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Oculus Spirit [83004]
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Back to mental midget, DeSantis:
Feb 23, 2022, 8:49 AM
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Are there any sane Republicans who stand a chance in 24? DeSantis' is Trump light and will pick up that base if Trump doesn't run.
Paul Ryan - Would be my top choice, but probably too sane to get back into politics.
Larry Hogan - Would be my 2nd choice. Two term Governor of a blue state.
Ben Sasse - Maybe could be convinced to run as an independent.
Ted Cruz - Brilliant compared to DeSantis and I maybe could support him if Biden or Harris is his opponent. Could definitely support him over MAGA.
Nikki Haley - Same as above.
Kristi Noem - Just another MAGA imbecile.
Mitt Romney - 3rd choice but too old at 77.
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Mitt was right.***
Feb 23, 2022, 8:56 AM
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Let’s see Joe…,
Feb 23, 2022, 9:22 AM
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Oculus Spirit [83004]
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Let's see B:
Feb 23, 2022, 9:35 AM
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Are we now believing where someone went to school and how far they went with multiple degrees as a plus?
I wonder who won the vote of people with Bachelor's degrees in 2020? Master's degrees?
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Hahvahd? But we're supposed to despise the elites.***
Feb 23, 2022, 9:48 AM
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I don't think we can trust this guy.
Feb 23, 2022, 10:32 AM
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Look at all that liberal education, plus all that time in government. Sounds like a deep state operative to me.
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As the Republican Party becomes even more pro-Putin
Feb 23, 2022, 9:31 AM
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and anti-NATO, look for Mike Pompeo to emerge as a possibility as well.
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Re: Back to mental midget, DeSantis:
Feb 23, 2022, 9:44 AM
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Kinzinger and Cheney have chances...as independents.
I truly do think an independent who's willing to play chicken with the Dems has a real chance in '24. Basically, they have to get themselves into the conversation, get themselves on the debate stage like Perot did, and then basically say: "Look, it's going to be one of us or it's going to be Trump...and if you truly love America and Democracy, you'll let the American people decide, and if one of us is leading the other in the polls going into the final stretch the loser will drop out and endorse the other so it's not Trump because otherwise you just appointed him president."
If Kinzinger or Cheney can get into that position, they'll win. Conclusively.
Contrariwise I could see Rupert Murdoch at Fox taking a real liking to Liz Cheney if she successfully gets Trump convicted or his candidacy revoked as a result of her January 6th findings. Murdoch had himself a great little alliance with Margaret Thatcher back in the day, played kingmaker for her, and a lot of people think Liz Cheney is our version of Thatcher. With her cross-party appeal Cheney would absolutely roll into office if she gets Murdoch's backing because the MSM has already put its stamp of approval all over Cheney...provided she get's Fox's backing, which won't happen until something happens to Trump. She'd stomp Biden as comprehensively as Reagan crushed Carter and probably lead a massive GOP takeover of Congress on top of that.
The only one I would vote against there is Cruz. He's such a cretin and disgusting human I could never support him. I may dislike him worse than Trump.
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Liz Cheney? No chance in Hades.
Feb 23, 2022, 10:02 AM
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I did get a chuckle out of that one.
Who would vote for her? She has zero cross party appeal. Neither Republicans nor Democrats would vote for her. She has no chance whatsoever of becoming president.
Ted Cruz is despised by just about everybody.
The Republican nomination belongs to Trump. He controls who the nominee will be in the GOP.
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It'll either be Trump or Desantis from the GOP.
Feb 23, 2022, 10:07 AM
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If it goes to Chaney... and the democrats put forth Tulsi Gabbard... I'll be voting D, I believe.... and so will the bulk of my fellow Magatards.
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Trump can't stand DeSantis. He won't allow DeSantis to get
Feb 23, 2022, 10:16 AM
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the nomination. Trump will vanquish every Republican in the primaries. Tulsi is a bit a political novice/joke with bad acne scars. She has no traction in the Democratic Party. Republicans hate Cheney. She's out.
Should be an interesting primary season for the Republican Party.
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Re: Trump can't stand DeSantis. He won't allow DeSantis to get
Feb 23, 2022, 10:31 AM
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I'm telling you: never, ever underestimate Rupert Murdoch's ability to kingmake. Or queenmake.
Fox turns its primetime Infotainer lineup to rehabbing Cheney's image, they'll have MAGA World loving her in a week.
Fox is the real power in the GOP. You have to look no further than Tucker Carlson making Ted Cruz absolutely crawl for all to see to realize that.
It all comes down, ultimately, to what Rupert decides to do. It's been like that for the GOP since at least 2010 when they basically ran John Boehner out of Washington on a rail.
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Murdoch is no miracle worker. Trump endorsed her opponent.
Feb 23, 2022, 10:43 AM
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Cheney is despised by the GOP and will likely lose re-election. Cheney is chickenshite to the GOP. Even Rupert Murdoch can't make chicken salad out of that.
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Re: Murdoch is no miracle worker. Trump endorsed her opponent.
