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Did we miss on D. Collins, Ngata, and EJ Williams
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Did we miss on D. Collins, Ngata, and EJ Williams
Sep 6, 2022, 10:07 PM
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or is something else going on here?
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Re: Did we miss on D. Collins, Ngata, and EJ Williams
Sep 6, 2022, 10:15 PM
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I don’t think we necessarily missed as they are good receivers…but we simply don’t have a difference maker, game changer, exceptionally explosive guy on offense at all…at any position…people say Shipley is but it hasn’t shown up in the stats on game days yet as there are no 80 yard explosions from anyone..:every yard, first down, point we get is methodically earned…our explosive plays are 20-30 yards etc…not 60-80 like with CJ, Sammy, ETN, etc…it puts a lot of pressure on the execution part of the offense and you simply can’t live by that all year against very good teams…we need a game changer and game breaker on O … period!!!
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And Ladson...
Sep 6, 2022, 10:36 PM
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Seems likely there's more going on than mis-evaluating the majority of our blue-chip WR recruits from the past 3 classes.
None of the possible explanations are good though.
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Re: And Ladson...
Sep 7, 2022, 11:36 AM
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Disagree about Shipley and the RBs. To me, their lack of stats is related to the WR issues.
What changed, is that under Grisham (ignoring his first season as we still had Amari and Powell from the prior WR corps) the receivers suck at blocking. I don't know if they don't do enough blocking drills in practice/camp or what it is, but that's fallen off significantly. It used to be one of the marks of Clemson WR's. Even Nuk, Sammy, Bryant, Mike Williams, Tee, Renfrow, and Amari could block well. If you remember, we used to have some dawgs when it came to WR Blocking: Jaron Brown, Charone Peake, and even Overton could lay some serious lumber to assist in the run game.
We've had so many plays where a running back has been close to busting out a big, explosive run but it's cut off because a receiver didn't maintain their block on the DB long enough. It happened over and over last year. It's also kneecapped the screen game we need to get DJ and the RB's going. Guys like Shipley work better in space, and that's not possible when your receivers can't set an edge or open up a hole in the secondary. I remember hearing last year that the receivers had the worst performance and attitude in summer/fall camp. Guys like Ladson and Ajou just ran around like chickens with their heads cut off, routinely missing their blocking assignments and allowing DB's to blow up run plays or screens.
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Re: Did we miss on D. Collins, Ngata, and EJ Williams
Sep 6, 2022, 10:22 PM
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Grisham has done a poor job of developing talent. Would he even be coaching here if he didn't have a Clemson degree?
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Something else going on here.
Sep 6, 2022, 10:24 PM
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And I believe it’s because Dabo didn’t even consider non-Clemson people for recent hires on offense.
On paper, Streeter, Grisham, Spiller, and Austin weren’t as qualified for their respective positions as other available outside hires would have been.
For a program that was elite in the not-too-distant past, I don’t understand why Dabo didn’t look outside. This is a huge issue in my opinion, and perpetuates an echo chamber that can easily stifle progress.
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Re: Something else going on here.
Sep 6, 2022, 10:28 PM
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That obviously what's going on here, even the biggest sunshine pumpers can see it. Our entire offensive coaching staff is former Clemson players with limited coaching experience. What a coincidence!
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Its what I am thinking too
Sep 6, 2022, 10:48 PM
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The pumpers will not have a lot to hang on to next year when our defense studs are gone.
Without this defense that we have now, we could easily be 7-5 or worse this year with this offense currently.
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Dabo might be settling on company over production
Sep 6, 2022, 10:50 PM
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after a bezillion dollars and two natties.
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Re: Something else going on here.
Sep 6, 2022, 10:55 PM
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Predictable, always taking shots at Dabo and football team. Never basketball.
2 natties and 6 playoffs etc and you take shots about offensive line, linebackers, wide receivers, DJ, softball team, and Dabo coaching hires.
It would be one thing if you took shots at all programs, but your envy of the football program stands out and is obvious.
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So what if he is?
Sep 6, 2022, 11:00 PM
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Can you refute anything he is saying or are you too lazy to actually try and pick apart his argument?
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You're becoming as big a troll as he is***
Sep 6, 2022, 11:06 PM
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How is he being a troll?!?
Sep 6, 2022, 11:10 PM
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He is asking the tough questions about apparent issues on our team.
