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A Simple Question to the "pro-DJU" Crowd...
Sep 6, 2022, 10:11 PM
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Why? What are you seeing that makes you think he's improved enough to carry this team? I'm sure he's a "great-guy" and a "leader" and all of the typical coach-speak words used to describe the character of a player on the hot-seat.
I want to know what you are seeing that the bench-DJU crowd is not seeing?
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So I clicked on 'Reply to this message.'
Sep 6, 2022, 10:18 PM
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He's 10-15% better than he was last year. I won't compare him to other QBs we've had but to himself only.
So, 10-15% better than suck equals what?
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Re: So I clicked on 'Reply to this message.'
Sep 7, 2022, 9:30 AM
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the idiots on this board know no bounds. very sad really that some of you actually claim to be clemson fans. after one meaningless game that our qb got better and better as the game went on, lets switch to a guy that played 8 plays against the scrubs of ga tech. hopefully DJ never comes to this site or others. extremely embarrassing. cade may very well be the best. it has yet to be determined. sorry if i trust a guy that makes 10 million that has won a whole lot of games more than i do morons on a website.
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Re: So I clicked on 'Reply to this message.'
Sep 7, 2022, 11:39 AM
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He looks the same as last year. I do not think you realize how bad G.T. defense really is. They have no talent. They literally sign everyone's rejects. If they are at Tech, it's because No one wants them. D.J. looked awful. He had one decent drive. The rest were points gifted him by our Defense.
Had we been playing UGA or Bama Monday, we would have gotten our rear ends worn out.
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Re: So I clicked on 'Reply to this message.'
Sep 7, 2022, 11:26 PM
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Idiots? Yep, for any claiming to be "fans". I strongly suspect that Dabo has instructed to stay away from this site.
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Re: So I clicked on 'Reply to this message.'
Sep 8, 2022, 12:43 PM
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Posted by a true man of clemson...everyone else is a fool...I personally would love to see dj play great,finish with a top quarterback rating in the acc and top ten in the country but not at the risk of my tigers finishing 8 and 3 and going to the snack bowl...a number one defense can keep you in the game but a top offense will win you respect, conference championships and a natty or two!
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It sounds like you’re saying that our coaches are wrong.
Sep 6, 2022, 10:19 PM
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Is that correct?
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Re: It sounds like you’re saying that our coaches are wrong.
Sep 6, 2022, 10:36 PM
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The jury is still out and it is difficult to judge the situation. I hope there is some definite consistency and life breathed into the offense by the time the wolves come to town.
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Re: It sounds like you’re saying that our coaches are wrong.
Sep 6, 2022, 10:44 PM
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Is that correct?
While I wasn't speaking about the coaches I will say it would be the first time coaches were wrong. That happens all of the time. In this case no, but I do think they have some benchmarks that will get DJU replaced.
I was more curious at what the pro-DJU fans saw that are making them so resolute with him. I see average QB that would be a stud FCS QB but not elite FBS QB
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Re: It sounds like you’re saying that our coaches are wrong.
Sep 6, 2022, 11:46 PM
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First time? It would be the 3rd time. Watson and Lawrence both should have been starters as soon as their freshman seasons kicked off.
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Re: It sounds like you’re saying that our coaches are wrong.
Sep 7, 2022, 12:25 AM
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Both those quarterback won national titles at Clemson but I guess if you were head coach we’d have won 5 or 6. When will Dabo stop holding us back!?! JFC you guys are something else.
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Re: It sounds like you’re saying that our coaches are wrong.
Sep 7, 2022, 9:25 AM
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"Both those quarterback won national titles at Clemson"
This further drives my point lol
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Re: It sounds like you’re saying that our coaches are wrong.
Sep 7, 2022, 9:32 AM
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It absolutely does not. That is not a valid extrapolation. The titles are the direct results of a specific series of events. You cannot presume that had the been given the start from Day 1 things would have worked out the same.
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Re: It sounds like you’re saying that our coaches are wrong.
Sep 7, 2022, 10:28 AM
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Are you really arguing that watson and tlaw were as good as they were because they played behind Cole Stoudt and Kelly Bryant? You guys are something else....
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Re: It sounds like you’re saying that our coaches are wrong.
Sep 7, 2022, 12:02 PM
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Nope. Didn’t say that. You’re the one that is trying to reduce this to binaries. It’s far more complicated. If everything that seems obvious to internet fanboys was actually the right answer coaching would be easy. That who is the “better” qb is the only consideration belies little understanding of what it really takes to run a football program. Read David Hoods latest post. You don’t have to be connected to the program to grasp these concepts.
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Re: It sounds like you’re saying that our coaches are wrong.
Sep 8, 2022, 12:38 PM
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I’ve tried not to respond but I seriously question if some of you have played team sports ever. The best teams that Clemson has had have one thing in common and it’s not great QB play week 1. They have strong player leadership.