Feb 23, 2022, 10:46 AM
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He has the GOP base convinced January 6th was a "legitimate political discussion" and the real villains there were FBI instigators running false-flag operations...and you doubt Murdoch's ability to make chicken salad out of nothing but chicken feathers?
Dude. He's state TV now. And he has his base literally programmed into a cult that listens to him and nothing but him now. This ain't the Fox News of the 1990's anymore.
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Exactly. January 6th was "legitimate political discussion"
Feb 23, 2022, 10:56 AM
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and Liz Cheney is the lead Republican on the Jan 6th Committee seeking the truth about what happened and pointing the finger directly at Donald Trump. The current GOP has no interest in policy. It is all about grievance. Cheney is the antithesis of the current GOP.
As we saw when Trump said he got the booster, there is a negative riptide in the GOP that even Rupert Murdoch knows better than to try to swim against.
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Three things I love about Liz C.
Feb 23, 2022, 10:04 AM
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Nepotism... who doesn't love folks that ride their parents coattails?
STILL supports her daddy and Dubya going into Iraq. I love it when someone sticks to their guns.
Apposed withdrawing from Afghanistan earlier this year. Love it. Stick to your guns. Spread democracy, or whatever.
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Precisely why I'd NEVER vote for her... but would agree as
Feb 23, 2022, 10:38 AM
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to maintaining Bagram and doing a much more controlled exit WITH our people and equipment.
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I actually think Haley is the right choice
Feb 23, 2022, 9:46 AM
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She's a political chameleon, but she's young enough, sane enough, and grounded enough to get the fringe groups to calm TF down and try to unite America.
Plus, minority woman. That would be a huge play for the GOP.
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She would lose badly.***
Feb 23, 2022, 10:35 AM
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Probably.
Feb 23, 2022, 10:40 AM
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At least in the primaries. Apparently you have to be a raging authoritarian nut to get the GOP nomination now.
But Haley would curbstomp Biden or Harris.
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Raging authoritarians like Trudeau are the opposite of what
Feb 23, 2022, 10:47 AM
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the populists want, and the GOP will go along with what the populists want, or they'll lose.
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The populists wanted Trump.***
Feb 23, 2022, 10:52 AM
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Who isn't all that authoritarian when compared with the
Feb 23, 2022, 10:54 AM
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rest of the field, despite what TDS may lead you to believe.
To me, he is authoritarian, but compared to Democrats and other Republicans, he isn't.
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Re: Who isn't all that authoritarian when compared with the
Feb 23, 2022, 11:05 AM
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WOW!
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Different kind of authoritarian
Feb 23, 2022, 11:09 AM
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Dems and Pubs are the corrupt authority trying to play each other and the people to keep power.
Trump is a wannabe dictator with no respect for the American institution. I guess it's debatable which one is more dangerous.
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Again, TDS. He did nothing "Dictator"-like.***
Feb 23, 2022, 1:55 PM
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Well, those blindly in love with him...
Feb 23, 2022, 2:19 PM
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Won't ever see that. Those who grasp simple history lessons can see it just fine.
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How does Nikki Haley curb stomp anyone if she can't even
Feb 23, 2022, 10:48 AM
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get the Republican nomination? Where would her support come from?
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Liberals like to think liberal GOP candidates would win
Feb 23, 2022, 10:50 AM
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but this falls apart for two reasons:
1) Tribalism is more important to liberals than anything else, even reality. So they wouldn't vote for a liberal GOP candidate (wrong tribe)
2) If the GOP voter supported a liberal and then won the election, what would they really win? More government? Whoopdeedoo
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You think Nikki Haley is liberal?***
Feb 23, 2022, 10:54 AM
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On any issue that actually matters, of course. She never met
Feb 23, 2022, 10:55 AM
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a government spending program she doesn't like. She loves corporatist control of the economy. She loves getting us involved in as many wars as possible and sending out fat federal contracts to corporations. On every issue that actually matters, yes she is liberal.
Just look at her relationship with Boeing and what she did with them when she was Governor. She fits right in with the liberals in DC. (Democrats and Neocons)
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Governor Nikki Haley - "We will not expand Medicaid ever!"
Feb 23, 2022, 11:01 AM
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and hospitals closed all over rural South Carolina including in her hometown of Bamberg.
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she couldn't figure out how to get kickbacks from it
Feb 23, 2022, 1:55 PM
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I'm sure there's more to the story of why hospitals closed. The entire medical industry is tightly controlled by the government.
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Re: Liberals like to think liberal GOP candidates would win
Feb 23, 2022, 11:25 AM
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Disagree. Wholly.
Right-wingers are tribal creatures who focus on Us versus Them. Left-wingers are idealists who focus on wealth and the redistribution of it. Both can go wrong - badly - but when right-wingers go malignant, they turn on anybody from opposing tribes, usually along racial or ethnic lines. When left-wingers go malignant, they start purging anybody with the "wrong" political ideology.
