
Take the best 4. End of story.
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CU Medallion [58377]
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Define "Best" ... GO!***
Jan 12, 2022, 9:06 AM
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Re:Let me ask a question
Jan 12, 2022, 9:13 AM
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Agree with you 86. Georgia was clearly the best team through the regular season. They got beat in their conf championship by the second best team in the country. Yet….people say they shouldn’t have been in playoffs? So should Pitt have been in as a conference champ? Ha. They truly were the best team all year and deserved it. The best team took the trophy. What else to people want!!!!
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CU Medallion [58377]
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"Best" is entirely subjective, 100% a matter of opinion.
Jan 12, 2022, 9:23 AM
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We never know who the best team is, and never will. The "Best" is only the best that day. They may not be another day. That is a fact. Trying to determine who is "Best" is foolish, and is the wrong goal. The goal should simply be to crown a champion, determined fairly, by process of elimination, on the field (as much as possible), removing as much subjectivity as possible. Once a champion is crowned, arguments about who is "best" can continue, as the best teams don't always win.
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Re: Entirely subjective ?
Jan 13, 2022, 7:30 AM
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Ever heard of eye test ? No it's not hard to determine the top 4 teams. Of course it's harder as you choose more teams. If you watch much college football it's not hard to eye test to get top 4 teams. Would I rather see it settled on field ? Yes !
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Re:Let me ask a question
Jan 12, 2022, 10:57 AM
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I think that is where the discrepancy is. Yes they seemed like one of the 4 best teams using the eye test. but there is never any question about who makes the playoffs anywhere but the college level. it is a numbers game who gets in at the professional level. Just like this weekend. There was a scenario that could go 1 of three ways. Chargers win, them and the steelers are in, raiders win, them and steelers in, tie and the chargers and raiders are in. the team left out doesn't get in because they may have been one of the best teams according to opinion, they get left out because they didn't win the right game/games.
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Well at least they won their division unlike 2017 Bama....***
Jan 12, 2022, 9:22 AM
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Re: Congarts to UGA - but it's still not right, and I still
Jan 12, 2022, 9:30 AM
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the Giants were 8-8 wild cards when they beat the undefeated New England Patriots.
You gonna say they didn't deserve it too?
Teams that don't win conference championships in basketball get into the 64 team bracket. Do you complain about them too?
You say we need a "real playoff" but if we expanded to make it "real" there would be an even greater chance of a team not winning their conference but winning the championships.
Sounds like sour grapes to me, snowflake.
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CU Medallion [58377]
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LOL!
Jan 12, 2022, 1:06 PM
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The CFP is a beuaty pageant, plain and simple. If you like pageants so much, you might be the snowflake. When the Giants got into the playoffs, they weren't selected by beauty pageant judges, they met the predetermined criteria. They earned it on the field. Teams that don't win conference championships in basketball don't get in while other conference champions get left out. 32 teams qualify AUTOMATICALLY by winning their conferences; so they don't get left out in favor of the beauty pageant judges' darlings.
UGA had just lost to Alabama. Why do they get another shot? Why not let Cincinatti play them again? Or why not let ND or Baylor have a shot? They didn't just lose their last game to one of the other playoff teams! And lets not pretend that we can determine who deserves it by analyzing performance and schedule and all of that nonsense; "experts" prove repeatedly that they are terrible at that.
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You think that by adding teams like Ohio St, Oklahoma, and
Jan 12, 2022, 9:33 AM
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Oregon would have yielded another result?
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Re: You think that by adding teams like Ohio St, Oklahoma, and
Jan 12, 2022, 9:51 AM
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Yes, I used to want expanded playoffs, but the fact of the matter is the committee has gotten it right 95% of the time with the 4. Why should a 1 play a 12 seed? I can't think of a year when I felt any team seeded 6 or higher could beat the 1 seed. The extra game or 2 would cause more injuries which could affect the truly best team. It is not like basketball where you can pay 2 games in a weekend with no problem. I say stick to 4, 8 at the most.
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Re: You think that by adding teams like Ohio St, Oklahoma, and
Jan 12, 2022, 9:54 AM
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most 12 team bracket proposals I have seen give top 4 seeds a first round bye.
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Re: Congarts to UGA - but it's still not right, and I still
Jan 12, 2022, 9:54 AM
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The best team won on Monday and that makes them champs. The system is working, let it work.
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CU Medallion [58377]
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Did they? How do you know?
Jan 12, 2022, 1:12 PM
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They were the best that night. If they played again the next week, it could turn out differently, again. Trying to determine who is "best" is like chasing a ghost. We need to forget that concept and focus on determining a "Champion" through a process of elimination, as determined on the field, which is an entirely different thing. UGA should have been eliminated when Bamma beat them in the conference championship. They did not deserve a do-over in the very next game.
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I’ve heard it said “Oh, it’s harder to win the SEC Championship Game…
Jan 12, 2022, 10:10 AM
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Than the National Championship Game!”
~JKB
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Re: Congarts to UGA - but it's still not right, and I still
Jan 12, 2022, 10:13 AM
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don't like it.
First, they didn't win their conference. That alone should disqualify them. Secondly, in not winning their conference, they lost the conference championship to Alabama in the final game of the season, then get to turn right around and play them again - a "do over" right away. I'm sorry, but no. Sure, the rematch was a great game, and I enjoyed it, but it proved nothing except that college football fans are hungry to see somebody crowned 'Champion" at the end of the season, and they want to see it played out on the field. Nothing against UGA - but the format that allows this to happen is unfair and it is wrong, and just more eveidence that we need a REAL playoff.
