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Coaching hires
Jan 3, 2022, 9:32 PM
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With all the talk about Dabo promoting from within and only taking 30 seconds to consider anyone from the outside, does anyone else find it rather ironic that his 2 best and most productive coaching hires, (Venables & Morris) came from the outside? And, you could argue Bates was another influential hire who also came from the outside.
I hope it all works out but some of the decisions and comments over the last couple of years have certainly been head-scratchers.
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Re: Coaching hires
Jan 3, 2022, 9:42 PM
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To not include Elliot as being successful in his time here would be ignorant at best… also why don’t we let these hires shake out and judge in a few years… how do you know we don’t become significantly better on defense or offense? Time will tell but to make assumptions before the guys even get a chance is crazy… I mean Chad Morris was coaching high school ball before he came here. And to be honest I think Spiller has done a hell of a job with that rb room… that group is as good of a group that we have had especially with the youth.
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Re: Coaching hires
Jan 3, 2022, 9:46 PM
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Also, coach Spiller was challenged this year with a couple of guys who didn't want to be here. It could have been a mess, but he (and Dabo I'm sure) handled it smartly, without much drama.
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Re: Coaching hires
Jan 4, 2022, 12:07 AM
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You’re another Clemson fan that has there nose in the dirt. Spiller has never coached college football. And why Dabo didn’t go for a big time running backs coach I don’t have a clue. Dabo fired Andre Powell day after New Years & he was Hurt because he didn’t see that coming & he had recruited cj spiller so & is coaching Pittsburgh panthers for 5 years now as running back coach. He would be maki g a big impact now if he wAs stills there. So don’t think Dabo does dirty stuff coz he did!
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Re: Coaching hires
Jan 6, 2022, 12:31 PM
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Dear Marge,
The Clemson running backs excelled over the last 3-4 games. So, I would conclude that Coach Spiller knows exactly what he is doing. Have a wonderful day. I'll try to extricate my proboscis from the soil.
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Antone who doesn't know it was Dabo who
Jan 9, 2022, 4:48 PM
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landed Spiller is hardly worth listening to
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Re: Coaching hires
Jan 4, 2022, 12:15 AM
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You have that in college football. Spiller has no experience in coaching ! Dabo is sacred to bro g the best of the best in college football & this will take him down. You have let the best run your offense & defense but Dabo has a problem with hat. So you big fans keep beibei g in Dabo afte he’s going No 21 -18 at best in the rankings.
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Re: Coaching hires
Jan 4, 2022, 12:25 AM
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I can’t even comprehend that response to be honest lol try again … if I deciphered correctly I’m not even gonna entertain the argument that spiller didn’t deserve a #### at that and has VERY much proven his worth this year so that’s just a stupid jealousy comment from someone that has no idea what a well run program looks like
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Reed is churning out NFL corners left and right
Jan 3, 2022, 9:49 PM
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Conn has had how many safeties move on to the pros? Streeter 2 first round QB's.
People want flash and big names. Dabo wants coaches who make players the big names
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Re: Conn's NFL safeties (known + some guesses)
Jan 3, 2022, 10:22 PM
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Hi striper and all, here are some of our stud Safeties (coached by M.Conn); can't say how many of them have either made the NFL or stuck with NFL teams.
Isaiah Simmons (we all know him)
Kavon Wallace
Tanner Muse
Denzel Johnson (how did he do in NFL?)
Next up for NFL?
N.Turner (you never know; obviously a great college safety)
A.Mukuba (probably will make it, but won't know for another 2 years)
R.J.Mickens (who knows ... already a fine college safety)
Seems that Mickey Conn is a top-shelf coach of safeties, and safeties must be among the most knowledgeable defensive players. Clemson's success with safeties is an excellent reflection on M.Conn's coaching ability.
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Re: Reed is churning out NFL corners left and right
Jan 4, 2022, 12:01 AM
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So why couldn’t Streeter get DJ straightened out??? Because ya doesn’t know . Joe Brady took Burrow under his wings & showed him many things & you Clemson just live what Dabo does after national championship game but it doesn’t stop there you have to have the coaches to win a national championship games & Dabo doesn’t care. It that coz he’s getting his big salary so keep on thinking g Sabo is all about National championships.
He’s hired everyone within & whT you’re gonna get from that???? Same shot.
