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As much as I love DW4, his strongarming his way out of
Apr 15, 2022, 11:37 AM
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Houston has started a domino effect that is just detrimental to all fans of any particular NFL team. Why? Because now, NFL greed knows no bounds. What were formerly "untouchable" franchise quarterbacks are just bargaining chips, like any other player.
Russell Wilson leaves Seattle.
Matt Ryan leaves Atlanta.
Now, Kyler Murray is trying to leverage his way out of Arizona, it seems. And, generally, it seems that ANY player who establishes themselves as a top shelf player at their position is now no longer content to play under the contract that they negotiated just a short time ago.
Deebo Samuel in San Francisco is a perfect example. He basically had one great year, and now is going to either strongarm his way into a much more lucrative deal with the Niners, or, more likely, be shipped out of town in yet another blockbuster trade including multiple high draft picks. This is something that would have been absolute blasphemy for a team to do just a few years ago. And, it still should be. There is no way that NFL teams should expect any kind of fan loyalty, if they trade away key players, betting on an uncertain future, vs trying to continue to build their current team around those talents.
DW4's new contract, which Cleveland inexplicably dropped in his lap with a fully guaranteed $230 million, also points out flaws in the accepted NFL type contract. Owners are PISSED at the Browns for doing it, because, other players will almost certainly hold out for THEIR contracts to be fully guaranteed, going forward now too.
At some point, the escalation has to stop. Not only in the NFL, but in other sports. Take baseball, for example. The Freddie Freeman saga with him exiting to the hated Dodgers is well documented. But, to me, the most shocking is Aaron Judge turning down $30.5 million a year for seven years with the Yankees. I mean, when you get right down to it, how darn much money do you really need, to support even the most extravagant lifestyle?
Greed is rearing its ugly head in unprecedented ways these days, with owners and players both at fault.
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It’s the NBA model.
Apr 15, 2022, 11:40 AM
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Can’t beat um, join in.
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Re: As much as I love DW4, his strongarming his way out of
Apr 15, 2022, 11:44 AM
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Just free market capitalism I suppose.
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The people now running that organization are bat #### crazy!
Apr 15, 2022, 11:46 AM
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It’s a terrible organization and a terrible team. I would do the exact same thing.
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Re: As much as I love DW4, his strongarming his way out of
Apr 15, 2022, 11:47 AM
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I agree with pretty much everything you said. Until people quit going to the games, buying their merchandise, and quit watching them on TV, nothing will change... it will only get worse. Professional sports has turned into a monster, and college sports is hot on their heels.
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Re: As much as I love DW4, his strongarming his way out of
Apr 15, 2022, 3:20 PM
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“Until people quit going to the games, buying their merchandise, and quit watching them on TV, nothing will change...”
Looks like things are here to stay.
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Re: As much as I love DW4, his strongarming his way out of
Apr 15, 2022, 5:13 PM
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Yuuuuup...
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Re: As much as I love DW4, his strongarming his way out of
Apr 15, 2022, 11:48 AM
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Overall I agree, but I don't think I have as much emotion tied in to it as you. I know you point to DW as the catalyst but I say the expanding greed within the NFL was there long before him. This was just the next step. CDS has long taught humility and being thankful for what you already have but also signed a 9.3M a year contract and built a mega mansion. Do I blame him? No, not exactly. He's also part of a long history of ever expanding salaries.
But I do say none of these moves surprise me. When you are talking about not only life changing money, but multi-generation changing money, I imagine its hard to turn any of that down.
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Leaving Houston had nothing to do with greed!
Apr 15, 2022, 12:00 PM
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He wanted out of Houston because they are terrible organization and a terrible team.
Picking Cleveland over some better teams was clearly out of greed. But that had nothing to do with him leaving Houston.
The south succeeding was largely because of slavery and other economics. Lincoln instigating the war of Northern aggression had nothing to do with slavery and everything to do with forcing the south back into the union for economic reasons.
Both of these things are examples of two mutually exclusive events that are tied together and conflated.