Reminiscing about how good we used to be isn’t going to help our current situation much.
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He has been doing nothing but complain for
Sep 7, 2022, 8:59 AM
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12 months. Kind of like you've defended our basketball malaise for 12 years.
For him it's blame coaches when players fail to perform. For you, it's blame everything; history, facilities, money, for mediocrity as a norm.
He distrusts a head coach to hire good coaches. A head coach who has proven himself more than any other in school history in any sport. You defend a coach who has never come close to establishing any consistency in stringing together top tier performance.
Two sides of the same coin
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Re: He has been doing nothing but complain for
Sep 7, 2022, 1:54 PM
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I think your dementia's back Striper.
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Re: He has been doing nothing but complain for
Sep 7, 2022, 8:51 PM
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He’s hit the nail squarely on the head. These two both have an agenda, and it doesn’t start with being Clemson supporters.
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Maybe I am not trying to be a troll
Sep 6, 2022, 11:16 PM
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just debate me if you disagree with anything I say or just stick to comedy.
I like your jokes sometimes. They make me laugh.
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Every time I’ve ever tried…
Sep 6, 2022, 11:23 PM
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you quit.
And thanks.
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Re: Every time I’ve ever tried…
Sep 6, 2022, 11:27 PM
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I am trying now so did you quit?
No problem, you're a funny guy I think.
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Sure…
Sep 6, 2022, 11:30 PM
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Pick the topic.
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You're on
Sep 6, 2022, 11:32 PM
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One that is not hired from within?***
Sep 6, 2022, 11:34 PM
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Re: One that is not hired from within?***
Sep 6, 2022, 11:37 PM
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List some positives of the program
Sep 7, 2022, 9:02 AM
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when was the last time you said something positive about the most successful program in school history? One that currently has won 7 straight games and is ranked in the top 5
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People forget...
Sep 7, 2022, 9:13 AM
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Longest current home win streak in the nation.
Longest unbeaten streak against unranked teams in the nation.
2nd longest consecutive 10 win season streak in the nation.
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Re: People forget...
Sep 7, 2022, 8:32 PM
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Longest current home win streak in the nation.
Longest unbeaten streak against unranked teams in the nation.
2nd longest consecutive 10 win season streak in the nation.
Longest current home win streak in the nation.
Longest unbeaten streak against unranked teams in the nation.
2nd longest consecutive 10 win season streak in the nation.
2nd longest 10 + consecutive winning seasons in the history of college football.
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+ Longest current winning streak in the nation....
Sep 7, 2022, 9:08 PM
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but who's counting.
Also our best road opener under Dabo by a long shot. Only other Power 5 team we beat worse on an opening weekend was... Ga Tech in 2019 at home. Pretty sure we also covered a fairly large spread that had grown close to kickoff.
I felt blessed Monday when Cabe came in knowing we had 2 QB's we can win with. The narrative on here largely has not been about celebrating that.
Our D looked amazing. Barett Carter #0 was everywhere. KJ - wow! Man among boys. We're a freak show on that side of the ball. I'm sure they're working through a few communication kinks that stood out Monday. Teams are going to have to work their butts off to move the chains, and pay a price every time. It's almost unfair what's shaping up over there.
We were conservative as heck on offense, like we are every year starting out, especially in a road opener. Coded in Dabo speak on not having more scrimmages or an exhibition style match is how he treats these opening stretches of games - very scripted, easing the mechanism up to speed, getting a glimpse of as much of their game as you can and dialing it in from there. Long games, long seasons. It's all about the process.
I'm pretty stoked about the season ahead. We have some serious talent about, and our team cohesiveness is as good as they come. I just don't see how we don't only get better from here, across the board, and Monday was pretty dang good as a starting point.
Go Tigers.
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Re: List some positives of the program
Sep 7, 2022, 8:30 PM
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when was the last time you said something positive about the most successful program in school history? One that currently has won 7 straight games and is ranked in the top 5
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Re: List some positives of the program
Sep 8, 2022, 8:33 AM
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when was the last time you said something positive about the most successful program in school history? One that currently has won 7 straight games and is ranked in the top 5
I think people sort of sense some things that could possibly be looming in our future. No one disputes the facts. Dabo is the man. But looking at the sharp and painful decline in offensive production, questions are going to be asked. Especially when there is a very distinct pattern with the hires. Someone said we are a 7-5 team without the elite D. I sort of agree. It really frustrates me that people get so mad at differing opinions in a place designed to share opinions. I am very worried about the program after this season.
