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The Tragedy of Trump
May 30, 2018, 1:43 PM
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We are witnessing the death of truth. Trump can make claims about spygate, illigal immigrant voting, Dem. collusion with Russia...etc, etc, etc. And no matter the proof and truth that exists, far too many people will still believe him.
That isn't politics, that's idol worship. Whatever you can say about his policies, many of which have been positive for the country, the man himself has become a blight on what being "American" means.
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Can't wait for the informant in Biden's 2020 campaign
May 30, 2018, 1:46 PM
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and the inevitable howling from the left.
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Re: Can't wait for the informant in Biden's 2020 campaign
May 30, 2018, 1:59 PM
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You just made my point.
Trey Gowdy saw the FBI information and concluded that “President Trump himself in the Comey memos said if anyone connected with my campaign was working with Russia, I want you to investigate it, and it sounds to me like that is exactly what the FBI did,” Gowdy told host Martha MacCallum (on Fox News).
But your post, as I mentioned, betrays your belief that the "informant" was some how a bad thing rather than a legitimate effort to track Russia contacts with Americans associated with the campaign, and the left will howl when one is implanted in Biden's campaign.
That is exactly the false narrative that Trump and his allies spread and the one you appear to buy.
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What's the 'true' narrative?
May 30, 2018, 2:13 PM
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The FBI sent an informant back in time to report on the Trump campaign after Trump told Comey to investigate? The DOJ and FBI under Obama used their powers of precognition to plant an informant in the Trump campaign, knowing he'd order Comey to investigate after the election? So they've had this informant in the campaign the entire time, but still needed to appoint a special council to find evidence of collusion or cooperation? And have yet to turn up any evidence of such...which proves...something.
Forget the evidence from the Page and Strozk texts, or the fact that the establishment media has changed the narrative you're parroting as new evidence has emerged (There was no spy...oh #### there was a spy...uh...it was done to protect the Trump campaign, yeah that's it...for now) The establishment narrative makes zero logical sense on it's own face.
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Re: What's the 'true' narrative?
May 30, 2018, 2:40 PM
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Again, you make my point. Never mind the truth, you perpetuate Trump's lies.
"The DOJ and FBI under Obama used their powers of precognition to plant an informant in the Trump campaign, knowing he'd order Comey to investigate after the election? "
The FBI and the DOJ didn't 'plant' anyone. They merely followed up on individuals who had been on the FBI radar all the way back to 2014! The fact that they later became associated with the Trump campaign made them all the more suspicious.
You just keep spouting points that are demonstrably not true, but spout them you continue to do. They're wrong, it's not true, those are not facts!
Facts and truth matters!!
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My bad, they didn't 'plant a spy,' they "sent a confidential
May 30, 2018, 2:52 PM
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informant to 'follow up,' during the campaign."
And they found so much evidence. But they cleverly revealed nothing, so they could launch an investigation after Trump won...which has surely found much more evidence. Guess they're keeping that under wraps so they can torpedo the 2020 campaign. Truly a long game.
TDS in all its glory.
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Re: My bad, they didn't 'plant a spy,' they "sent a confidential
May 30, 2018, 2:59 PM
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informant to 'follow up,' during the campaign."
And they found so much evidence. But they cleverly revealed nothing, so they could launch an investigation after Trump won...which has surely found much more evidence. Guess they're keeping that under wraps so they can torpedo the 2020 campaign. Truly a long game.
TDS in all its glory.
Again, demonstrably not true, fake and false. They launched the investigation in July of 2016, months before Trump won.
George Popodopolous tells an Australian diplomat that the Russians had "thousands of emails" of Hillary Clinton's. The Australian contacts the FBI.
What else were they supposed to do????
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"Months before Trump won," so "during the campaign,"
May 30, 2018, 3:18 PM
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as I said....which you then called "fake and false."
So we agree, but what I'm saying is fake and false.
Again, your narrative makes no logical sense. You've been taken in by blatant propaganda to the point that you're basically arguing with yourself.
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Re: "Months before Trump won," so "during the campaign,"
May 30, 2018, 3:39 PM
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Are you serious?
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Re: My bad, they didn't 'plant a spy,' they "sent a confidential
May 30, 2018, 3:01 PM
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By the way, even as a Trump supporter, aren't you curious about how the Trump campaign new the Russian's had Clinton's emails months before the rest of the country?
Don't you think if that had been a Clinton or an Obama campaign, the FBI would be right to investigate???
