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Did i see that Nick Eason is making $750,000 yr vs ...
Jan 7, 2022, 11:26 PM
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the original $450,000 salary that went up to $650,000 last week with the raise given by Dabo to that Dline coach (Bates?) who just quit for OK?
Saying, these salaries for asst coaches still blows my mind for an “entertainment” game position.
Supply & Demand is certainly working in college athletics. Wonder what professors, school administrators as well as the college Prez feel about this and their rather mundane & even puny salaries.
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I believe I remember seeing that the highest paid state employee
Jan 7, 2022, 11:31 PM
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Is the head football coach of the biggest universities in the state. Now that probably includes the office seven defensive coordinators in many states as well.
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Re: Did i see that Nick Eason is making $750,000 yr vs ...
Jan 7, 2022, 11:33 PM
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You saw correctly. He's making more than Bates even after his recent raise.
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Well I think CEOs are paid insane amounts
Jan 7, 2022, 11:39 PM
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And a huge majority of Americans and people worldwide are tragically underpaid… We’re talking about state employees and tax money is paying their salaries. If anyone ever ##### is about high taxes but doesn’t want to complain about coaches salaries I have to question their brain capacity
https://247wallst.com/special-report/2020/09/20/these-are-the-highest-paid-public-employees-in-every-state/ According to conventional wisdom, there are many compelling reasons to work in the public sector. These can include job security, generous retirement and health care benefits, and work that is geared toward the public good rather than profit. One reason that does not typically make the list, however, is earning potential. Still, while the wealthiest […]
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Re: Well I think CEOs are paid insane amounts
Jan 7, 2022, 11:47 PM
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What's Wes and Streeter making
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I believe they are both around $900,000.***
Jan 8, 2022, 12:03 AM
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Re: Well I think CEOs are paid insane amounts
Jan 8, 2022, 7:10 AM
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Well, I am generally not of fan of highly paid public "servants", but I'll make an exception for Dabo. He has raised the nation's awareness of Clemson University, the town of Clemson and to some degree the State of South Carolina to a level that had never been achieved before. That awareness has resulted in direct economic benefit for all three, with the university being the most obvious.
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Re: Well I think CEOs are paid insane amounts
Jan 8, 2022, 9:08 AM
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Consider it a blue chip investment.
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Re: Well I think CEOs are paid insane amounts
Jan 8, 2022, 7:18 AM
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And a huge majority of Americans and people worldwide are tragically underpaid… We’re talking about state employees and tax money is paying their salaries. If anyone ever ##### is about high taxes but doesn’t want to complain about coaches salaries I have to question their brain capacity https://247wallst.com/special-report/2020/09/20/these-are-the-highest-paid-public-employees-in-every-state/According to conventional wisdom, there are many compelling reasons to work in the public sector. These can include job security, generous retirement and health care benefits, and work that is geared toward the public good rather than profit. One reason that does not typically make the list, however, is earning potential. Still, while the wealthiest […] According to conventional wisdom, there are many compelling reasons to work in the public sector. These can include job security, generous retirement and health care benefits, and work that is geared toward the public good rather than profit. One reason that does not typically make the list, however, is earning potential. Still, while the wealthiest […] According to conventional wisdom, there are many compelling reasons to work in the public sector. These can include job security, generous retirement and health care benefits, and work that is geared toward the public good rather than profit. One reason that does not typically make the list, however, is earning potential. Still, while the wealthiest […]
It’s not tax money. Not sure how you don’t understand…
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State “funds” pay 245 of the salary for coaches
Jan 8, 2022, 8:40 AM
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But only about 10% of that comes from state taxes. 90% comes from other school revenue.
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I think most coaches salaries are supported entirely by
Jan 10, 2022, 2:40 PM
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athletic dept revenue and not taxes, but I could be wrong.
Either way, they bring in a LOT of revenue into the state, in the form of ticket sales, hotel stays, gas and meal purchases, in addition to new students. Not many state employees, short of the governors, maybe, can claim to have that kind of influence. You can tell in downtown Greenville when it's a home game day, with all the out-of-town Clemson folks as well as fans of whomever we're playing. They're all over downtown, spending their money at restaurants and shops, hotels and car rental companies, etc. It's big business and with an impact far more significant than 4 hours on a Saturday. People make a weekend out of these games, and they spend a LOT of money traveling to see their favorite team play. With Clemson as good as we've been, that's translated into more people going to home games and more of the opposing team's fans coming in as well.
