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How come Coach Bender doesn't get an offer?
Apr 18, 2022, 8:59 AM
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To be an assistant somewhere else?
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Assistants often reach out to other schools if they are interested
Apr 18, 2022, 9:10 AM
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in making a move.
Bender likes Clemson and works well with Brad. He actually coached Brad at DePauw so they go way back.
It’s silly that you assume that Bender wouldn’t be a candidate at other schools, simply because you haven’t read an article or seen a tweet about other schools coming after him.
How much did you hear about other schools’ interest in Reynolds-Dean or Richardson before their hires at other schools were announced? Answer: zero.
I know you just try to stir up drama here, but surely you can recognize that Brad is doing something right to have so many of his assistants leave for head coaching jobs or assistant jobs at other power 5 programs. It says a lot about his reputation in the coaching industry.
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Re: Assistants often reach out to other schools if they are interested
Apr 18, 2022, 9:23 AM
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in making a move.
Bender likes Clemson and works well with Brad. He actually coached Brad at DePauw so they go way back.
It’s silly that you assume that Bender wouldn’t be a candidate at other schools, simply because you haven’t read an article or seen a tweet about other schools coming after him.
How much did you hear about other schools’ interest in Reynolds-Dean or Richardson before their hires at other schools were announced? Answer: zero.
I know you just try to stir up drama here, but surely you can recognize that Brad is doing something right to have so many of his assistants leave for head coaching jobs or assistant jobs at other power 5 programs. It says a lot about his reputation in the coaching industry.
Lol. You are telling me about stirring up trouble... kettle is black...
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Re: Assistants often reach out to other schools if they are interested
Apr 18, 2022, 9:32 AM
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in making a move.
Bender likes Clemson and works well with Brad. He actually coached Brad at DePauw so they go way back.
It’s silly that you assume that Bender wouldn’t be a candidate at other schools, simply because you haven’t read an article or seen a tweet about other schools coming after him.
How much did you hear about other schools’ interest in Reynolds-Dean or Richardson before their hires at other schools were announced? Answer: zero.
I know you just try to stir up drama here, but surely you can recognize that Brad is doing something right to have so many of his assistants leave for head coaching jobs or assistant jobs at other power 5 programs. It says a lot about his reputation in the coaching industry.
Also Judge read this:
Looks like Clemson starting to get higher up ranked standings in spending.
If you go to the link just put in compare with other schools tab toward the bottom right. You would put in total operating expenses for basketball for 20-21. The fact that during a covid year that Clemson is ranked 37 is saying something. Now it less than the 19-20 year but Clemson climbed from ranked 43 to 35. And look at those schools that are considered having more basketball success than Clemson. Memphis, Purdue, Wisconsin, Georgia Tech, Iowa State, Kansas State, UNLV. These are schools that havae gone to Final Fours and won Nattys.
A lot of schools also dropped more than Clemson for the Covid year. Schools more known for basketball in the ACC, SEC and nationally.
The fact that Clemson didn't drop as much shows it was important to hold firm on spending money even it had to cut some due to Covid.
I expect these figures to even climb even more for Clemson in 21-22. Brad no longer as the excuse and need to start putting up post season success to what the rankings show.
Expenses 2020-21
1 Texas $17,738,598
2 Kentucky $17,180,834
3 Kansas $14,116,246
4 Arizona $13,586,274
5 Louisville $12,449,423
6 Indiana $11,361,335
7 Oklahoma $10,587,027
8 Ole Miss $10,544,475
9 Nebraska $10,395,527
10 Virginia $10,303,798
11 Tennessee $10,248,534
12 Auburn $9,917,358
13 Michigan State $9,606,097
14 Ohio State $9,481,027
15 Texas Tech $9,156,001
16 UCLA $9,072,651
17 Illinois $8,983,664
18 Utah $8,597,512
19 Oregon $8,528,187
20 Florida State $8,459,689
21 Alabama $8,387,815
22 Arkansas $8,201,217
23 North Carolina $8,157,849
