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Brownell vs. Barnes. CU in good hands.
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Brownell vs. Barnes. CU in good hands.


Mar 30, 2015, 7:08 AM

You guys do know that with UT's talent, Brownell probably would have gone to the Sweet 16 or further. Brownell is a great Coach. We just have to get more talent, better facilities and most importantly, better fan support. Barnes and OP won with lots of talent. Brownell is a better Coach than either of them. He is making talent upgrades. Blossomgame, Grantham, Devoe, and Hudson are big talent upgrades. The new facilities are gonna be a big help. Now it is up to the fans.

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Mar 30, 2015, 7:22 AM

Thanks for the laugh.

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Please, some facts...


Mar 30, 2015, 7:26 AM

Let's have some facts to back up Brownell being a "better" coach.

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^^^^^ Still thinks of the Bowden era


Mar 30, 2015, 7:35 AM

as the good old days...

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Re: ^^^^^ Still thinks of the Bowden era


Mar 30, 2015, 7:47 AM

A lot of you were saying the same things about Dabo before the facility upgrades and talent influx and staff changes. No big name Coach wants to coach basketball at Clemson. The facilities suck and the fan support sucks. We are lucky to have Brownell. He has overachieved with what we have.

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Re: ^^^^^ Still thinks of the Bowden era


Mar 30, 2015, 7:55 AM

rotflmao - not really, but this definitely is the goober POTD. You have no clue as to what thou speaketh.

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Missing the postseason your 5th year is overachieving?


Mar 30, 2015, 8:27 AM [ in reply to Re: ^^^^^ Still thinks of the Bowden era ]

What planet are you from?

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So true. A lot of big name football coaches didn't want to coach


Mar 31, 2015, 11:20 PM [ in reply to Re: ^^^^^ Still thinks of the Bowden era ]

at Clemson 7 years ago either, but Clemson's administration and Dabo's success have made it a more desirable job. We can do the same thing with basketball if we show a strong commitment to it.

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Re: ^^^^^ Still thinks of the Bowden era


Mar 30, 2015, 8:09 AM [ in reply to ^^^^^ Still thinks of the Bowden era ]

Part of being a "Great Coach" is being a
Great Recruter. We will never be competitive unless we get some "Thoroughbreds ".
Great players make great coaches.
Ask Caliperi.

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Mar 30, 2015, 8:06 AM

How is he a better coach? Coaching is more than the x's and o's . Can he really recruit and play a style of basketball that can take advantage of the talent in this area. Go figure!

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it's not up to the fans....


Mar 30, 2015, 8:15 AM

after years of mediocre basketball it's up to the coach and team to energize the fanbase and give them a reason to come.

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Mar 30, 2015, 8:19 AM

You do know Barnes brought in enough talent to win here. Why can't Brownell?

You do know Rick made the nit his first year with a team picked to be the worst ever in the ACC.

You do know he went to the ncaa's the rest of his years here.

You probably don't know that.

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OT game away from the Elite 8


Mar 30, 2015, 8:24 AM

comparing Barnes and Brownell is a joke

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and Minnesota had to vacate that W***


Mar 30, 2015, 8:54 AM



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Clem Haskins got them in a bit a hot water***


Mar 30, 2015, 9:07 AM



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Mar 30, 2015, 8:27 AM

The haters will come out of the woodworks for this one.

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I hope we're on the right path because we're on it


Mar 30, 2015, 8:39 AM

he's the coach probably for 2-3 more years either way. Comparing them is a bit tough at this point. For us old farts who remember the end of the Ellis years and how Rick turned the program around...achieved national recognition with high rankings...sweet 16...beating Kentucky to kick off year 4...beating NC in Greensboro. We haven't come close to achieving the highs under Rick. Hopefully we will but as we sit today we haven't. Recruiting is probably the main reason. Rick got T McIntyre to Clemson along with Buckner and some tough guys. Brownell to this point hasn't had a top level point guard. To win it's a must have.

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Mar 30, 2015, 9:06 AM

Ok,I'll give you the one year to rebuild LittleJohn.
After that,no excuses.
It's not even a question of better talent.IT'S ABOUT SHOOTERS.
Other teams outside of Tobacco Road,or the Wisconsin's/Michigan State's can recruit shooters.Why can't we?
You want to know why?It's because Brad has this thing that shooters can't defend.
Don't know where that brillant idea came from.
Brad ,as much as I love him recruits defensive minded players.
And when he does recruit a shooter,seems they don't pan out.
Follow the NCAA Tournament.Every team in it ,even Texas has at least one good shooter.Heck,Wisconsin has two good 6'9" guys who can not only shoot,but dribble.Maybe they are not a good defensive team,but they know how to take care of the basketball while slowing the tempo,and limiting the other teams possessions.And they know how to look for,and hit the open jump shots.
Clemson plays a faster pace offense,for sure,but when you have as many scoring droughts in a game like Clemson,it doesn't matter what your facilities are like,or what you can expect from your fan base.

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Recruiting is a large part of coaching though...


Mar 30, 2015, 9:58 AM

Brownell needs to step it up. The good coaches in large part bc of their players and not their ability to draw plays up in the dirt.

I'd still take Barnes tomorrow.

