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Orange Blooded [4456]
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Clemson neither has the resources or the desire
Dec 26, 2022, 3:17 PM
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to buy a team or player in any sport. This has handicapped Brownell as this has been going on a long time in Basketball. NC, Duke, Louisville, NC State to mention a few we compete against. How did we lose Zion. Duke bought him. Been going on awhile and folks think Mike and Roy are super coaches. They had a system of buying players for a long time. There is no level playing field in recruiting. Dabo is a miracle worker to win against those programs that are cheating. We playing Tennessee soon. They just got rid of a coach because he got caught cheating.
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Re: Clemson neither has the resources or the desire
Dec 26, 2022, 3:22 PM
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I'm not going to disagree with anything that you said.
However, I will say that Zion was never coming to Clemson. A lot of our fans were on the edge of the seat hoping that he was, but he never intended on coming here. He was going to Duke all along although he did flirt with the Tarheels for a while. And yes, he and his family got what they wanted from Duke.
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Re: Clemson neither has the resources or the desire
Dec 26, 2022, 3:50 PM
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I agree with your post also. IF the Tigers can have a few years in succession of having a top level team In basketball that competes with all the other teams in the conference the recruiting will improve dramatically. Doing this has been a problem for every coach Clemson has had for years. Regardless of what the large majority of you believe, Coach Brownell is a good coach. Clemson has been less talented that most other league teams. That is true simply because the coaches have not been able to bring in the McDonalds all American players. Locke did it when he brought in Wise and Rome and the Tigers competed with everyone. But he didn’t do it the “ right way” and you know what happened.Basketball is a game where one dynamic player can turn a program around. In recent years we have come close to doing that. Right now there are a couple of big men in the Clemson lineup who have a legitimate chance to start this climb to the top. This certainly is not the time to abandon ship if you are truly a fan.
I see a marked improvement from each game this year. I really don’t believe this team will falter as the season continues because I think a few other guys will begin to help carry the load! This is a really good time to support this team. Especially if you are a student and able to be in Littlejohn for the games.
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Re: Clemson neither has the resources or the desire
Dec 26, 2022, 5:17 PM
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Tates Locke proved that at Clemson you can’t recruit like the tobacco road schools do and get away with it. Given that, Brad is doing a great job.
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Re: Clemson neither has the resources or the desire
Dec 26, 2022, 8:08 PM
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Lol really
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Re: Clemson neither has the resources or the desire
Dec 26, 2022, 5:27 PM
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I'm not going to disagree with anything that you said.
However, I will say that Zion was never coming to Clemson. A lot of our fans were on the edge of the seat hoping that he was, but he never intended on coming here. He was going to Duke all along although he did flirt with the Tarheels for a while. And yes, he and his family got what they wanted from Duke.
He was100% Clemson without a doubt, the day before the commitment. We know this because every Clemson site was at the announcement in person but not a single Duke site was there in person. That is proof positive the bagman came in the middle of the night!!!!!!!!
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Re: Clemson neither has the resources or the desire
Dec 26, 2022, 7:34 PM
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No he wasn’t.
No reason to go back and forth about it though.
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Are speaking from first hand knowledge?
Dec 26, 2022, 8:22 PM
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pretty much every insider knew it was down to UK and Clemson and the Kentucky guys got the word right before commitment that he wasnt going there and they felt it was Clemson. Then, he picked Duke.
Even out former PG, Merl Code, said in his interviews that to this day he doesnt know what Duke did, but they straight up paid him at the last minute. Said it was Clemson or Kentucky.
I never felt he would pick us, but the folks who follow it closer than most of us felt like it was legit.
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Orange Blooded [4265]
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Re: Are speaking from first hand knowledge?
Dec 26, 2022, 8:32 PM
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Actually yes.
From one of the coaches involved in his recruitment.
He told me that he hated seeing Clemson fans getting their hopes up bc Zion was going to Duke. It was a done deal.
He told me this weeks before and I checked with him again the week of the announcement. He said Duke had Zion. He also told me that Clemson would never do what Duke agreed to.
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Zion was ours the morning of his announcement.
Dec 26, 2022, 10:17 PM
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Then something changed.
I don’t know what changed. I’ll leave that for others to speculate.
But Zion was ours. And I don’t believe we did anything wrong to lose him.
Zion’s stepdad blaming Clemson’s coaches for “losing him” was an attempt to create a distraction. Unfortunately, many of our fans who already didn’t like Brownell bought it.
