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OSU and the Mighty Big Ten
Dec 9, 2019, 5:57 PM
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Minnesota was one of the top teams, upset Penn State (who hung with OSU late). Interesting to see how Minnesota performed outside of the Big Ten. Played San Diego St. won by 7, Fresno St. won by 3 in OT, Georgia Southern won by 3. How strong is the Big Ten? Media?
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presumably Minnesota got better as the season progressed***
Dec 9, 2019, 6:08 PM
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Re: OSU and the Mighty Big Ten
Dec 9, 2019, 6:17 PM
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Great question. And, yes, presumably they got better. But, see how we make that assumption about them? No ACC team could struggle OOC even in wins then go on and win consistently in the league w/o scrutiny. It would be: "they got in their conference and now look like world beaters"! Bad teams beating up each other would be the narrative.
Penn St. should have lost to Pitt but just got plum lucky(they hustled and made plays so kudos). Pitt wasn't a top ACC team; but a decent team.
I think the entire Big 10 was overrated all season long and nobody questioned it. Not when a bunch of your media come from those schools.
Fields is explosive and Dobbins are good. Much like us they are head and shoulders better than anything the rest of the Big 10 has to offer! I've said it all year; it's hard to gauge how good they are. They don't pull starters so they have inflated numbers. And, to me, they played just as suspect a schedule as we did. Despite where some of those teams are ranked - which I can care less about. More political than anything.
We will have to play well to defeat them that's for certain. But, I think we have what it takes!
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Re: OSU and the Mighty Big Ten
Dec 9, 2019, 6:29 PM
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Most overrated conference in history. Imo
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B10 plays very few OOC games vs Power 5 teams now.
Dec 9, 2019, 8:00 PM
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They went to a 9 game conference schedule so once teams schedule a few wins against FBS types, they have no games left for the P5. When they do play a P5 it's always a weakling, and they often lose those, i.e., Nebraska losing to a weak Colorado, MSU losing to ASU. I didn't check all of their schedules but, I think, their best OOC P5 wins were Iowa beating ISU and PSU beating Pitt (barely). By far, their best OOC win was UM beating ND.
Sure, the ACC had a tough year OOC, but our teams did play a bunch of Top 15 - 20 teams. ACC teams played UGA, BAMA, FLA (2x), PSU, Boise State and ND (5x). Also, most of those were on the road or at "neutral" sites. Of course we lost all of those games, but 5 were one possession games. If just a few of those went our way the narrative could be different. If Miami and Pitt won early season games against UF and PSU that would've changed some of the narrative.
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Re: B10 plays very few OOC games vs Power 5 teams now.
Dec 11, 2019, 11:31 AM
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What is the B1G overrated against? Big 12? PAC 12? Honestly, I can't think of an ACC team outside of Clemson that would finish better than 4th in either division of the B1G.
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Re: B10 plays very few OOC games vs Power 5 teams now.
Dec 11, 2019, 11:41 AM
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I guess it’s all about perception. I can’t think of a big ten team other than Ohio State that Clemson wouldn’t have drug the same way we did Virginia in the ACC Championship.
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Re: B10 plays very few OOC games vs Power 5 teams now.
Dec 11, 2019, 11:46 AM
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Penn State is the slowest top 10 football team (at the end of the season) I have watched play a football game in probably the last 5 years or more.
I'm not saying the ACC is better than the Big 10, but the idea that Ohio St is far more tested this season than Clemson is ridiculous.
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Re: OSU and the Mighty Big Ten
Dec 11, 2019, 11:54 AM
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Minnesota is a bit of an odd-ball, along with Indiana. Both have basically become pass heavy spread offenses and are finally getting players into that approach/ They are both pass-oriented as compared to the slow-in-the-snow folks.
As a result, despite talent gaps, they have been better at score and this getting a lot more wins that recent history. You don't see 12-7 or 17-10 games for them, more like 38-34 or similar. The only exception is of course Maryland but Fleck and Allen needed a couple of years. They are not better defensively (like in another tier), but they can use a more effective offense and win even when they give up 30 (something you can't do if you are slow).
Basically both Minn and Indiana (and to a less extent OSU) exploit the rest of the traditional B10. However, their approach, while novel in the B10 is more common elsewhere. Fresno, GSoU, SDSU all have played against this and thus the scheme advantage does not really apply.
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Re: OSU and the Mighty Big Ten
Dec 11, 2019, 12:09 PM
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Minnesota was one of the top teams, upset Penn State (who hung with OSU late). Interesting to see how Minnesota performed outside of the Big Ten. Played San Diego St. won by 7, Fresno St. won by 3 in OT, Georgia Southern won by 3. How strong is the Big Ten? Media?
Minnesota vastly improved throughout the season. Minnesota actually has high end athletes at the skill positions as well, something that Wisconsin and Iowa in the B1G West can’t say so they do have a bit of a higher ceiling if they put it all together. I think the B1G is widely considered the second best conference this year and I think that’s fair and properly rated personally. Obviously Clemson would be either the best or second best team in the B1G so please don’t take that as us being as ignorant as SEC fans who would lead you to believe Clemson would have 3-4 losses if they played in the B1G.
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Re: OSU and the Mighty Big Ten
Dec 11, 2019, 12:11 PM
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The Big Ten was 34-8 out of conference. BIG TEN went 4-5 versus other Power 5 leagues.
The SEC was 42-24 out of conference. SEC went 8-6 versus other Power 5 leagues.
The ACC was 35-19 out of conference. ACC went 4-9 versus other Power 5 leagues.
Big Ten plays fewer OOC games and has a losing record versus other Power 5 leagues.
SEC plays a lot of OOC games and they have a reasonable but not overwhelming 8-6 record vs Power 5.
ACC plays a lot of OOC games and we have a weak 4-9 record vs the other Power 5 leagues.
Make of it what you will.
I'm hoping Clemson wins two more OOC games this season!
(All the numbers here come from Colley's Bias Free Matrix website.)
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Scooter said it best the other day.
Dec 11, 2019, 12:12 PM
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the sport has left the Rust/Snow Belt schools behind. Beefy, plodding, power football of the North and Midwest is on its last breath. Michigan. Penn State. Nebraska. Notre Dame. Ohio State is the last one left with the lights on. Anyone with eyes sees their neighbor schools dying a slow death. Oh, they look good playing amongst themselves, matched speed and schemes. The media tries as much as they can to prop them up and overrate them every season, but it's a lost cause. Southern football has the recruits, the high school competition, the athletic talent, the weather for year-long workouts....and the success. Ohio St. is hanging in there, they've got a couple Nattys this century, and I give them high marks for keeping up. But how much longer?
When is the last time a school (other than OSU) located above I-40 won a National Championship? (FYI I-40 runs coast-coast through Raleigh, Nashville, Oklahoma to Cali). You have to go back to 1997, when Nebraska/Michigan split it. Nearly 25 years. Think about THAT. OSU is all that remains.
But the clock is ticking. It's inevitable. Like Army, Princeton, Notre Dame. Ohio State is on the list. Their kindred are already there. Ask a Nebraska fan.
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Re: Scooter said it best the other day.
Dec 11, 2019, 12:15 PM
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I personally believe Ohio, PA, NJ, and the DMV are putting out great levels of HS talent. Hell the B1G has been the best the conference has been that I can remember.
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