And please if you think Lincoln cared about the slaves or that the Civil War was really about slavery then you have never actually read the Emancipation Proclamation and you have never read Lincolns letter to Horace Greeley.
Simply Googling and reading those two documents will shatter everything you have ever been taught about Lincoln and the Civil War. Which actually was not a Civil War because the south was not fighting for control of the American government. It was the war of Northern aggression or more accurately the second American Revolution.
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Re: Leaving Houston had nothing to do with greed!
Apr 15, 2022, 12:53 PM
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Thanks for stating the reference to Lincoln's letter to Horace Greeley. It clearly shows where Lincoln's priorities lay.
My mother (from Augusta, GA) was a very smart woman. From the time I could go to school, she made certain I heard her opinion that the Civil War was not about slavery, but about states' rights, taxation and an overbearing federal system. Lincoln pretty much said the same thing to Greeley. Ending slavery for Lincoln was mainly considered a means to an end - an end he considered his job to produce. History has rewritten his intent otherwise. While it (emancipation) was a noble and righteous undertaking, it has been wrongly painted as the primary reason for his actions.
OTOH, the right to keep slaves and to introduce slavery in westward territorial expansion was one of the fundamental states' rights arguments of southern secession, so it can be pointed to as a foundational rationale of the the South's secession. The fact that Lincoln cared more about maintaining the Union than he did about slavery does not eliminate the fact that slavery was an element of the Civil War.
That conflict is one that can be argued on both sides forever without a clear answer, but a root cause analysis would likely find that slavery was the underlying condition that resulted in animosity between the North and South.
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It was all extremely complicated. Much more nuanced than people want to admit. !
Apr 15, 2022, 3:07 PM
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Succession was clearly about slavery. But the war was not about slavery. The war was about forcing the south back into the union. And anyone that denies that has never read Lincoln‘s letters.
Just like Pearl Harbor and joining World War II were mutually exclusive events.
9/11 and invading Iraq were mutually exclusive events.
All of these things are conflated and people think they are one thing: cause and effect. But that’s not what happened at all. Each one of these things had an action and there could have been multiple reactions or no reaction at all.
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Re: Leaving Houston had nothing to do with greed!
Apr 15, 2022, 2:28 PM
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Who were the "better" teams than Cleveland? From what I have read, Cleveland has, by far, the best offensive line and running backs than any other team that was chasing DW4.
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I don’t remember the teams involved off the top of my head.
Apr 15, 2022, 3:10 PM
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There were teams being talked about that were considered better than Cleveland. Not only that but much better climate and no state taxes and those two things would absolutely factor into my decision. I’ll have to make some time and go back and look, but it won’t be today or this weekend. I’m heading out the door for Easter.
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Re: As much as I love DW4, his strongarming his way out of
Apr 15, 2022, 11:56 AM
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I wish I had one of those strong armed contracts.
No one held a gun to anybody!
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Exactly!
Apr 15, 2022, 12:05 PM
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Houston is getting four or five draft picks, including three first round draft picks. Even the most incompetent organization should get better by this trade. But I’m sure Houston, much like Jacksonville, will find a way to screw it up! Just like Detroit. I’m sure if I actually put an ounce of thought into this I could name a few other teams that are historically terrible!
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I agree with your point, but Matt Ryan’s situation was different.
Apr 15, 2022, 12:00 PM
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He loves Atlanta and wanted to stay, but Atlanta wanted to start rebuilding. The Falcons took far less than Ryan’s market value in the trade in order for Matt to go somewhere with a chance to win. The Falcons got to unload his huge contract, which will help the cap next year.
I’m a Falcons fan and wanted to clarify that Ryan has been the consummate professional and I’m glad Atlanta did right by him. Definitely not a prima donna type of situation.