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Stated Podesta talking points as if they're fact...
May 30, 2018, 3:27 PM
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but no, I don't care. Russia, WikiLeaks...whoever got that information out did the American people a great service. Sunlight is the best disinfectant.
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Re: Can't wait for the informant in Biden's 2020 campaign
Jun 1, 2018, 3:31 AM
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In spite if Trump's request that anyone associated with his campaign who did conspire with Russia be found out, the left called for his impeachment and relentlessly accuses him of personally conspiring with Russia.
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so democrats are liking them some comey now***
May 30, 2018, 2:17 PM
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A true American Patriot.
May 30, 2018, 2:17 PM
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I've always liked Comey.
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I think Comey ushered in a lot of problems into the FBI
May 30, 2018, 2:24 PM
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TIME had a good article a few weeks ago analyzing this. I don't believe Comey is a partisan hack (his actions prove otherwise with Clinton); I think he moreso suffers from incompetency on the job.
He's not really a guy many people would like to label a hero, including me. IMO, his recent book is self-serving.
But he became a martyr due to Trump's imbecilic actions.
Trump probably thinks he's embraced the zen of Sun Tzu, but he has consistently ignored one of great general's most important lesson: Maintain the high ground and never attack your enemy if he/she has the high ground.
He is superb at giving people the high ground when they otherwise wouldn't achieve it. Explanations to this metaphor are available upon request.
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Fortunately, Mueller and his team of "13 Angry Democrats"
May 30, 2018, 2:21 PM
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are on the trail of truth.
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Noose is tightening, panic has set in
May 30, 2018, 2:25 PM
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yada. yada. yada.
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Drumpf is finished! Peach Mints incoming!***
May 30, 2018, 2:28 PM
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I don't think you can count the Russian money pouring
May 30, 2018, 2:31 PM
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in.
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Protip: more fiber in the diet.
May 30, 2018, 2:35 PM
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Helps the #### stick instead of sliding down into a puddle.
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And therein lies the problem.
May 30, 2018, 2:29 PM
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We saw just as much with Obama and Clinton as we saw with Trump and Bush.
Either there is a strong human nature to blindly follow someone, or both parties have found a way to convince us to do it.
People who profess to be conservatives are adoring a man who doesn't even fit that definition. People professing to be liberals adored a man who continued many conservative Bush-era policies.
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I think you'll find many in here that don't necessarily
May 30, 2018, 2:34 PM
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adore Trump but defend the circumstances more so than him as a person. It's difficult for me to defend the guy, but its pretty easy to mock the obvious self righteousness from some in their outright hatred of him simply because he won.
When the comparisons to Hitler start coming out (and it happens a lot in here), then you know the argument has lost its purpose.
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BINGO***
May 30, 2018, 2:36 PM
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Re: I think you'll find many in here that don't necessarily
May 30, 2018, 2:42 PM
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Yep, it happens a lot, and I'm one of them. Trump is an authoritarian and has made statements that are very disturbing with a fascist lean. His admin has also attempted some of those early actions.
I'll even cite removing proven, scientific information from government websites, thus stifling information from the public, is akin to book burning.
If people want the comparisons to stop, then he's going to have to stop giving us things that are comparable to some of those actions in history.
For the typical "but Obama" response (not saying you would do that... just beating others to the punch), I also cite Obama's eagerness to overuse the executive order. IMO, honestly, we've seen too much thirst for power by the last four admins.
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he's cut regulations, cut taxes, appointed
May 30, 2018, 2:52 PM
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conservatives to the courts.
Mr. Trump has done more for the cause of conservatism in his first year than Bush did in 8 years.
That said, he's a deeply flawed person ill suited for public work.
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Never understood the term cuckservative until now.***
May 30, 2018, 2:59 PM
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He knows his base.
May 30, 2018, 2:59 PM
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He also knows those clinging to guns the most would be the first to support his authority. He keeps the right people placated.
Do I really need to map out his authoritarian views?
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Re: He knows his base.
May 30, 2018, 3:09 PM
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Now if he starts talking about a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded as the military, that's under the control of the federal government..
I'm going to have to start getting on board with some of this authoritarian stuff...
But it is true that every administration, especially after 911 and the nations complete willingness to turn over unheard of power to the government, has reached for unprecedented executive power.
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Re: He knows his base.
May 30, 2018, 3:56 PM
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Now if he starts talking about a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded as the military, that's under the control of the federal government..
I'm going to have to start getting on board with some of this authoritarian stuff...
