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Am I the only one who thinks it's a terrible idea
Oct 18, 2017, 7:56 AM
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for a President, any President, to call families of soldiers who have just died? I'm trying to deal with the loss of my spouse/child/loved one, and now I have to compose myself to talk to the President of the United States? I think it would be awful. What do you say to him? What could he possibly say to you in that moment?
I think a letter is the perfect way to show respect. The President is able to compose and collect thoughts, as opposed to having a real-time conversation, and the recipient is able to read it whenever they are ready.
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But if you're gonna do it, I'm sure
Oct 18, 2017, 7:59 AM
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it makes the family really happy that the conversation is now a subject of the news today. It must feel really good that a Congresswoman would go public with the conversation, and that the President might have tapes of it as proof she is lying.
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We elected a sociopath. This sort of thing will happen.***
Oct 18, 2017, 8:04 AM
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I won't go there. I don't know what was said.
Oct 18, 2017, 8:10 AM
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As I said in a detailed post previously, I do not expect the President to be an empathetic person.
I do know what he said this morning on Twitter though, as he again engaged in a political battle over the body of a soldier.
But he didn't start the battle. Congresswoman Wilson either made public the details of a private conversation without the family's consent, which is disgusting, or the family asked her to go public with it, which is hard to comprehend.
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I will say that, even if true, the remark during the call
Oct 18, 2017, 8:16 AM
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is not an indicator of a sociopath. It's an indicator that someone doesn't know very well how to talk to someone in grief. I don't know if I'd have said that exact thing, but I know there have been times that I've messed up in talking to someone going through a bad time, because I'm not good at that.
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Re: I will say that, even if true, the remark during the call
Oct 18, 2017, 8:26 AM
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Yes, I didn't mean to suggest that the remark proves that Trump is a sociopath.
I'm saying that we already knew he was a sociopath. As a result, we can expect him to say awful, inappropriate things every day.
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I disagree.
Oct 18, 2017, 8:52 AM
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I think it's a nice gesture, and a very significant one. You can't really bring a lot of comfort to the family, I'm sure, but if a person died serving their nation, I'm sure a phone call from the president of that country means a lot. I would imagine the family might be more insulted if he didn't.
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I understand. I would see it as intrusive.
Oct 18, 2017, 9:28 AM
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And I guess that goes toward my point. What if the family doesn't want to be called? I guess they could always just not answer the phone.
If you get a letter, and for some reason you don't want to read it, you can always throw it away.
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no, just the current one.
Oct 18, 2017, 9:32 AM
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Because he might say something stupid and insensitive like, "Your son knew what he signed up for"
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Routine liberal comment.
Oct 18, 2017, 9:34 AM
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It was hearsay, exploited by a left wing liberal congressional winch who needed publicity for her campaign.
Get a ####### grip.
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routine?
Oct 18, 2017, 9:40 AM
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it is not heresay when the person who witnessed to act speaks out. And I do not see where the trump admin is denying what he said. Had she mis represented him, they would have said so by now.
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The President said on Twitter that she fabricated the story.***
Oct 18, 2017, 9:42 AM
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Re: The President said on Twitter that she fabricated the story.***
Oct 18, 2017, 9:45 AM
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missed that, curious to hear what the family has to say.
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let me find the quote, but on CNN this AM
Oct 18, 2017, 10:11 AM
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they asked the congresswoman if she heard the whole conversation and she said no, but i did hear this one line.
i am not defending trump, but without hearing the entire conversation, it's hard to know the context of that one quote.
for the time being, i will take it with a grade of slaw
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"i didn't hear the whole phone call, but i did hear him say"***
Oct 18, 2017, 10:14 AM
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Re: let me find the quote, but on CNN this AM
Oct 18, 2017, 10:16 AM
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I have a tougher time believing that she got on CNN last night and presented a complete fabrication as opposed to trump simply saying something stupid and insensitive, which he does on a daily basis.