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Troll?
Sep 6, 2022, 11:14 PM
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Come on man, that's some weak sauce there.
If you disagree with any points a poster makes then simply post a counter-point. Name-calling is lazy and makes you seem like you're unable to retort.
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Say something positive
Sep 7, 2022, 11:30 AM
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you've been negative for a year. Trolls push their agenda, yours is negativity 24/7
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Re: So what if he is?
Sep 8, 2022, 1:43 AM
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Can you refute anything he is saying or are you too lazy to actually try and pick apart his argument?
I’m game to try, and I often like Judge’s basketball assessments, so I’m certainly not trying to hate on him or troll at all. However, who made up the offensive staff in 2015-2020? OC/RB: Clemson Grad/played for Dabo. Co-OC/WR: Clemson Grad. QB Coach: Clemson Grad. O-Line: Furman Grad. TE: Clemson Grad. The only difference between 2022 and those high powered offensive days are a few different names. The “inside/alumni guys” are still clearly there even if the names have changed. Only Robbie Caldwell wasn’t a Clemson grad/former player. Oh, and neither Tony Elliot or Jeff Scott had ever been D-1 college coordinators before 2014. So, again, one can’t make the argument the bad performance is due to Coach Swinney’s “in house” hires without also acknowledging that same argument gratuitously contradicts the success of 2015-2020 made possible largely by those exact same type of “in house” hires. Obviously, this model has worked pretty well for him in the past.
Now, you and the Judge could be correct in that the new coach face hires (2021/2022 hires) may not prove to be as good as the previous ones (2011-2020), but it has nothing to do with Dabo’s hiring practices, nor does it appear to correlate to the fact that they’re Clemson guys. And, if the WR group is such a liability, Coach Swinney might always just have to go back and help there more. He certainly proved he could be quite successful at it 2003-2008.
The only thing I was really disappointed in on Monday night, based on the preseason “coach speak,” was the performance at RT and the O-Line in general. Granted, it was the rookie RT’s first game, and that is the most likely explanation. But, the articles I read on this site stated that he was outstanding in camp, as well as the rest of the O-Line, for that matter. That was the only “coach speak” stuff that didn’t seem to hold water on Monday. I never heard any “coach speak” that insinuated DJ had become the sudden incarnation of Peyton Manning in the off-season. I just read he was “thinner, improved, and more confident.” I believe he proved to be all those things the other night, especially when compared to last season. So all the “missed evaluation/bad coaching” stuff I just ain’t seeing outside of the poor O-Line/WR play from 2021 and Game 1 of 2022. Ultimately, and this is exclusively my insignificant opinion, I think the issues at O-Line and WR have been more player related than opposed to bad coaching/crappy evaluation development. If the Clemson staff made bad evaluations, then all those other big name staffs at other big name programs did too because they all offered scholarships to those same guys who ultimately picked Clemson (or at least offered to the majority of the O-Line and WR guys). To support my notion it is a “player issue,” I refer to the David Hale/ESPN article form Monday that quoted KJ Henry as saying something to the effect of “it would go in one ear and out the other” (in reference to Dabo’s coaching/direction) made to last year’s team.
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Had the offense been rolling last year, i could have seen
Sep 6, 2022, 11:03 PM
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the argument to stay in house for the OC. But we were one of the worst Os in the country. A lot of my Bama friends were shocked we stayed in house - a lot of ### is Dabo doing comments. Hopefully it works out.
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Thats the worry and with the refusal to use the portal
Sep 6, 2022, 11:05 PM
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seems to be collapsing on this offense.
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Well, based on what we’ve been told, there have never been any players
Sep 6, 2022, 11:20 PM
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in the portal who were capable of helping us.
LOL.
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How to debate the Judge 101
Sep 6, 2022, 11:41 PM
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Step 1*. Ask him about his lack of criticism of basketball coaching staff and/or results.
Step 2*: Ignore points he makes about the weaknesses of the football team or staff
*Steps 1 or 2 can be in any order
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I really don't know about that but what I do know
Sep 7, 2022, 9:35 AM
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If you post any real and fair criticism of the direction of recruiting, player development, or actual results even, then here comes old TNET pumper old-guard reminding you of natties years ago.