But it is true that every administration, especially after 911 and the nations complete willingness to turn over unheard of power to the government, has reached for unprecedented executive power.
I can buy that. I agree.
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Re: He knows his base.
May 30, 2018, 4:25 PM
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I remember hearing that in the SOTU, and both sides standing up and cheering like they'd won the superbowl...
I was like, Ummm did he just say what I thought he said????
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The would-be tyrannical dictator
May 30, 2018, 3:11 PM
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with an armed populace. So the only way he CAN govern is with the consent of the governed. I'm quaking in my boots.
Go ahead if you want, your narrative is nonsense. "Trump is Hitler and police officers are evil racists gunning down minorities in the streets....also the only people who should have guns are Trump's military and police officers."
Not even internally consistent.
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Re: The would-be tyrannical dictator
May 30, 2018, 3:15 PM
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"Trump is Hitler and police officers are evil racists gunning down minorities in the streets....also the only people who should have guns are Trump's military and police officers."
This has never been my narrative and I'd appreciate it if you don't make up stuff.
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You just stated that Trump was an authoritarian...
May 30, 2018, 3:30 PM
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yeah I threw in the stuff about police. Sorry for assuming the leftist followed the leftist narrative. Whatever point you diverge, it's the first I've seen.
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You're just cherry picking, that's all.
May 30, 2018, 3:36 PM
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If you've read my other stuff, you know that I don't believe police are a bunch of evil racists bent on killing black people, and I've been pro-gun rights pretty much all my life. So yeah, you just made assumptions.
I also didn't call Trump Hitler. Hitler is a pretty unique and specific comparison, and Trump certainly hasn't earned that.
What I have called him is a fascist. Trump embraces the ideology.
Hitler was a fascist. Not all fascists are Hitler.
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Re: I think you'll find many in here that don't necessarily
May 30, 2018, 4:11 PM
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Are you seriously making a comparison to an individual who ordered the murdering of countless Jews in one of the most wicked acts in human history to Trump? Seriously?
Sorry, that's just dumb. No explanation needed. If you can't see that then your opinion has been bought and paid for. You don't have to know jack #### about the political landscape to see how absurd that is. If you want to compare it to an ideology, fine. But to compare him to THAT individual? Give me a fuggin break.
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Re: I think you'll find many in here that don't necessarily
May 30, 2018, 2:45 PM
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adore Trump but defend the circumstances more so than him as a person. It's difficult for me to defend the guy, but its pretty easy to mock the obvious self righteousness from some in their outright hatred of him simply because he won.
When the comparisons to Hitler start coming out (and it happens a lot in here), then you know the argument has lost its purpose.
That I can buy. I understand your disdain for the self-righteous criticism of Trump merely because he won. That's entirely reasonable and doesn't perpetuate the lies that Trump and his allies spew out.
You can criticize those who criticize Trump, I get that. But that is far and away different from parroting the demonstrably untrue arguments that Trump has made.
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Have I done that?***
May 30, 2018, 4:00 PM
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Re: Some of us are just liberals with principles.***
May 30, 2018, 2:40 PM
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If more people would stand on principle, regardless of political affiliation, and stop looking at it as a team sport, everyone would win...
Minus the politicians who benefit from the "game" and spend every waking minute making sure it continues.
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Yes, that is how I'm "winning."
May 30, 2018, 3:06 PM
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Stood on principle, voted for the more liberal candidate over the globalist neocon, and for the first time in my life the POTUS I voted for actually followed through on his promises. He can be as crass as he wants, tweet whatever, doesn't matter. He followed through on the policies I elected him to enact. Couldn't be happier with the outcome. Even getting some bonus loony outrage from the true enemies of the American people, the globalist establishment, their propaganda arm the mainstream media, and the useful idiots. Winning AND free entertainment? TrumpTrain 2020.
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Don't forget to send him a Valentine's card.***
May 30, 2018, 3:20 PM
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Salty***
May 30, 2018, 3:33 PM
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I blame Bush for Obama. You guys ever think of blaming
May 30, 2018, 5:02 PM
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Obama for Trump? This cognitive madisonianism is getting bad. It will swing again. Maybe.
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I definitely think Obama shares some of that.
May 30, 2018, 6:20 PM
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Not full blame, just like I don't think Bush bears full blame for Obama. But yes, I definitely think Obama led us to Trump in many ways.
Although it had more to do with Hillary's terrible, arrogant campaign.
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