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Re: Reed is churning out NFL corners left and right
Jan 9, 2022, 4:00 PM
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Man do you have it right. Don't forget Reed. His NFL players are very impressive. our dl is also one that has been pretty impressive. You look at the rosters of the NFL teams and
you will see a great recievers every where Dabo isn't gonna put anybody in a coaching position unless he is ready and just because some are Clemson guys is all the better. Dabo has proven time and again that he is a great .judge of talent player or coach.
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Re: Coaching hires
Jan 3, 2022, 9:53 PM
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Morris had coached HS but his immediate job before he came to Clemson was running a very innovative, effective, fast paced offense at Tulsa as the OC. Morris was an EXCELLENT hire at the time from the outside that brought an identity to CLemson.
We’re so far in the opposite direction of that identity now that it’s unrecognizable. Tough to watch.
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Re: Coaching hires
Jan 3, 2022, 9:59 PM
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My point is making assumptions that this staff just bc they are hired within won’t be successful is pretty ignorant , let’s see how it shakes out… there’s is just as much probability that they make improvements on both sides than there is that it doesn’t work out… and I think we all know Dabo has an idea what he wants to do offensively with streeter but it’s kind of hard with our qb situation… until we upgrade or develop more there it’ll be much of the same.
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Kyle Richardson, who is flying under the radar,
Jan 3, 2022, 10:15 PM
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is going to be influential with the offense as well. Along with TE's he's assuming Streeter's old passing game coordinator title. Has back ground in the air raid system. One thing I definitely expect to see are new route trees added to the existing system, which they still want to be RPO with some zone read
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Re: Coaching hires
Jan 3, 2022, 10:17 PM
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Hey pheebo, have you looked in the trophy case since Morris left?
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Sure. Your point??***
Jan 3, 2022, 10:28 PM
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Re: Coaching hires
Jan 3, 2022, 10:23 PM
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I never said TE wasn't successful. He just wasn't the influential leader who changed our offense that made us who we were in our prime. Chad Morris gets that credit and TE rode that wave for as long as he could. Defenses adapted to what Morris put in place and Elliot never re-imagined the offense as Venables did on the defensive side. Venables kept us current, Elliot did not. Elliot was clearly an asset but he was not the innovator that Morris or Venables was.
As you said, time will tell. I just think a top 5 program where best is standard deserved a look at the best available coaches out there and if our internal team was the best then so be it but we never gave it a look.
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Re: Coaching hires
Jan 3, 2022, 10:34 PM
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I get that point but I also think ppl are underestimating the importance of continuity on a coaching staff with the landscape of college football and where it’s heading … yea go hire the top OC like for example Lebby… we make the playoffs and he’s offered more money or head coaching gig after first year or even second … with the portal/nil that just opens the door for more players to leave and recruits to jump ship… I think Dabo is thinking big picture… if streeter is successful (which lets be honest with our D and a decent qb we should be having a shot at the playoffs every year in the acc until it improves) he will more than likely be here 4-5 years minimum, which imo is a very underrated thing right now
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Re: Coaching hires
Jan 3, 2022, 10:38 PM
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I get your point about continuity but doesn't it also seem a little ironic that we had continuity as long as we were making the playoffs every year but when we hit a little adversity all the continuity went out the window?
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Far more about opportunity than any adversity
Jan 3, 2022, 10:46 PM
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this past year.
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Re: Far more about opportunity than any adversity
Jan 3, 2022, 10:55 PM
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Agreed, I mean Elliot has been on the top of about every list of head coaching openings the last two years so I think it was going to happen regardless and he also prob was thinking about either having dj next year or a true fresh qb… and Venables I mean we were lucky to keep him as long as we did … nobody in their right mind would not take that opportunity at OU especially with his history there.
We have been fortunate unlike other programs in that they are relaxing coordinators every couple years and just so happens it all hit us at once… main point is I think the hires deserve time before judgement… I wonder if these same ppl blasted the hire of a wr coach no one knew to head coach ? We will be fine we have gotten the program to elite status and we still have Dabo who is the ultimate recruiter.
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Re: Coaching hires
Jan 3, 2022, 11:55 PM
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How do you seem he’s been successful? You Clemson have got your head up and our ###. Plain & simple!
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Re: Coaching hires
Jan 3, 2022, 11:55 PM
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How do you seem he’s been successful? You Clemson have got your head up and our ###. Plain & simple!