There is no way you can compare the head coach of a program like Clemson to any other state employee. It's not even apples and oranges, it's more like footballs and oranges - totally different things, not even in the same class as one another.
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Re: CEOs make sometimes up to 350x higher that the avg worker
Jan 8, 2022, 12:11 AM
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Yep. It’s immoral how entertainers and money changers are paid compared to teachers, nurses, scientists, etc…
Panem et circensus
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Money changers? Lol
Jan 8, 2022, 12:21 AM
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Okay Obediah
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Funny, Jesus threw them out of the temple
Jan 8, 2022, 8:21 AM
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and the Koran outright directly states that Muslims are not allowed to make money from charging interest.
But here we are in a world where the banks control the entirety of it, fund wars/pick sides, etc.
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It is insane and tragic.
Jan 8, 2022, 8:47 AM
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In my opinion, the massive growth of lending in the US starting with Auto financing and credit card normalcy is one of the main factors contributing to the widening gap between classes.
The US economy as an open market can be corrected if the buyers were disciplined enough to exercise their power against inflation by simply reducing consumption.
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Those "title for money" companies are popping up like weeds
Jan 8, 2022, 9:00 AM
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and soaking people in massive debt.
The only good thing is that you can generate wealth from owning property borrowing from the bank. As you said, you need to be disciplined.
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Re: CEOs make sometimes up to 350x higher that the avg worker
Jan 10, 2022, 1:57 PM
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So workers shouldn't profit from the company they work for doing better? I mean after all they're also providing the work required to reach record profits.
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Re: CEOs make sometimes up to 350x higher that the avg worker
Jan 8, 2022, 8:15 AM
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Anyone that is concerned with CEO’s pay is nothing more than an hypocritical liberal. Never, ever has the person that is critical of the CEO’s pay ever had the same position of those liberal Hollywood elitists pay. The “star” makes $100M on a movie but yet no one is concerned that the makeup artists, and lighting and sound personal make peanuts.
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Re: CEOs make sometimes up to 350x higher that the avg worker
Jan 8, 2022, 11:29 AM
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This is something that everyone in the US should be outraged at and able to unite against. CEO compensation versus the average employee is absolutely ridiculous, as are the arguments justifying this inherent income inequality.
Red or blue, white brown or black… it doesn’t matter if we keep gutting the middle class in this country. As it does with every other country without a strong middle class society, eventually there will be a revolution, likely violent.
I say this as an executive at a Fortune 500 company with a wife in the c-suite.
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So lbb, you a young radical now?
Jan 8, 2022, 12:24 AM
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My wife spent 40 years as a public school teacher - mostly middle school language arts. Tough, often thankless toil. And she was exceptional.
So, There is no rational explanation for the mind-boggling (some would say obscene) salaries of top entertainers, coaches and professional athletes...except that they are being paid what the market allows..Nobody forces those among us who enjoy top-tier college and nfl football to watch the ads that ultimately pay for it all..I generally mute them..But I acknowledge that I am still a loyal and predictable tiny stream of income for the machine that high-level televised sports have become.
So, save it! go away and let me enjoy the game. Go Tiguhs!!
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Supply and demand, that simple
Jan 8, 2022, 7:21 AM
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Max Scherzer can make 40 million a year because he's one of maybe 5 in the world who can do what he does. All the respect in the world for the vocations mentioned, but millions upon millions are in those jobs. Rare, in demand talents lead to whopping pay days. Competition amongst the few with those talents leads to even more whopping paydays. Eco 101. Capitalism
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Re: Did i see that Nick Eason is making $750,000 yr vs ...
Jan 8, 2022, 2:25 AM
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While the amount of money coming from tax dollars is often ridiculous. <---($200,000-250,000 state funds into these salaries) The majority of these salaries are paid through boosters and revenue. That revenue is from the ridiculous amount of money it cost to go to these games and get season tickets. Cost an arm and a leg just to go have a fun Saturday!
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CFB coaches would be paid more reasonable salaries
Jan 8, 2022, 3:24 AM
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if the players who actually bring in the revenue were also getting paid. We're just now in the earliest phase of that economic shift.