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i wouldn't doubt he said it, but in the context of a
Oct 18, 2017, 10:26 AM
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conversation about war and soldiers and death, there are a million ways this could have been said.
how do we know he was even talking about this soldier? what if she brought up her veteran father, one of the guys soldier friends who witnessed it, or anything else.
easily said, but in what context?
when you say you didn't hear the whole conversation that sort of discredits your knowledge of the topic.
just listen
http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/17/politics/frederica-wilson-widow-fallen-soldier/index.html
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Re: i wouldn't doubt he said it, but in the context of a
Oct 18, 2017, 10:54 AM
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of course not, I was not there. I am just taking the florida senator at her word. I watched her interview last night, that is all.
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Just to be clear, she is a congresswoman, not a senator.***
Oct 18, 2017, 11:03 AM
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Actually, she could be both***
Oct 18, 2017, 2:40 PM
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The POTUS was speaking to the wife, not the congresswoman,
Oct 18, 2017, 9:44 AM
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as such, it is hearsay.
And I don't blame the adminstration for not commenting since it really means nothing and is just another liberal jab to try to make him look bad.
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Technically, if the Congresswoman observed
Oct 18, 2017, 9:46 AM
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the conversation, then it is not hearsay. If the widow told her, and she didn't hear it herself, then that would be hearsay.
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Technically, any out of court statement offered
Oct 18, 2017, 4:56 PM
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to prove the truth of the statement is hearsay.
There are exceptions and exclusions but they are technical legal mumbo jumbo
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sounds an awful lot like something he would say
Oct 18, 2017, 9:47 AM
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and we really do not need liberals to jab trump to make him look bad, he does that fine on his own. And I do not disagree with you on her motive, but I still take this at face value until something comes out to prove she is a liar.
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Re: no, just the current one.
Oct 18, 2017, 2:34 PM
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This is frustrating. He has never said anything like this....you are using speculation as truth. That just shows your lack of willingness to be open minded and objective.
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Re: Am I the only one who thinks it's a terrible idea
Oct 18, 2017, 9:59 AM
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Interesting that this thread is three times longer than the Hillary/Uranium thread.
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I make it a personal policy
Oct 18, 2017, 10:02 AM
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To not click on anything with the word "Clinton" in it. In TheProdigal universe, she no longer exists.
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Can you imagine on June 7, 1944
Oct 18, 2017, 10:10 AM
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President Franklin D. Roosevelt having to pick up the phone and call 2,500 widows because their family member died the previous day? On June 5th he would have just gotten off the phone calling 5538 family members after Anzio concluded. Or when the Normandy conquest was over, he would have called 29,000 widows.
He shouldn't even bother calling. A letter is much more formal, and provides the family with a lasting document to provide closure. Even a form letter would be appropriate as long as the President signed it.
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Re: Can you imagine on June 7, 1944
Oct 18, 2017, 10:17 AM
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maybe trump can just tweet his condolences instead
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Oculus Spirit [97649]
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Needs to be a a personal letter.
Oct 18, 2017, 1:56 PM
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Private. Unassuming. Contrite. Empathetic. And lasting.
Otherwise, he can pick and chose some heroes who stand out to visit in person. But calling IMO is just the worst way to pay condolences.
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As an addendum to this discussion, AP confirmed
Oct 18, 2017, 11:51 AM
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with the family that the President "disrespected" the fallen soldier during the phone call.
This was the risk when the President went out on that Twitter limb this morning. Now he's pit himself against a Gold Star family (again). Someone needs to be yelling in his ear to stand down...it's a lose-lose for him.
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I don't think it's a terrible idea. Hopefully they
Oct 18, 2017, 3:57 PM
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understand timing and that sort of thing. Really it's one of the greatest showings of humility with the leader of the free world. But definitely the parents should understand that they are under no obligation to take the call.
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Just for this president.***
Oct 18, 2017, 4:50 PM
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