Heck, I can't even convince you that RB recruiting is turning in a bad direction and you seem slightly fair, so what hope is there?
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It's human nature to create two sides...
Sep 7, 2022, 10:01 AM
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those who agree with you vs those who don't, but it's not always that black and white.
Example, I've never said that our 2022 RB recruiting class was good, great, bad, etc... I've said it wasn't critical we sign the position. We made some offers, they didn't work out, but no need to panic. The next cycle will be the one that matters. What I do disagree with, and I'm not singling you out here, is when posters make rash statements about recruiting or coaching without any research at all.
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Of course you'll get no response.
Sep 7, 2022, 9:39 AM
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Just a thumbs down because people get so triggered now if they have to listen to anything outside of their little fuzzy warm echo chambers.
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Here's a response: Troll 1 states:
Sep 7, 2022, 10:21 AM
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"And I believe it’s because Dabo didn’t even consider non-Clemson people for recent hires on offense."
How do we know this ? It is 100% pure speculation & trolling. Dabo could make 4 phone calls, they all answer because it is Dabo, and he could take their temperature about a move - in less than an hour.
Dabo has CLEARLY shown us he lives in the present but is extremely in-tune with where we could be in a year or 2 or 3 - see Brent V., the Reeves complex - seemingly knowing what his move will be if X, Y, or Z happens. Also seen in his diligence of prepping to be a big-time head coach when he was a grad assistant with a notebook and a vision . . . the guy plans ahead.
So how does the troll KNOW we didn't consider other folks ?
The same troll uses my same argument in basketball protecting his dearly beloved - NUMEROUS times he has stated - "How do we KNOW folks aren't contacting BB's agent about possibilities of him wanting to make a change . . . . how do we know ? ?" - says the biggest troll on this board - who LOVES all the attention.
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But isn't this a discussion board?
Sep 7, 2022, 7:05 PM
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Does everyone with an unpopular opinion need to be labeled a troll?
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I'll be glad to take this one...
Sep 7, 2022, 10:28 AM
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And I believe it’s because Dabo didn’t even consider non-Clemson people for recent hires on offense.
-No way to know if he is right or wrong about this. Only Dabo knows. My guess is he was aware of options, but was happy with who he already had in the wings.
On paper, Streeter, Grisham, Spiller, and Austin weren’t as qualified for their respective positions as other available outside hires would have been.
-This is debatable. It is also overly simplistic as it assumes we know what the qualifications for the position(s) were. Time on the job? If that's the case, should how long someone has done something be the main factor in their hire? I don't know. I do know I don't see anyone complaining about our defensive staff hires, and those were handled much the same way.
For a program that was elite in the not-too-distant past, I don’t understand why Dabo didn’t look outside. This is a huge issue in my opinion, and perpetuates an echo chamber that can easily stifle progress.
-No way to know if he is right about this. How do we know what Dabo did? Maybe he said it in a press conference I missed? Very possible. Again, even if he did, my guess is Dabo was well aware of who was available, but really liked they guys he already had.
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Francis
Sep 7, 2022, 7:10 PM
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All you can do is look at the production. I don't know if Dabo could have found a more talented RB, OL, or WR coach but there are major issues with each. For the RB room, it's about recruiting but I don't think we have seen any developmental issues. OL and WR you could argue these groups are not progressing.
Maybe give these young coaches some more time but shoot, to mention it is not trolling in my opinion.
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Scott, Elliot, Jimmy Greenbeans
Sep 7, 2022, 8:43 PM
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Seems like Dabo hiring Scott, Elliot and Venables worked out for all parties involved…2 of the 3 had school connections.
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Re: Something else going on here.
Sep 6, 2022, 11:12 PM
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Well I'll be ###### Judge, I would hate to have your responsibility,,,,,,,,
"Having to know everything!"
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Out of curiosity
Sep 7, 2022, 9:11 AM
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How do you know who he considered ? Did you have lunch? Ask Kathleen ? Have you bugged his phone, office and/or house? Maybe you can read minds?
Is it possible that we have only seen some the The Judge's strengths and powers-- I am struggling with The Donor's Pick 6 week after week- Would you send me this weeks winners so i can make up some ground on my 4-2 start ?
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Re: Something else going on here.