24 Rutgers $8,014,944
25 Houston $7,963,934
26 Maryland $7,727,539
27 Connecticut $7,578,043
28 LSU $7,577,482
29 West Virginia $7,533,734
30 NC State $7,438,306
31 Missouri $7,321,237
32 Penn State $7,194,442
33 Michigan $7,178,783
34 Iowa $7,174,148
35 Florida $7,063,816
36 Arizona State $6,993,562
37 Clemson $6,794,521
38 Virginia Tech $6,706,124
39 Memphis $6,630,867
40 South Carolina $6,612,640
41 Purdue $6,605,656
42 Wisconsin $6,574,235
43 Minnesota $6,296,158
44 Mississippi State $6,260,208
45 Iowa State $6,160,639
46 Kansas State $6,098,564
47 California $5,912,460
48 Washington State $5,803,658
49 Georgia Tech $5,774,159
50 Colorado $5,156,520
51 Oklahoma State $5,097,903
52 Oregon State $5,010,897
53 UNLV $4,822,800
54 Cincinnati. $4,700,000
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School Men's Basketball Total Operating Expenses 2019-20 Men's Basketball Total Operating Expenses 2020-21 Difference
Texas $10,721,208 $17,738,598 $7,017,390
Kansas $10,968,620 $14,116,246 $3,147,626
Arizona $10,795,208 $13,586,274 $2,791,066
Oklahoma $9,669,952 $10,587,027 $917,075
Houston $7,726,256 $7,963,934 $237,678
South Alabama $1,858,093 $2,027,042 $168,949
Texas State $1,805,819 $1,857,656 $51,837
Southern Mississippi $1,885,873 $1,805,475 $-80,398
Georgia Southern $1,622,981 $1,541,356 $-81,625
Central Michigan $2,166,040 $2,063,905 $-102,135
Georgia State $2,628,398 $2,484,584 $-143,814
Penn State $7,368,414 $7,194,442 $-173,972
FIU $2,043,735 $1,866,166 $-177,569
Louisiana, Lafayette $2,561,076 $2,330,652 $-230,424
North Texas $3,029,266 $2,786,595 $-242,671
Western Kentucky $3,185,861 $2,939,169 $-246,692
UTSA $2,398,191 $2,150,124 $-248,067
San Jose State $2,598,369 $2,349,869 $-248,500
FAU $2,049,793 $1,794,893 $-254,900
Michigan $7,469,435 $7,178,783 $-290,652
Utah State $4,783,241 $4,474,902 $-308,339
New Mexico State $3,351,796 $3,040,489 $-311,307
Louisiana, Monroe $1,626,464 $1,298,504 $-327,960
Utah $8,926,637 $8,597,512 $-329,125
Toledo $2,465,023 $2,134,330 $-330,693
App State $1,978,719 $1,644,277 $-334,442
Rutgers $8,350,138 $8,014,944 $-335,194
Ball State $1,940,843 $1,566,324 $-374,519
UTEP $3,803,326 $3,411,469 $-391,857
Northern Illinois $1,668,100 $1,255,013 $-413,087
Middle Tennessee $3,151,735 $2,714,365 $-437,370
Buffalo $3,019,576 $2,569,833 $-449,743
Eastern Michigan $2,048,250 $1,478,566 $-569,684
Wyoming $3,596,687 $3,002,972 $-593,715
Virginia $10,914,228 $10,303,798 $-610,430
Boise State $3,531,302 $2,913,410 $-617,892
Colorado State $4,328,160 $3,685,315 $-642,845
Nevada $3,897,936 $3,229,484 $-668,452
Miami (Ohio) $2,322,697 $1,634,566 $-688,131
Marshall $3,001,880 $2,292,463 $-709,417
Nebraska $11,142,604 $10,395,527 $-747,077
Fresno State $3,221,377 $2,424,425 $-796,952
Bowling Green $2,622,558 $1,822,773 $-799,785
Charlotte $3,685,899 $2,886,076 $-799,823
UNLV $5,630,536 $4,822,800 $-807,736
Old Dominion $3,520,745 $2,710,776 $-809,969
New Mexico $4,143,361 $3,322,943 $-820,418
Maryland $8,563,323 $7,727,539 $-835,784
Kentucky $18,047,858 $17,180,834 $-867,024
Akron $3,087,252 $2,169,057 $-918,195
Washington State $6,778,055 $5,803,658 $-974,397
Western Michigan $2,204,126 $1,210,588 $-993,538
North Carolina $9,162,989 $8,157,849 $-1,005,140
Alabama $9,429,629 $8,387,815 $-1,041,814
East Carolina $4,065,679 $3,006,942 $-1,058,737
Mississippi State $7,373,585 $6,260,208 $-1,113,377
Clemson $7,955,154 $6,794,521 $-1,160,633
UCF $5,554,279 $4,316,642 $-1,237,637
California $7,177,831 $5,912,460 $-1,265,371
San Diego State $5,560,084 $4,256,832 $-1,303,252
Kent State $2,022,791 $697,527 $-1,325,264
South Florida $4,982,170 $3,639,124 $-1,343,046
Oregon State $6,401,055 $5,010,897 $-1,390,158
Colorado $6,568,546 $5,156,520 $-1,412,026
Iowa State $7,584,087 $6,160,639 $-1,423,448
Massachusetts $4,302,473 $2,815,093 $-1,487,380
Cincinnati $6,216,027 $4,687,781 $-1,528,246
https://www.sportico.com/business/commerce/2021/college-sports-finances-database-intercollegiate-1234646029/
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Re: Assistants often reach out to other schools if they are interested
Apr 18, 2022, 9:37 AM
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How many times can you post the same thing? Neff has stated that spending on basketball is going to go up. There were other things mentioned like nutritional facilities like the Paw Bistro for football and enhancing Swann Pavilion. At the end of the day, Neff and Brownell are removing any excuses as it pertains to winning. You should be happy about this. If Brownell is the coach you think he is, Clemson will have a new basketball coach possibly as early as next year.