This is what you refuse to understand. They are not the same. Stalin confused Hitler with a "Socialist" because Hitler was part of the "National Socialist Party" in Europe and talked a bit of the talk (in public), and Stalin was foolish enough to imagine they were on the same team. They were not...as Stalin discovered the hard way when the Blitz rolled into the Soviet Union in 1939. The world was a class struggle to Stalin, the rich versus the poor, capitalists versus communists. Hitler was a fake Socialist whose reign was literally defined by the Big Lie - and he was not even remotely interested in turning the world into a classless worker's paradise...he wanted to exterminate all races he perceived as inferior and take their land for the Master Race, allow "Ubermen" (supermen) like himself to rule it with an iron fist, and the fake socialism he presented to the world was just a mask for the masses - who he literally regarded as "rabble", a term coined by Nietszche, who was his inspiration just as Karl Marx was for Stalin.
In almost every way, Nazism was a direct reaction to Communism.
Not. The. Same.
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Because...
Feb 23, 2022, 10:53 AM
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You have to be radical it seems now to get out of the primary, and the sane, somewhat moderate people pick each other apart. If she could clear that, she would now be appealing to the independent/moderate base in the main voting populous, and those are the people who decide elections.
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You left out a key part of the equation.
Feb 23, 2022, 10:58 AM
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The candidate must have the support of the base of his/her party or the relatively small group of voters in the middle won't matter.
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If she ran against Biden/Harris
Feb 23, 2022, 11:10 AM
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She would have the full backing of the GOP base.
That middle group isn't small. It's one third of the voters. Like I said, that group decides elections.
You run Haley against this current administration, IMO, and she wins in a landslide.
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Haley is a snake in the grass just like Lindsey Graham.***
Feb 23, 2022, 10:45 AM
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Or just sane as in the occasional compromise.***
Feb 23, 2022, 11:24 AM
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Re: Back to mental midget, DeSantis:
Feb 23, 2022, 10:08 AM
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Hogan would seem like a sane choice. He probably wouldn't stand a chance because of that very reason though.
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I think DeSantis is the best pick honestly.
Feb 23, 2022, 10:36 AM
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Hopefully he runs on a platform of dismantling the federal government.
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Underestimate Ron at your own peril
Feb 23, 2022, 10:56 AM
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The guy brings people together. He’s aggressive and he would end Joe or Kamala in a debate. You all already know that I don’t like him, but he is absolutely the clear winner against any democrat running today.
Cheney is laughable. So is Kinzinger. So is Mitt and Paul Ryan. Cruz and Haley could compete. If Trump runs, all bets are off, of course.
2024 you’ll see Justin Amash/Spike Cohen get double digits. You heard it here first.
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I don't think Ron is anti-government enough but he's the
Feb 23, 2022, 10:59 AM
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populist choice if he runs and Trump doesn't.
If the GOP picks another neocon like Haley or Mittens, they'll lose a close race to the Democrats while the libertarians get 15%.
If it's Trump or DeSantis, they win (assuming accurate vote counting)
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Re: I don't think Ron is anti-government enough but he's the
Feb 23, 2022, 11:04 AM
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Ron isn’t anti-government at all. He’s anti-democrat government. He and Trump are both for huge red government just like Biden is for huge blue government.
Build=Make
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Biden is just Blue MAGA just without considering America at all.
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Oculus Spirit [83004]
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Anyone mentioned would beat Biden or Harris at this point.
Feb 23, 2022, 11:23 AM
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Mitt was a strong candidate. Would have beaten Hillary. Trump would have lost to Obama like Mitt did. Same with McCain.
Trump ran against very weak candidates in Hillary (email scandal killed her with independents) and Biden.
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Re: Anyone mentioned would beat Biden or Harris at this point.
Feb 23, 2022, 11:27 AM
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Mitt WAS a strong candidate, sort of. I think the days of the repubs running some weak chinned pword punching bag like Mitt or McCain are over. Y’all bullied them and framed them as nazis and they were both center-left repubs. Now you’re going to get tough guys for the near future. You saw it work with Trump and you’re about to get more heavy doses of it. This next election will be the nastiest we have ever seen. And 2028 will be even worse. The repubs know they can’t run a nice guy with the media being what it is.
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Disagree. They were both center right. It's funny what
Feb 23, 2022, 1:27 PM
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people consider weak or strong. They consider Trump strong and tough and he couldn't even beat Biden.
I voted for Obama in 08 and Mitt in 12. Obama would have beaten the pants off Trump.
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Re: Disagree. They were both center right. It's funny what
Feb 23, 2022, 1:31 PM
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I mean… Trump went pretty hard after Biden. No one would call Trump weak. He fought pretty hard.
Mitt and McCain (we can debate whether center right or center left, both were for socialized medicine at some point) really took it on the chin, barely defending themselves against ludicrous claims and never went on offense at all. Most of the Republicans I know would call them weak. And it made most of them really mad and they wanted a champion of their causes who would battle the Dems, and they got one.
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Trump is the overwhelming favorite at this point.
Feb 23, 2022, 11:26 AM
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Look for Trump to sabotage the GOP if he isn't the nominee for whatever reason.
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Re: Back to mental midget, DeSantis:
Feb 23, 2022, 11:04 AM
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DeSantis would not get my primary vote
Feb 23, 2022, 11:27 AM
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I tend to pick fiscal conservatives and they never win the primary.
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