Sep 7, 2022, 9:52 AM
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Agree,I've met some of these coaches/former players. They are all nice but some of them aren't as bright as you might think
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was that your feeling when two inexperienced guys were
Sep 7, 2022, 9:13 PM
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tapped to replace Morris? Those were "Clemson guys". Did you feel the same way?
Weird.
Wes is in the same boat. Are you critiquing our defensive staff.... or does that not fit your narrative?
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I’m disappointed in the drops.
Sep 6, 2022, 11:03 PM
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I’m hoping that changes. There is no excuse for the percentage of drops. I have to think we have the experience on staff to correct that.
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Ya gotta hope they come in with hands
Sep 6, 2022, 11:05 PM
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hard to teach that i would think
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I just don’t believe they are missing like this in
Sep 6, 2022, 11:11 PM
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Practice and their DB’s weren’t that disruptive seemingly. Seems like more than just what they came in with or didn’t.
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What experience do we honestly have, other than Dabo himself?
Sep 6, 2022, 11:07 PM
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Streeter isn’t a WR coach. Grisham is very new at this.
Do we have any GAs or analysts on our staff with relevant WR coaching experience?
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Wow - talk about time-warping back to 2010 . . . . is this a
Sep 7, 2022, 10:24 AM
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CharlestonTom® scok ? ?
I guess you feel that "lack of experience" thing has really cost us in football, huh ?
And what does "experience" mean to you, all knowing troll ?
Playing the game at the highest level and having a great deal of success (making a roster in the Pros is remarkable - PLAYING is the pinnacle of experience), being around and a part of coaching & coaching tactics since middle school, probably . . . . countless hours of meetings, film prep, on and on. Leading & guiding underclassmen, newbies, rookies.
I guess these don't contribute to your definition of experience.
Look at all the rehashing of college (and pros, too, for that matter) coaching "experience" - going from one place to the next - our own Chad Morris only had high school "experience" and then got big-boy football experience & did well - and then got head coaching experience & he wasn't good.
Get outta here with that LAME "experience" crap - means absolutely nothing.
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Re: What experience do we honestly have, other than Dabo himself?
Sep 7, 2022, 8:50 PM
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Streeter isn’t a WR coach. Grisham is very new at this.
Do we have any GAs or analysts on our staff with relevant WR coaching experience?
Dabo hires the person, not the experience. Experience is easily gained if the commitment and work ethic are present. That’s talent development 101.
Clemson offered the 3rd fewest scholarships in D1 for the 2022 class. Tiger fans take pride in that. Dabo has never relegated recruiting to what a kid does in cleats. The prospect has ti offer more than on field abilities. Clemson isn’t Bama and Dabo ain’t Saban. Thank God for that.
Dabo is about people. And that has always worked for him and our program.
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Re: Did we miss on D. Collins, Ngata, and EJ Williams
Sep 6, 2022, 11:07 PM
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The coach's son looked good last night. Perhaps we need a dynamic playmaker to run our offense?
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What does that tell you?
Sep 6, 2022, 11:09 PM
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Our freshman WR and unrecruited coaches' son come in and are the two best receivers on our offense.
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Re: What does that tell you?
Sep 6, 2022, 11:16 PM
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You ignored my point, so troll away. I digress.
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Re: What does that tell you?
Sep 6, 2022, 11:17 PM
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But you saw the dropped passes when DJ was in?
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Re: Did we miss on D. Collins, Ngata, and EJ Williams
Sep 7, 2022, 9:19 AM
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There has been practically no development since they arrived on campus. I highly doubt they will finally develop into good WRs this year. Not sure if we missed or Jeff Scott leaving for USF is the primary issue.
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Re: Did we miss on D. Collins, Ngata, and EJ Williams
Sep 7, 2022, 9:29 AM
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We absolutely missed on DJ.
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So again, not a SINGLE person
Sep 7, 2022, 9:42 AM
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can make a sensible argument here, just blame DJ - yawn.
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Re: So again, not a SINGLE person
Sep 7, 2022, 9:45 AM
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You asked a question and you got the correct answer but you don't like it so your response is yawn?
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Re: Did we miss on D. Collins, Ngata, and EJ Williams
Sep 7, 2022, 9:41 AM
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People on this site want to blame everything and everyone but the one that shoulders 95 percent of the blame. Once Cade takes over all of these issues will magically fix themselves.