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Re: Wow! More than the ACC champion??***
Apr 18, 2022, 9:53 AM
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ACCT champion. It means VT got hot and won a tournament that has no relation to the season or NCAAT. Would you rather be North Carolina or VT?
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Oh please. They were ACC champs and got automatic bid to NCAAT.
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Apr 18, 2022, 10:02 AM
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The regular season championship is a big accomplishment, but that was not UNC.
UNC just got hot at tournament time as well.
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Yes, they got the automatic bid.
Apr 18, 2022, 10:29 AM
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I know that UNC wasn't the ACC champ. Would you rather be VT or Duke this year? VT or Miami?
Regular season title is a much greater accomplishment than winning a tournament that has no relation to the season you just completed. I would do away with conference tournaments. The automatic bid means there is too much emphasis on the conference tournament.
UNC didn't just get hot at the tournament. They started clicking around early February and rode that through the tournament. Based on recruiting rankings, I believe they had more 4* and 5* players than any team in the ACC.
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My point was simply that Clemson spent more $ than VT
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Apr 18, 2022, 10:45 AM
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and VT won the ACC championship (which they did).
I know the regular season title means a lot. That’s why I say that Clemson does indeed have an ACC title in our history.
But are you saying that a national championship would be meaningless? Because you could just get hot in March and April and win that…regardless of how you did in the regular season?
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Maybe not meaningless . . .
Apr 18, 2022, 10:51 AM
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I don't know that meaningless is the right word, but I think the NCAAT is about the worst way to determine a champion. Conference tournaments, to me, are meaningless. I think basketball needs to adopt something similar to baseball, but it will never happen. There's too much money mainly because it captures the hardcore, casual, and non-existent during the regular season fan.
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You'd THINK - since we spend the same amount as this
Apr 19, 2022, 10:22 AM
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year's ACC Champion - that, just like them, we'd be able to catch a lucky flyer or "GET HOT" ONCE in TWELVE YEARS and maybe, MAYBE do something other than crap the court. CAN'T be that we have LOUSY coaching - HAS to be something else.
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Any of the above would be better than what we did...
Apr 20, 2022, 12:41 AM
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VT has done something we NEVER have in the ACC so yeah...I'd be fine with being them.
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Re: Assistants often reach out to other schools if they are interested
Apr 18, 2022, 1:54 PM
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Must be difficult to keep spending up for basketball when:
1. Income still down from COVID
2. Low annual payouts from the ACC
3. The basketball team does not make ANY postseason tournament
4. Most importantly, the cash cow (football) misses the CFP.
Basketball needs to contribute to it's own finances by making the NCAA tournament.
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Re: How come Coach Bender doesn't get an offer?
Apr 18, 2022, 9:56 AM
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Always with the negative vibes, Moriarity.
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Re: How come Coach Bender doesn't get an offer?
Apr 18, 2022, 10:31 AM
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So if Clemson throws 1.3 million toward basketball then we can expect to be in the NCAAT Championship game next year.
I say do it now because the return to investment is a good financial decision.
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Re: How come Coach Bender doesn't get an offer?
Apr 18, 2022, 10:40 AM
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Bender did leave / Earl Grant, when Grant went to CofC- several years back. Bender returned to
Clemson a year or more before Grant was hired at BC.
Brad has got to find a 'recruiting dynamo' to help lure some prime-time recruits to Clemson. PJ should help lure 1 or 2, as he is going to be a standout in ACC and college hoops.
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Maybe Will Wade would come back as a top assistant.
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Apr 18, 2022, 4:14 PM
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It’s now totally legal to make “strong asss offers”… so why not??
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Re: How come Coach Bender doesn't get an offer?
Apr 18, 2022, 11:12 AM
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In my opinion, Bender is the biggest liability on our coaching staff. Doesn't recruit well and doesn't particularly relate to players all that well. I'll never understand why he continues to be retained, unless Brad owes him some kind of personal favor or something.
