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A Different Perspective on Dabo: Is He/Clemson That Solid?
Nov 30, 2012, 1:29 PM
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I posted this on my other favorite site, Southern Pigskin (Which TNET Sponsors)and this is not intended to be an attack on Dabo. This is pure discussion. Clemson fans are still raw about the SCAR game, but it is time to move on…
What are good HC’s known for? Coordinators are easy. look at a few names:
Rich Rod: High Powered Offense
Nick Saban: Defense
Charlie Strong: Defense
Urban Myer: Offense
Mike Leach: Offense
CPJ: Triple Option
The list goes on an on…......
What is Dabo’s specialty? Recruiting and that is it!.....He was never a coordinator and was just an offensive position coach. I guess you could include “manager” but in college football you have have the ability to multitask and be known for that…..
Dabo’s success is directly tied to having competent coordinators all the time. I don’t think Dabo has the ability to take over one side of the ball like the coaches mentioned above have in the past and can do in the future….
That leads to the main discussion….Are Clemson and/or Dabo on Borrowed time? If Chad Morris leaves, that will leave a major void in Clemson that is not as easy to duplicate like a pro-style offense…...The Defense is still a project.
If Dabo had a chance to go to another school like Tennessee or Auburn (Doubtful), he should take it. If Clemson goes into a tailspin, he won’t get another head coaching job at Clemson’s level and He wouldn't be considered for a coordinator position.
Clemson on the other hand is an a dicey situation. If Dabo succeeds, we all succeed as Clemson fans, but if he busts…whew…who knows?
The situation at Clemson can be potentially more volatile than it looks right now….......
What are your thoughts?
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Re: A Different Perspective on Dabo: Is He/Clemson That Solid?
Nov 30, 2012, 1:35 PM
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In regards to Dabo's skills, I think along with recruiting you can start to add surrounding himself with good coordinators. The coaches that do have a specialty also (with the exception of Saban, unfair comparison) tend to be weaker on the opposite side of the ball because they rarely hire big time guys that might take some of their limelight. Dabo knows his assistants are incredibly important and doesn't seem to think he can do it all by himself. I think that is another strength.
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Give me a super recruiter and a great manager that is smart
Nov 30, 2012, 1:38 PM
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enough and secure enough to surround himself with people (coaches) that are better than he is and then has the where-with-all to back off and let them do what they were hired for!
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Here is why I brought this topic up.........
Nov 30, 2012, 1:44 PM
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With the turn around that Dabo has accomplished, why isn't Dabo's name even being mentioned for some of the bid vacant SEC jobs like Auburn or Tennessee? With what he has accomplished, you would think he would be at leased mentioned....
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Well lets look at others coaches
Nov 30, 2012, 2:39 PM
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If you look at other schools in the top 20 which teams have coaches that are actually being mentioned in the coaching rumors, The head coach not being mentioned is by far the norm. By my count their are a grand total of 3 and 2 of those likely aren't legitimate:
Les Miles (LSU) - rumored to have been offered by Arky but suspect it was planted info to secure a bigger contract.
Jimbo Fisher(FSU) - rumored being consider for Auburn.
Chris Peterson (BSU) - associated with rumors for several places.
Now perhaps you don't consider Clemson to be a terminal job and look at it as a mere stepping stone (I suppose that is your right). In that case you might well question why Dabo isn't pursuing other opportunities. I on the other and have seen nothing to indicate that Dabo is interested I going somewhere else. This lack of interest almost certainly play a role in whether a coach is mentioned among the rumor mill.
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To address what you said......
Nov 30, 2012, 2:55 PM
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"Now perhaps you don't consider Clemson to be a terminal job and look at it as a mere stepping stone (I suppose that is your right"
Under no condition do I personally consider Clemson a stepping stone. To me is should ALWAYS be a destination job......
With that said, Clemson has not been that place for whatever reason. We either have bad coaches or are not willing to wait as along as VT did with Frank Beamer to build a solid program.
I never said Dabo is interested in going anywhere....In fact I honestly think Dabo would coach here for 20 more years if he could....and I hope he can.
As impatient as our fan base can be, if Dabo goes 8-4 next year and loses to USC and UGA I think he is gone be it fair or not.......Would he get picked up somewhere else as a HC or OC?
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No, but someone would hire him quickly as
Nov 30, 2012, 2:57 PM
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their recruiting coordinator and wide receiver coach.
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But Not a HC or OC.....Which is my point to a degree***
Nov 30, 2012, 2:58 PM
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Re: A Different Perspective on Dabo: Is He/Clemson That Solid?
Nov 30, 2012, 1:41 PM
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To me, head coaches and their staffs should be rated in the following areas (in no particular order):
Staff Development
Recruiting
Player Development
Play Calling
Game Management
There's no question Dabo gets an "A" in Recruiting, and he hit a home run with Morris in the Staff Development area (not sure about some of the other hires or refusal to cut some lose).
I question him in the Player Development and Game Management areas; don't believe Play Calling is his strength either, but it doesn't need to be as he brough in Morris. A leader surrounds himself with good people and that's what he did there.
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Just because Dabo was not an OC doesn't mean that he is
Nov 30, 2012, 1:44 PM
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or wasn't capable of being one. He got lucky and bypassed that step. Dabo has shown that he knows what he wants and will make the necessary changes to get us there, and I believe that will also include bypassing USC.
"He was never a coordinator and was just an offensive position coach"...sounds like another Clemson head coach we all know and love...Danny Ford.