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Re: Coaching hires
Jan 4, 2022, 12:12 AM
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How’s Jeff Scott doing in Florida! Hasn’t won but 4 games in the last 3 years. Really! He was not a good offensive coach or he would be hiring the people he needs & he would k ow how to win games! He doesn’t!
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Re: Coaching hires
Jan 4, 2022, 12:29 AM
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Dude ### are you talking about haha Jeff Scott is coaching at a terrible pgram it’s gonna take a lot of time … are you that slow and think since he won at Clemson with those athletes it just should translate to usf with talent not even in the same stratosphere?
And if you’re questioning Elliot being successful that’s another troll post I think there are a couple trophies in the case that can show that success… was he the best OC in the world , prob not , but to not act like he was very successful here is ignorant as hell
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Re: Coaching hires
Jan 3, 2022, 10:07 PM
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Dabo is our coach and if he wants to hire Ronald McDonald it is his choice. The buck stops on the desk of the head coach and you can rest assured Dabo understands that.
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Re: Coaching hires
Jan 3, 2022, 11:21 PM
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Well when those outside hires were made, keep in mind Dabo was still pretty early in his tenure. The guys he brought along and groomed as position coaches and were at one time all OUTSIDE hires you might say as TE, Scott and others all started their coaching career elsewhere before coming in. After a few years in the program and on staff they garnered more responsibility. A whole lot more programs would probably love to hire internally as they already know the person they are getting, the question is if they are cut out for the job. We will see about Wes as I for one feel book about Streeter. His offenses at Richmond were pretty good and every QB that has worked with him or been recruited by him raves on the guy. And that includes the Manning family who might know a thing or two about QBs. Dosnt mean I think we get Arch in the end, but that has little to do with Streeter imo and more to do either the family SEC ties, but we shall see.
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Re: Coaching hires
Jan 4, 2022, 9:46 AM
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Since TE and Scott both played at Clemson, I still consider them inside hires but I get your point. Time will tell but the vibe just seems off right now for many reasons. Hopefully, we can get our groove back this season. I don't see a realistic playoff run for '22 but I think we could have a legitimate shot in '23 IF everything else pans out and we get back on track with recruiting at the same Top 10 consistent level we have enjoyed the last several years.
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Re: Coaching hires
Jan 3, 2022, 11:53 PM
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It’s amazing that all these diehard Clemson fans go along with everything Dabo does. Do you think you’re gonna get different result from the same coaches that were released or retires or mined on to better places? Really Dabo lines control or he would have hired a whole new staff! He’s insecure that someone will come in and know more than he does. Which is not a lot: y’all keep saying he’s won championships but if you can’t see that’s going down down I wish y’all were he beat.
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Do you have a life or is this the norm for #### lovers
Jan 4, 2022, 12:32 AM
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Sad
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Re: Coaching hires
Jan 4, 2022, 12:10 AM
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Exactly! I really don’t kno what Dabo is thinking. Thank God The Obie Caldwell retired & couldn’t see why he’s been there for the last 3 years because our O-Line lost national championships games.
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Re: Coaching hires
Jan 4, 2022, 6:04 AM
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Dude, you really need to put down the crack pipe and back away from the bottle. Go back and read the "YOU CLEMSON FANS" pretty much tells me all I needed to know.
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Re: Coaching hires
Jan 4, 2022, 8:46 AM
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Interesting article SI about Trevor’s first year. Mentions how much he and Deshaun had to learn coming out of Clemson. Some of our former QB’s at other schools have done better.
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Hire Coach Tidds
Jan 4, 2022, 9:48 AM
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he da best
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Re: Coaching hires
Jan 6, 2022, 2:18 PM
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I agree that how he went about things was a head scratcher. I think not checking out all of your options is short sighted even if you are confident you have your man. I would probably agree with hiring from the inside with the defense and disagree on offense. Time will tell and likely it will take longer than next year.
Regardless of my thoughts, I am not going to say that he made the right hire or wrong hire. I scratch my head harder with anyone that is convinced one way or another. Dabo has made most of the right decisions but that doesn't mean that he has not made wrong ones. It just means that he has EARNED the right to continue to make them.
We'll see. If he made great hires we may know as soon as next year. If he made good hires or bad hires, it will take at least a couple of years. Enjoy the ride and give everyone a fair chance.
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