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I don't think Matt Ryan has a greedy bone in his body. I
Apr 15, 2022, 12:25 PM
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used him to point out the shift in teams thinking. He is a top tier QB, and the thought of a team dealing away one of those "franchise" QBs would have been taboo just a few years ago. The owners even came up with a way to FORCE the player to stay with them at least another year on their terms awhile back. It is called "The Franchise Tag". Owners use it as a stopgap when they cannot come to an agreement with a player on a new contract.
Just another part of the business side of the NFL that I hate.
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I think it is a case of the NFL catching up
Apr 15, 2022, 12:03 PM
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with other sports. The NBA, MLB and European soccer have had players strongarming their way into bigtime moves for a long time. The NFL was the only one where players did not have that same kind of power until recently.
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True. But it doesn’t change one obvious fact.
Apr 15, 2022, 12:09 PM
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If Houston wasn’t such a terrible organization and such a terrible team Watson would not want to leave. It’s a two-way street.
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My only real beef with DW4 leaving Houston is the fact that
Apr 15, 2022, 12:33 PM
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he had just signed a new, very lucrative contract there, even AFTER they gave away Nuk Hopkins. That alone should have raised so many red flags that he never signed that extension to begin with. Then, he would have had all the leverage to get out of Houston, as his rookie deal was about to be up.
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Re: As much as I love DW4, his strongarming his way out of
Apr 15, 2022, 12:18 PM
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It will stop when owners stop giving in to the players. For my part I don’t go to pro sport games, I don’t but their merchandise especially jerseys or shoes and I cancel live TV for half the year. Let them be profitable but not with my money
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It always amazes me people side with owners, employers,
Apr 15, 2022, 12:23 PM
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Management. 99% of the time those is charge have the power. Occasionally the worm turns and people get ruffled.
If a low income worker ghosts their employer, quits without notice people get upset. But when employers downsize, reorganize, layoff etc…oh well, that’s just “the free market”
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Today whether it is professional sports, Hollywood, the music industry
Apr 15, 2022, 12:34 PM
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Management and labor are both millionaires and billionaires and have pretty much equal power. Historically that was not the case. But like everything else when it comes to social justice, that old narrative no longer exists. And the fact that both sides have equal power and both sides are fabulously wealthy with immense privilege that only 1/10 of 1% of Americans will ever experience is why people now universally despise labor and management!!
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Re: It always amazes me people side with owners, employers,
Apr 15, 2022, 3:58 PM
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Depends on the situation. If a company is downsizing to maintain profit then that’s the price of doing business. I work for the man but am thankful for the man because he pays my salary which allows me to make ends meet.
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Re: As much as I love DW4, his strongarming his way out of
Apr 15, 2022, 12:39 PM
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If you got hired to do a job at $X, and your performance far exceeds expectations, you get a raise.
NFL players shouldn't be viewed any different than a software engineer who far exceeds his goal. And one big difference: software engineers aren't limited to a 3-7 year career.
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Re: As much as I love DW4, his strongarming his way out of
Apr 15, 2022, 1:16 PM
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I see it when those guys come to the NFL under a Rookie contract, once they have proved they can play big boy FB, especially a QB, they should go after as much money as a team is willing to pay to have a proven young franchise type QB. They suffered through a rookie salary cap their first 4 years!!!
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Suffered?
Apr 16, 2022, 12:46 AM
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No one is suffering in the NFL or any other professional sport. If you can make enough money playing a game to not have to get a real job you’re not suffering. Even the lowest paid kicker in the NFL makes several hundred thousand dollars a year, which puts them in the 1% economically.
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His decision was made easy...