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Re: Just because Dabo was not an OC doesn't mean that he is
Nov 30, 2012, 2:53 PM
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He was never a coordinator and was just an offensive position coach"...sounds like another Clemson head coach we all know and love...Danny Ford.
Don't go there. They are not even close.
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Re: A Different Perspective on Dabo: Is He/Clemson That Solid?
Nov 30, 2012, 1:45 PM
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Seems like I recall Danny Ford being no more than an offensive line coach. He was a great recruiter and he said,"a successful coach has successful assistants. I think he did a pretty good job. I'm also sure there were guys out there that were dc's and oc's that didn't quite pan out. Time will tell if Dabo's gonna make it. I hope so.
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About Danny Ford.........
Nov 30, 2012, 2:57 PM
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With all of the fond memories I have of Coach Ford, he never regained that magic after Clemson......
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and your point ?
Nov 30, 2012, 3:00 PM
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The man still lives there, loves it.
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A head coach is an administator
Nov 30, 2012, 1:45 PM
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Has vision, people skills
imagination
I am very pleased with Dabo
I think he is a true Tiger
Much like Danny
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and passion, I forgot that, the man has passion
Nov 30, 2012, 2:05 PM
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it is addicting and I am hooked !
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Re: and passion, I forgot that, the man has passion
Nov 30, 2012, 2:43 PM
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He's a clown and loves to bring all the attention to Dabo!
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I think you were not paying much attention this year. He has
Nov 30, 2012, 8:52 PM
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calmed down a lot this year. He is growing into the job and if you do not see improvement in his style you are one of the ones who just want to complain.
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There's plenty of
Nov 30, 2012, 1:50 PM
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coordinators hired as HC (specialties they are known for) that are complete busts, tailspins, etc.
Anyone can come up with examples to fit an agenda.
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Re: A Different Perspective on Dabo: Is He/Clemson That Solid?
Nov 30, 2012, 2:00 PM
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Great person-
Devote Christian
Great leader of young men
Good father/husband
outstanding college recruiter
Great visionary person
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Dependent upon what you think a HC should be.
Nov 30, 2012, 2:02 PM
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If you think a HC should stamp his brand of play on his team, then no,he isn't.
But that doesn't mean he can't be a good HC if your idea is defined by Ws and Ls.
He has a good history as a recruiter. That is a plus. He is more dependent on his OC and DC than the typical HC. That could be seen as a weakness.
He is doing a pretty fair job so far. Most Clemson fans seem happy with him. Most Gamecock fans want him in Clemson, too.
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Time will tell, enjoy your minute in time***
Nov 30, 2012, 2:07 PM
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Re: Dependent upon what you think a HC should be.
Nov 30, 2012, 4:21 PM
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The same thing, that holds true with Dabo, holds true with the gamecock fans. Only time will tell if you feel that way, a few years down the road.
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I think there are as many successful non-specialist
Nov 30, 2012, 2:09 PM
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coaches out there as those known for a particular skill. Bobby Bowden comes to mind. He was a great recruiter and surrounded himself with excellent coordinators and he turned out pretty good. While he emphasized defense, I don't think Danny Ford was a great defensive mind. He had some excellent coordinators to get it done as well.
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But if you can't survive on your own X & O
Nov 30, 2012, 8:18 PM
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Wise and have to hire the best O & D coordinators to help you win and if so you'll have to continue to go what Clemson went through last year with Morris and now this year and if he stays it will probably be next year too. And Clemson could wind up looking to replace both this year's O&D but if a coach needs/wants the best because it's not his strength he could have turn over staff wise or have to pay them handsomely (Clemson)
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Re: But if you can't survive on your own X & O
Nov 30, 2012, 8:58 PM
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You also learn something from your assistants. What made Danny Ford teams great was that he let his assistants do their job and I would be willing to bet he was paying attention and learning from them as well so he could make the right decisions on gameday. The only problem I had with Dabo was the USC game this year. I think he blew it and like years past I hope he learned from it and will not make that mistake again
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TFD's...a little historical perspective about leadership:
Nov 30, 2012, 8:36 PM
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Franklin Roosevelt upon George Marshall's advice selected Dwight Eisenhower to command of the European Theater in WWII. The selection faced disappointment initially not only within the U.S. military, but, also, among our allies due to the lack of command experience on DDE's part. In addition to welding the allied forces as one great fighting unit, Eisenhower had to make certain he chose wisely among his subordinate commanders, and for the most part, he was successful doing so. Never regarded as a brilliant tactician nor strategist, he was a superb manager, and even with successes and occasional failures, he was able to lead the allies to victory in Europe.
Though oversimplified, the point is I don't believe Dabo needs to be a great offensive or defensive coach, as long as he understands the basic principles of the game, is a wise selector of subordinate coaches and is a successful manager of the same. And as in Eisenhower's case, the true test of his leadership will be in his ability to replace coaches, as necessary, without causing major disruption in the overall strategy...which is, of course, to win ball games.
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well played, very well played***
Nov 30, 2012, 8:47 PM
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Time will tell
Nov 30, 2012, 9:25 PM
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Pretty confident in him...in a learning process
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Re: A Different Perspective on Dabo: Is He/Clemson That Solid?
Nov 30, 2012, 10:04 PM
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I don't really buy this. There have been very successful coaches that were never coordinators or just coordinators for 2 or 3 years. To name a few...Bobby Bowden, Jim Tressel, Brian Kelly, Mack Brown, Jim Harbaugh, etc...
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