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Mar 30, 2015, 10:00 AM

Very well put! Brownell is a Great Coach & we are lucky he hasn't bailed on us. I think the New Facilities & upgrades to the BB program will pay off down the road. I agree, With the new facilities & right players this Coach will take us to another level. GO TIGERS

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Mar 30, 2015, 11:09 AM

"Lucky he hasn't baled on us?" Who else would pay him $1.55-$2 million/yr for the product he puts on the floor? He's ours, I've accepted that and hope for the best but lucky wouldn't be what I'd call our current situation.

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I would just like to see Brownell do something


Mar 30, 2015, 12:08 PM

With Brownell's talent. Sure maybe he could coach Texas players better but he's not making Clemson a better basketball program than Barnes did either here or at Texas. I want to believe Brownell can get this done. I also wanted to believe Larry Shyatt could get it down. However sometimes you just have to look at the product on the floor and at this point, I'd have a hard time saying Brownell has done more here than Shyatt did.

And no a new building won't do a thing for this program other than highlight empty seats if we continue to be mediocre.

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What makes "Brownell a great coach"?


Mar 30, 2015, 12:20 PM

Even Brownell's biggest supporters would agree that recruiting isn't Brownell's strong suit. But I often wonder if Brownell's actual coaching is that great too. He has the reputation, but I don't see our players' having better basketball fundamentals or skills than the opposing teams' players. I don't see us running crisp offensive sets. I don't even see us having great results out of timeouts or when running out-of-bounds sets.

Where does the great coaching that everyone claims Brownell is known for come into play? Our defensive numbers are above average, but not elite, and a lot of it can be attributed to our slow pace of play as much as anything. With no NCAA Tournament apperances and just 1 NIT appearance in the last 4 years, we're approaching the level of futility we had under Larry Shyatt.

Also, I don't see the talent as "big upgrades". KJ McDaniels is far better at the SF position than either Blossomgame or Grantham, and we couldn't make it to the NCAA Tournament with that NBA player. DeVoe had a few good minutes at the end of the season, but according to ESPN, he was only a 2-star player coming out of HS. He also only shot 27% from the field this season. Sure the guards could make huge jumps, but we haven't really had a guard develop under Brownell yet. Hall, Roper, Harrison (a former 4 star out of HS), Rooks, Coleman, Filer, and Sapp never really took off here. Several of those players were known as good shooters coming into the program, but none of them left the program with that same reputation.

People will criticize Barnes and Purnell because they subsequently got fired from their next job, but who cares about that? The fact is, they won here (and Barnes also has the most wins in Texas history). They consistently took us to the NCAA Tournament after they built up the program. The program improved from year 1 to 2, year 2 to 3, etc. under those two coaches. Under Brownell, we were basically the same team this year (year 5), as we were in year 2. Years 2-5 have been a complete waste, and we're basically floundering around. I get Brownell is locked in as coach for at least the next 2 years, but I don't understand the mindset that "We're extremely lucky to have him." The truth is, he's very lucky he has that huge buyout, or he'd be on the hotseat right now with next year improvement being seen as a necessity to be retained.

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Fantastic Post!!!!


Mar 30, 2015, 12:51 PM

Very well said

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The reason I criticize Barnes and Purnell is because ...


Apr 1, 2015, 8:27 PM [ in reply to What makes "Brownell a great coach"? ]

... they both quit on Clemson.

>People will criticize Barnes and Purnell because they subsequently got fired from their next job, but who cares about that?<

They didn't believe they could do the job long term at Clemson and they went looking for a better deal.

I'd take Cliff Ellis back much sooner than I'd take either Barnes or Purnell back.

At least Cliff WANTED to be at Clemson ...

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Mar 30, 2015, 12:21 PM

I agree that Brownell has overachieved considering the talent he has had. The problem is recruiting, but do we know if Brownell can't recruit or if Clemson hasn't given him the tools to recruit? Right now, it's an a priori argument.

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Mar 30, 2015, 12:49 PM

Your crazy. Did Brownell ever lead at top ten team? Who wants to come play here when recruits see his playing style. Nobody wants to play for a team that doesn't score. Would Rick Barnes or OP ever lose to Gardner Webb or Winthrop? No

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Mar 30, 2015, 12:58 PM

Good thing OP never lost to Charlotte or Elon or this post wouldn't make any sense.

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Mar 31, 2015, 10:29 PM

You named 2 of OP's 3 losses to mid majors in 7 seasons (never had 2 in a season). Brownell has 11 losses to mid majors in 5 seasons.

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Compare the number of years coached vs. accomplishments


Mar 30, 2015, 1:59 PM

when discussing Brownell and Barnes. I like Brownell, but Barnes accomplished a lot during a short period of time.

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Mar 31, 2015, 10:01 PM

The recruiting has improved the last few years. No one should want to Coach basketball here. Hell, our best player doesn't even think our fans care about them. Brownell has taken 3 teams to the dance. Build facilities and support our team and things will get better. We beat some very good teams this year with about 3 good players on the team. He is an excellent Coach. He will succeed. I hope it is here.

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Dabo went 6-6 I recall


Apr 1, 2015, 7:19 PM

And look what happened next

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