When your team is considered one of the Top 4 teams in the country you occasionally get into the CFP even after losing your conference championship. Ga was ranked #1 at the time and lost to #3 Bama. Even with the loss Ga remained in the top 4 (#3) and earned their way into the Natty game by soundly beating #2 Michigan. By entering the SEC title game #1 Ga virtually assured themselves a place in the CFP even with a loss. I mean UGA lost to #3, beat #2 and then #1 for the Natty. This title was earned. It's really not that complicated.
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I understand how it works. The way it works is wrong.
Jan 12, 2022, 12:09 PM
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That's the whole point.
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bama boat raced them at full health***
Jan 12, 2022, 12:23 PM
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Re: Congarts to UGA - but it's still not right, and I still
Jan 12, 2022, 1:19 PM
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I agree 100%. I don’t like the format. I only wanna see conference winners in the playoffs.
I know, I know, ya’ll gonna say “but Georgia and Alabama were the two best teams.” That’s correct, but in my mind Georgia lost, got smoked, in the first round of the playoffs.
In the NFL the better team might lose in the first round of the playoffs. Life is tough. Go home. Eat what you kill.
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Re: Congarts to UGA - but it's still not right, and I still
Jan 13, 2022, 11:49 PM
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I agree 100%. I don’t like the format. I only wanna see conference winners in the playoffs.
I know, I know, ya’ll gonna say “but Georgia and Alabama were the two best teams.” That’s correct, but in my mind Georgia lost, got smoked, in the first round of the playoffs.
In the NFL the better team might lose in the first round of the playoffs. Life is tough. Go home. Eat what you kill.
If the conference championship games are the first round in the playoffs, why I'm the world did UGA play Alabama in the first round??
Doesn't the top ranked seed typically play the lowest ranked seed in the first round?
#1 Alabama played #2 Georgia
Pitt #15 played #16 Wake.
#10 Oregon played #17 Utah.
Would UGA vs Utah, Alabama vs Wake, Oregon vs Put been a better first round than we got?
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Wow, way off mark
Jan 12, 2022, 1:37 PM
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so then, when the #3 basketball team in the country lost the ACC conference title game to NCState in -what was it - 73? - and didn't get in the tourney b/c of it, then they didn't deserve to be in. So goes the reasoning.
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Re: Congarts to UGA - but it's still not right, and I still
Jan 12, 2022, 1:40 PM
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Winning the conference shouldn't even be a factor. Some conferences suck. Secondly, they were a top 2 team. The top 2 teams played. Hope they never change that system. I want the best teams to play. The Tampa Buccaneers didn't even win their division last year and they won the Superbowl. Let's just get the best teams to pla and sort it all out. That's what happened. The only thing I regret about it all is that Bama was missing 4 starters. I think Bama would have won with their 2 best 1st round draft pick type WR's and their starting cb's in the lineup.
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Imo the best two teams played.
Jan 12, 2022, 3:41 PM
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The playoff is a breath of fresh cool air to those who recall the BCS system. I'm good until they come up with a 64 team playoff and a system which does not require college kids to play more games.
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Re: Congarts to UGA - but it's still not right, and I still
Jan 12, 2022, 4:06 PM
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No congrats to UGA from me. Nothing positive for UGA is good for Clemson.
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Re: Congarts to UGA - but it's still not right, and I still
Jan 13, 2022, 11:38 AM
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Georgia won, they deserve it just like Clemson back in 1981. Everyone said back then we didn't deserve it. Four is a good number for the CFP. Always seems the top two teams are by far the best. The third is ok and the fourth is just a body to fill the last slot. Leave it at four teams. Not all teams deserve a trophy. That is what the other bowl games are for
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Re: Congarts to UGA - but it's still not right, and I still
Jan 14, 2022, 12:05 AM
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Call me crazy but I said after seccg exactly what ended up happening. UGA played so vanilla vs Bama and even looked like not even going full intensity at times. Kirby knew they were in regardless, having another sec power in helps the league…
And I think he knew he had the better team at almost every position. He wanted to beat Bama for the title and get his daddy off his back in the big one. It’s the seccg that was the anomaly, not the cfp title game.
Having said that either Clemson natty team from cfp era would best them muts.
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Re: Congarts to UGA - but it's still not right, and I still
Jan 14, 2022, 7:32 AM
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Sure it's right. The NCAA created and accepted a system based on the opinion of a committee. If you just look at the way Georgia beat Michigan or Alabama beat Cincinnati you would have to say neither of those teams deserved to be there also. Maybe we should have made Ohio state in there instead of Georgia? My wager is if you replaced Georgia with any other team in the top 10 Alabama would have won the championship by at least 17 points and probably more which would have been more proof that it would be pointless to put anyone in there other than Georgia. Then there is the fact the the match up occurred because Michigan could not beat Georgia the matchup occurred.
You can argue about winning the conference championship as long as you want but those are only items to consider in the current system not rules to determine elimination. So in the system that is the outcome is exactly right.
Even at the end of the season you would have to have your head in the sand to think the Georgia was not one of the four best teams in the country. Maybe we should have not been in the championship the year we lost to an unranked Syracuse. I bet the old Coots make this case on a regular basis.
All I am saying here really is that until we get into a genuine playoff system with perhaps an east and west NCAA champion facing each other for the national this system is working exactly as it is designed. You love it when it is in your favor and hate it when its not.
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Re: Agree 100 %
Jan 14, 2022, 11:35 AM
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It works right now, plain and simple. I don't know if OP is just really butt hurt about uga even "getting in" or what. I can not stand uga. Were they the best team ? Of course.
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