It’s water under the bridge now, but it stinks to lose a guy like that, even a one and done.
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So we had a late-game, close loss?***
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Dec 26, 2022, 10:18 PM
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Re: Zion was ours the morning of his announcement.
Dec 26, 2022, 10:38 PM
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Your continued insistence on this narrative surrounding Zion is one of the clearest tells that you aren’t actually affiliated in any meaningful way with our program.
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Re: Clemson neither has the resources or the desire
Dec 26, 2022, 5:27 PM
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I'm not going to disagree with anything that you said.
However, I will say that Zion was never coming to Clemson. A lot of our fans were on the edge of the seat hoping that he was, but he never intended on coming here. He was going to Duke all along although he did flirt with the Tarheels for a while. And yes, he and his family got what they wanted from Duke.
He was100% Clemson without a doubt, the day before the commitment. We know this because every Clemson site was at the announcement in person but not a single Duke site was there in person. That is proof positive the bagman came in the middle of the night!!!!!!!!
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110%er [9724]
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Actually that does not prove that he was 100% for Clemson.
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Dec 27, 2022, 5:42 AM
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All it’s saying is some bottom feeder sports journos showed up at his announcement.
Who cares?
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Re: Clemson neither has the resources or the desire
Dec 26, 2022, 3:35 PM
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There is zero evidence of your claim.
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Orange Blooded [4009]
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Zion Williamson got paid to go to Duke
Dec 26, 2022, 3:40 PM
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Not sure about all the other claims about systems and networks to buy players. Definitely not sure about Brownell being a good coach and all.
But I know for a fact that a few Duke boosters paid good money for Zion.
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Re: Clemson neither has the resources or the desire
Dec 26, 2022, 11:06 PM
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Clemson had some of its best basketball players during the Tates Locke era and you could see the new Monte Carlos parked in front of Mauldin Hall. We had the resources. We just get caught
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Re: Clemson neither has the resources or the desire
Dec 26, 2022, 3:39 PM
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With respect to basketball, it helps that all of those other schools have a basketball tradition that far exceeds that of Clemson, so there's that...
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Orange Blooded [4056]
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Not correct....
Dec 26, 2022, 4:48 PM
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CLEMs NIL could certainly afford any/most players. This is just factually untrue. AND....its only going to get stronger now that the school is fully behind it. CLEM is going nowhere in FB (listen to DABO here--he is correct)..although we are having to play catch-up a bit now. Its nice that Dabo has agreed to subtle changes..some you have already seen...some that will be seen sooner rather than later. DONT listen to what he says....WATCH what actually happens....
What you aren't going to see is CLEM guaranteeing $$$ upfront. Many of the old-line schools are trying to do it the right way (CLEM, ND, Napier now at UF-see his recent comments and how they have lost alot of kids to other schools )....but others like A&M, MIA, USC (real one) have decided to not to play by the rules at all..... Unfort, I doubt anything happens to them.
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Re: Not correct....
Dec 26, 2022, 5:52 PM
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The only people who could punish schools for NIL violations are the US government. They are the ones who created and forced this on the NCAA.
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Re: Clemson neither has the resources or the desire
Dec 26, 2022, 6:03 PM
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However, I do believe Brad lacks charisma that hurts him in recruiting. He is not the best recruiter all the reason he has to make up for this with a great recruiting staff. In the past he always has a staff that is like him. He needs to hire people that does not have his personality
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these types of posts are so ridiculous....
Dec 26, 2022, 9:17 PM
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Saying with 100% certainty that someone "bought" Zion... or thinking the only reason we aren't competing at the highest level in BB is because we can't buy players is not only a statement you can't prove, it is petty and ignorant, not to mention it's very much a defeatist mentality.
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Re: Clemson neither has the resources or the desire
Dec 26, 2022, 9:50 PM
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Any proof to
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Re: Clemson neither has the resources or the desire
Dec 26, 2022, 9:51 PM
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Any proof to your accusations? And really? Duke or Clemson. Come on man.
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Admittedly, I don't follow basketball as much as most
Dec 27, 2022, 4:31 AM
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TNet aficianadoes do, but at the time I thought Duke's resume won the day with Zion.
Providing the government remains out of the NIL fray, the only great leveler will be enough P5 coaches from top programs, including ours, rising in indignation over that ill-begotten and abused bugaboo and demanding tight control with the main problem being ineffective leadership within the NCAA.
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