Apr 15, 2022, 2:34 PM
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When they continued to surpass seemingly impossible levels of stupidity by continuing to eclipse the worst front office decisions in the history of professional sports franchises, their own. A wise career extending business move. As far as a domino effect, I like it. It reveals more about the players and the league. A league heavy on propaganda and super sensitive to misinformed woke nonsense & theories. Also can serve to dispel media fabrications or contrived narratives crafted by a players publicist: "Aaron Rodgers will play wherever Davante Adams does". NFL is a Socialist model, it prospers because of the uniformity of the NFL ownership.Socialism can work to a degree but only in countries with smaller populations and most importantly when uniformity is prevalent and diversity is not: Denmark, Sweden,Norway. Diversity grows the welfare state. The sky is blue. 2 + 2 = 4
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Re: As much as I love DW4, his strongarming his way out of
Apr 15, 2022, 2:39 PM
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Deebo Samuel in San Francisco is a perfect example. He basically had one great year, and now is going to either strongarm his way into a much more lucrative deal with the Niners, or, more likely, be shipped out of town in yet another blockbuster trade including multiple high draft picks. This is something that would have been absolute blasphemy for a team to do just a few years ago. And, it still should be. There is no way that NFL teams should expect any kind of fan loyalty, if they trade away key players, betting on an uncertain future, vs trying to continue to build their current team around those talents.
How is Deebo trying to leverage high level play into a high level contract "strongarming"? Should he just roll over and take whatever the 49ers offer? That's absurd. And futhermore why should I care if someone like Deebo Samuel, a player people actually want to pay to see, uses his leverage to squeeze more money out of billionaires that no one cares about?
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Re: As much as I love DW4, his strongarming his way out of
Apr 15, 2022, 3:36 PM
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OK, get off my lawn!
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Re: As much as I love DW4, his strongarming his way out of
Apr 15, 2022, 4:04 PM
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I agree 76er the whole sports deal with pricing, tickets, salaries, concessions is getting out of hand imo. I currently cannot get the Braves on my YouTube subscription but it is 24.99 a month. Dang I love the Braves but can’t justify that price for what I may or may not watch in a month. Often wonder when Clemson will price me out of going to watch them play as well. Cost of living is increasing but my paycheck is not keeping up.
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price me out
Apr 15, 2022, 4:20 PM
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Clemson prices many/most people out of going. Space is limited.
If folks "who can" see no reason to pony up, there will be no games even on utube for us. At Death Valley some can afford the box seats, some sit in nose bleed sections. IPTAY rules.
Some say communism or socialism is the answer, but nope. I spend the money I make on my priorities.
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Re: As much as I love DW4, his strongarming his way out of
Apr 16, 2022, 7:27 AM
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The nfl has been strong arming athletes for ever. His contract or any athletes contract should be voided out or restructured soon as owners/management changes. The contracts always benefits the team. They can take money from you or terminate the contract if you do anything wrong. And it’s not like Houston didn’t get a lot in return. They were paid a kings ransom for him.
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NFL's version of
Apr 16, 2022, 7:58 AM
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transfer portal?
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Re: As much as I love DW4, his strongarming his way out of
Apr 16, 2022, 8:10 AM
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Re: As much as I love DW4, his strongarming his way out of
Apr 16, 2022, 9:01 AM
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I’m not sure you really love DW4 if you’re judging him for “strong arming”.
You are certainly free to have an opinion.
Personally, my opinion is there is a lot about his career and his employer that I don’t know, therefore I’m not gonna judge how he manages his career.
Let’s GO Deshaun!
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Re: As much as I love DW4, his strongarming his way out of
Apr 16, 2022, 9:45 AM
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Greed and stupidity ruined the NFL a long time ago.
DeShaun did what he thought was best, and his agent must be top-shelf.
You make some good points, but I disagree that greed has suddenly taken over the league and DeShaun's contract is the catalyst.
Greed and stupidity aren't new to the NFL.
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Where's Brady?***
Apr 16, 2022, 9:51 AM
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Wait a minute…
Apr 16, 2022, 10:16 AM
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I agree with your statement, but at the end of the day, Houston showed DW4 the cost of strong arming that organization. Do you really think all that dirt comes out on his massage escapades if he wanted to stay in Houston and was all in with that organization? I say not a chance. Houston showed DW4 the cost of playing hardball with Tx big money business. They knew they had that dirt on him and unleashed the dogs when he dissed the organization. Some will cry conspiracy theory but that’s what I’ll always think.
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