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I mean thats the hope but there is so much more going on
Sep 7, 2022, 9:45 AM
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Nagta, both Collins, and EJ aren't getting separation AND on top of that, they are dropping passes like last year.
Did we miss on all three or -
is it 100% on DJs bad decision-making/ inaccurate passing? (this is the consensus on Tnet)
is it player development
is it play calling / route design
Or a combination of all three?
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Re: I mean thats the hope but there is so much more going on
Sep 7, 2022, 10:02 AM
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Ngata stays injured don't really consider that a miss. Guys get open and DJ doesn't see them. DJ also throws an ugly ball that really maintains a tight spiral. That makes it more difficult to catch. He is also inaccurate and doesn't throw guys open. The WRs have had some bad drops and some drops on inaccurate but catchable balls. Like I said, watch what happens when Cade takes over.
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Re: I mean thats the hope but there is so much more going on
Sep 7, 2022, 11:24 AM
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It's not 100% on Uiagalelei, but it's the biggest problem. Opposing defenses simply have more schemes/looks/whatever available to use against Clemson. A significant reason for this is because Uiagalelei isn't looking past his primary receiver most of the time, he isn't threatening the defense with his running ability, or making consistent downfield throw.
You are correct about the dropped balls, poor blocking, etc. as well, but the primary issue is the Uiagalelei can significantly threaten defenses, it gives opposing defenses more ways to take away other players, and magnifies what other weaknesses Ckemson has on offense.
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Re: Did we miss on D. Collins, Ngata, and EJ Williams
Sep 7, 2022, 10:17 AM
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There's way to many former Clemson players coaching the offensive side of the ball, might be why the defense has stayed so productive with a lot of the key staff positions being from the outside. IMO the most important position coach you can have is O-Line and we def should've looked for the best there. A long with WR and RB coach. I'm ok with Streeter for now at OC, only because I know the system can work with the right players and execution....we've seen it before. But we're missing that one playmaker on the outside to take any 1 on 1 ball (Williams-Nuke-Higgins) and in the backfield, tho Shipley is close. Most importantly it starts at QB, the players know who they think is better and if they think Cade is the guy, they are going to put more effort into every play because they know he can get the job done. So many factors go into getting this offense in sync.
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Re: Did we miss on D. Collins, Ngata, and EJ Williams
Sep 7, 2022, 1:25 PM
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running lanes open up for the backs when receiver catch the balls. passing lanes open up when the running backs run through arm tackles. the running game and passing game are dependent to an extent on each other for multiplying success. ETN was able to have running lanes because safeties had to provide help over the top. passing lanes opened up because ETN could break arm tackles so play action was extremely effective.
more than anything though, Deshaun, KB and Trevor were all above average to big threats with their legs. DJ has not proven that his running should be feared.
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Yes.***
Sep 7, 2022, 10:32 AM
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Re: Did we miss on D. Collins, Ngata, and EJ Williams
Sep 7, 2022, 1:20 PM
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Theirs is more of a pitching problem than a catching problem. I suspect their performances would drastically improve after a QB change.
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Re: Did we miss on D. Collins, Ngata, and EJ Williams
Sep 7, 2022, 8:46 PM
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I would not say we missed on these guys. Last year with injuries and play overall for the offense was very poor. Especially QB and O-line.
Ngata can be great. He just needs to do it.
Collins was our go to guy late last season. Need to get him going.
EJ shows flashes of being very good.
With us playing super short and short boundary throws limits chances in the intermediate or long passes.
We have to expand the passing game with DJ. His accuracy has been better. They are going to stack the box until we do
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The Tech game was Beaux's first live action
Sep 8, 2022, 12:50 AM
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since the spring game, so if he was a tad rusty, that should be forgivable. He still made 2 really nice plays
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Re: Did we miss on D. Collins, Ngata, and EJ Williams
Sep 7, 2022, 9:07 PM
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This thread is an absolute keeper for sure.
The most disingenuous poster on TNet and his WANNABE protégé in their own echo chamber hungrily weaving a narrative of offensive staff incompetence after a 31pt win, then projecting how the rest of us ‘sunshine pumpers’ are actually the ones in the echo chamber.
I’ll state this as clearly as I’m able.
No one who truly supports Clemson University and Clemson athletics would devote so much negative energy, continually working to generate so much doubt, while creating so much angst.
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