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Re: CFB coaches would be paid more reasonable salaries
Jan 8, 2022, 8:09 AM
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So how do you explain NFL coach’s salaries? Their players get paid very well.
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Re: Did i see that Nick Eason is making $750,000 yr vs ...
Jan 8, 2022, 7:39 AM
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Huge salary for sure and agree with you. For entertainment purposes? Yep.
College Presidents or Professors having any moral authority to speak of? Negative.
They're the original overpaid frauds and extortionists. They do not have a leg to stand on.
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Re: Did i see that Nick Eason is making $750,000 yr vs ...
Jan 8, 2022, 8:03 AM
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Well I was one of those public servants for 32 1/2 years. I was Sheriff the last 12 of those years when I retired and NEVER came close, I mean CLOSE to making that but I survived and raised a family off of what I made.
I have given it a lot of thought and tried to rational it, then I let it go. These men actually NEVER work a regular 40 or 48 hour work week, not any close but nor did I. Then I look at the total landscape of college athletics and pro and it has gotten out of hand. Then I give Dabo a pass, he is probably one of the GREATEST assets to the State of South Carolina. He is an ambassador, statesman and will NEVER be involved in a scandal like A LOT of coaches, ie UM at Ohio State and the Jacksonville Jags but the salaries across sports, players and coaches have gotten out of hand. Dabo is probably one that will honestly tell you that it is out of hand but I don’t blame him for getting what he can. His salary is extremely high but does not come out of tax dollars and he has done everything to get his coaches raises even restructuring his own salary so they can get a raise. Tell me how MANY other CEO’s, ANYWHERE would do that. With that being said. I really don’t have any problem with him getting what he is getting.
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Re: Did i see that Nick Eason is making $750,000 yr vs ...
Jan 8, 2022, 8:07 AM
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I stand corrected, I think the first $200,000 comes out of state funds.
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The state only provides 157m of the 1.5b budget
Jan 8, 2022, 8:56 AM
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It stays around 10%, more or less. So only 24.5k comes from state taxes.
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Re: Did i see that Nick Eason is making $750,000 yr vs ...
Jan 8, 2022, 8:37 AM
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Amen Brother, Dabo deserves every cent even though it is a pile, Look how much money he has brought into the state, Clemson community, and the University. Nick has worked hard and positioned himself for great value. It seems we only matched what Auburn was paying. The same thing due to NIL is happening for the elite athletes. I don’t like it as I think each athlete should get a quarterly stipend from the school to keep the playing field level. Then they would go to the school of their choice instead of going to the highest bidder.
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Re: Did i see that Nick Eason is making $750,000 yr vs ...
Jan 8, 2022, 8:24 AM
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Seems that was what Auburn was paying him.
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Re: Did i see that Nick Eason is making $750,000 yr vs ...
Jan 8, 2022, 8:50 AM
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Coaches make a lot of money and they change jobs, get over it.
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Re: Did i see that Nick Eason is making $750,000 yr vs ...
Jan 8, 2022, 9:13 AM
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When professors get them an 80,000 seating capacity sold out and national airtime they can get the bucks. Even though the tickets for their classes is extremely high their fan base is very small. There’s just no reason to demand even pay.
Anyway I could live well on their salaries.
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I am afraid that "the Lincoln Riley Effect" is going to cost
Jan 8, 2022, 9:15 AM
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Clemson and every other school that is serious about football a whole lot of Benjamins in these next years to come. When the only loyalty now appears to be to money, we will have to ante up to keep ALL our football coaches happy, not just the Head Coach.
Eason actually had a two year, 1.4 million dollar deal at Auburn, so he is only getting a $50,000 a year raise to come to Clemson, which is pretty much a lateral move these days. He does have a three year deal with us, I have read.
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Re: Did i see that Nick Eason is making $750,000 yr vs ...
Jan 8, 2022, 9:26 AM
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I know a couple of Clemson professors who remain anonymous, but believe me, they are disgusted by how much the football staff makes. I heard one particular professor say, “we’re doing research and teaching and trying to improve the world and peoples lives, and they’re making 10 times what we make by promoting brain injuries to disadvantaged youth”
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Re: Did i see that Nick Eason is making $750,000 yr vs ...