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Why don’t you think he relates to players?***
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Re: How come Coach Bender doesn't get an offer?
Apr 19, 2022, 10:44 AM
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Woweee! So I guess you have been dead wrong about him the whole time. Not surprising
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Re: How come Coach Bender doesn't get an offer?
Apr 19, 2022, 10:57 AM
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Re: How come Coach Bender doesn't get an offer?
Apr 19, 2022, 10:44 AM
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Woweee! So I guess you have been dead wrong about him the whole time. Not surprising
the troll finally found it on google i guess
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Re: How come Coach Bender doesn't get an offer?
Apr 19, 2022, 12:11 PM
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So, by this logic, when Cleveland State immediately offered Shyatt a job that meant we were wrong and he's actually a great coach. You guys bend yourselves into pretzels trying to defend Brownell. They're a Division III school. I imagine just about any Power 5 assistant could be a D3 head coach. Most aren't interested because they get paid significantly better as D1 assistants.
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Re: How come Coach Bender doesn't get an offer?
Apr 19, 2022, 1:37 PM
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NOT DEFENDING ANYONE. THE TROLL IS THE ONE THAT BROUGHT UP THE QUESTION. HE CLAIMS TO BE THE KNOWER OF EVERYTHING CLEMSON BASKETBALL.
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Re: How come Coach Bender doesn't get an offer?
Apr 19, 2022, 2:29 PM
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I was responding to ClemMountaineer who was bizarrely flexing over #### Bender being in the running for a D3 coaching job.
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Re: How come Coach Bender doesn't get an offer?
Apr 19, 2022, 3:24 PM
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Can you read? Wow.
Nctigs has commented multiple times about how good ole d!ck bender never gets contacted for jobs. And he created this thread about how he doesn't get any offers to be assistants at other schools. I know for a fact that none of this is true.
I do not believe the fact that he might leave for a head coaching gig changes his coaching status or talent.
What's it like debating with made up arguments in your head?
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Hearing that he is a candidate for a head coaching job
Apr 19, 2022, 3:30 PM
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makes this thread even more hilarious!
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Re: How come Coach Bender doesn't get an offer?
Apr 19, 2022, 4:28 PM
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If you’re being remotely serious I don’t know what I’m supposed to do with someone who can’t place anything within context. First, you literally put adjectives in my mouth about Brownell and Purnell. You suggest that because I have so much as posted in a thread about them that I most hold that position (making sure we’re clear about made up arguments). Then turn around and act all indignant that I might perceive you taking a victory lap over #### Bender getting considered for a job as an indication that you’re rebutting NCTigs digs at his coaching ability. You were only calling nctigs out for being factually inaccurate about the one thing. Of course with this indigence you’re validating NCTigs original point but okay. Summation: nctigs wrong about #### Bender getting job offers, nctigs right about #### Bender being a bad coach. Glad we could straighten that out.
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Re: How come Coach Bender doesn't get an offer?
Apr 19, 2022, 7:09 PM
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If you’re being remotely serious I don’t know what I’m supposed to do with someone who can’t place anything within context. First, you literally put adjectives in my mouth about Brownell and Purnell. You suggest that because I have so much as posted in a thread about them that I most hold that position (making sure we’re clear about made up arguments). Then turn around and act all indignant that I might perceive you taking a victory lap over #### Bender getting considered for a job as an indication that you’re rebutting NCTigs digs at his coaching ability. You were only calling nctigs out for being factually inaccurate about the one thing. Of course with this indigence you’re validating NCTigs original point but okay. Summation: nctigs wrong about #### Bender getting job offers, nctigs right about #### Bender being a bad coach. Glad we could straighten that out.
Nc tigs was wrong. I said nc tigs was wrong. Nc tigs admitted he was wrong on this very thread.
And you are belligerently arguing with basically nobody. I didn't realize you had such a hard on for nc tigs. I will keep that in mind in the future. I really don't want to hurt your feelings.
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Re: How come Coach Bender doesn't get an offer?
Apr 19, 2022, 10:55 AM
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How come Coach Bender doesn't get an offer?
Apr 18, 2022, 8:59 AM
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To be an assistant somewhere else?
well well well. as a matter of fact coach bender is in the top 3 for a head job at a smaller school. seems like being the troll you are you would have known that.
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Re: How come Coach Bender doesn't get an offer?
Apr 19, 2022, 1:17 PM
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Maybe because his wife screeches the whole game behind the Clemson bench. (Joking but not joking..). I think someone asked her to calm down bc she didn’t do it near as much this year.
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