Jan 8, 2022, 9:30 AM
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This particular professor was not a fan of Dabo and called him a “wolf in lambs clothing”, I’m not saying I agree with the sentiment but I was really surprised by the vitriol
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It's called jealousy
Jan 8, 2022, 10:30 AM
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Especially when their entire industry is funded by one of the biggest scams in history, student loans
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If you think THAT is bad, there was this guy awhile back who
Jan 8, 2022, 9:40 AM
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had a very simple idea. He would sell stuff on the web, and the only thing that made him different, was he would provide super fast shipping, and kind of a "One Stop Shopping" experience. That's IT, in a nutshell.
The company was AMAZON, and Jeff Bezos became a MULTI-BILLIONAIRE.
Are the Clemson Profs mad at him, too?
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Re: Did i see that Nick Eason is making $750,000 yr vs ...
Jan 8, 2022, 11:10 AM
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Do you actually understand what percentage is paid by the athletic department vs the state? Do some homework and when you have some numbers we can have an intelligent conversation.
Until then for CEO pay, etc ... let's talk about what they do for the organization --- in this instance Clemson ---- let's start with the Athletic Department --- IPTAY record giving --- 55K plus season tickets (when 10 years prior they couldn't give them away) -- money to fund new sports and non-football projects --- more scholarships, more staff, higher salaries --
As for the academic side --- Applications up 400% - more coopetition, higher quality of student --- enrollment up roughly 40% (A LOT of out of state money) --- Presidens who understood that the added publicity helped CU to become a top 30 public university ---
DONATIONS - DONATIONS - DONATIONS --- look at all the capital improvements and growth (not a big fan of the growth but) .... new buildings, infrastructure, added staff, increased salaries all the way down the line, etc .... Corporate interest - leading to partnerships, student opportunities (internships - coops), CU graduates getting jobs --- Corporate Sponsors and $$$$
In all Dabo's performance has aided not only the football team and Athletic Department, but every student and everything the University touches ---- what's that worth? What is success worth?
If we were paying a coach 1MM to go 2-10, you all would fire him in a heart beat and tell IPTAY to get off their wallets and find a better coach (wait a minute --- that happened through the 90s and they were better than 2-10) ....
We haven't even talked about the lifestyle that said CEO's have to live. In Dabo's case, the media, no normal life in public, dealing with message board idiots and the press coming after not only him, his believes, his ethics, his family. Yes a LOT of percs come with the gig if you are successful, but what if he wasn't?
And then let's add, he doesn't set his salary --- a house or anything is worth whatever someone is willing to pay for it ... for all he does, obviously Clemson is willing to pay for it. And if Clemson wasn't, don't you think someone else would?
Understand Capitalism --- and by the way --- Dabo has gone out of his way to take care of his workers (coaches and staff) ... and good for them ...
When the benefits don't justify the cost, like any other company, the University will make a change. Until then, celebrate the team, Clemson and the fact that you live in a country where a rags to riches story is possible. We could then have a debate about how don't have to tear down those at the top of the pyramid to raise the level of those at the bottom but we can save that for Novembers.
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Re: Did i see that Nick Eason is making $750,000 yr vs ...
Jan 8, 2022, 11:34 AM
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Pays more than most majors ...
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It's really not complicated
Jan 10, 2022, 2:07 PM
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It's surprising to see so many people struggling with the basic concepts of supply and demand, and revenue-generating work vs overhead.
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Jan 10, 2022, 2:54 PM
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difference between their salaries and those of a P5 coach. As you said, economics works, unfortunately most educated people are able to dismiss economics in lieu of social justice, value to community or how much benefit they are to mankind.
Fact is, Dabo and our coaching staff are difficult to replace while college professors are difficult to get rid of. That says it all, Bro Bill. If they wanted a head coaches salary they should have learned the game rather than, or along with history, , business, economics, art or engineering.
I dismiss their claims as greed and lust for something they didn't earn.
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Re: Did i see that Nick Eason is making $750,000 yr vs ...
Jan 10, 2022, 3:07 PM
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Since when are salaries suppose to be equal? Do teachers make the school as much money as the football team? I can answer that question NO. You are worth your value or better said what you bring to the table. I’m not really sure when all this comparison started but not all jobs are equal.
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