That starts and stops with DJ if you have listened to any of the actual player interviews. Bench DJ after 1 series and you have a divided locker room that doesn’t win a football game. When Trevor took over it was game 4 and it was clear the divide. The team leader, CW understood this and took him to breakfast to let the team know. Don’t forget it was KB who led us to victory against TAMU when Trevor struggled.
Do I think DJ can beat Bama…. No. After 1 series do I think Cade is the guy… no. Try supporting DJ while Cade gets more and more experience. Dabo has proven he will play the guy who gives us the best chance to win. And that is defined after 4/6 and 1 series. Cade is coming but DJ will work to keep his spot, until then drop all the DJ hate and pull for the kid.
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Re: It sounds like you’re saying that our coaches are wrong.
Sep 7, 2022, 8:25 AM
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Judge I would say that to this point, every expert was wrong as well as our coaches. In high school he did look great. They have a great offensive line at St. John Bosco. It will mask some of his inabilities under pressure. They are a football factory, a private school who recruits the best.
Even the best coaches miss on players. I think they have proven that they hit more than they miss. DJ has had the best coaching to fix his issues outside of our coaches and it appears that it has not made him the player that EVERYONE thought he would be.
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Re: It sounds like you’re saying that our coaches are wrong.
Sep 7, 2022, 8:34 AM
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Great QB with a great arm but not to run this style offense. It would be like asking “Big Ben” to step in and run this offense. Not going to happen.
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Re: It sounds like you’re saying that our coaches are wrong.
Sep 7, 2022, 9:27 AM
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This why is no one saying this. He doesn’t fit this offense. Look at the play calling for DJ vs Cade vs Trevor. The offense is handcuffed. Dabo is just loyal and a nice guy and is giving the kid the opportunity to showcase his talents. If Dabo was in the hotseat (not saying he is or should be) he doesn’t start DJ and I hope everyone would agree. DJ is not bad just not a fit here. He needs to transfer to give himself the best opportunity to succeed. Coaches family and friends need to tell him that.
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Re: It sounds like you’re saying that our coaches are wrong.
Sep 8, 2022, 12:22 PM
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I don't think anything was wrong in the evaluation of DJ because all you had to go on was how he played and how he produced and both of those were lights out in high school. And then he goes and seems to validate it further with the games against BC and ND in his Freshman year. What is the common thread here? Look at the teams he had around him in HS and his Freshman year. He had talent all around him to protect him and give him time in the pocket to find his receivers and take advantage of the things he does well. What seems to have changed is the talent around him dropped off significantly last year as well as injuries. With six drops in the first game and only marginal improvement in the offensive line, it feels very similar. So, you may be right that Cade will be better able to make up for some of these weaknesses as a QB that can throw on the run but if the OL and WRs don't start playing better, it won't be much of an upgrade in terms of results if all Cade is doing is running for his life.
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Re: It sounds like you’re saying that our coaches are wrong.
Sep 7, 2022, 9:03 AM
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Yes. That's what we're saying. What makes them infallible? They did the same thing with Stoudt and Bryant. Dabo's loyalty to Streeter, despite him never earning it in any position he's ever been in, is another mistake.
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Re: It sounds like you’re saying that our coaches are wrong.
Sep 7, 2022, 9:22 AM
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How does this mean the coaches are wrong? Maybe they see the schedule ahead and realize they can afford giving DJ a little more time while also easing Cade into more reps. Maybe DJ worked his butt off and they have the luxury next couple weeks to reward it. Maybe they hope to make the transition in a way that keeps DJ on the team if at all possible.
Them continuing with DJ at this point does not mean they think DJ is better than Cade, that’s just coach speak. Dabo knows what he’s doing. Especially after the DW4/Cole thing.
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Re: It sounds like you’re saying that our coaches are wrong.
Sep 7, 2022, 9:30 AM
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I would agree with this if he got meaningful snaps. He came in for the last series. If I remember correctly Deshaun and Trevor got early meaningful snaps not garbage time snaps. This tells me it’s DJs spot to lose and not Cades to win.
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Re: It sounds like you’re saying that our coaches are wrong.
Sep 8, 2022, 12:13 PM
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Cade would have come in sooner had we separated sooner but it took us well into the 3rd quarter to get going. Also, in the first game of the year, you want your starter to get into a rhythm and face some adversity so I don't think they ever planned to get Cade in on more than 1 or 2 series in the first game. Had we had time for another series, they actually wanted to get Hunter in as well which seems to support these thoughts. I do fully expect to see Cade get more work over the next 2 games.
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Re: It sounds like you’re saying that our coaches are wrong.
Sep 8, 2022, 8:28 AM
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COACHES can make mistakes...sometimes for good reason...had cade been on the bench last year would you all have been satisfied with one of the poorest rated qb in college football...did you like the first half at gt,get ready for more...111 to 94 now that's improvement, but no natty,
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Re: A Simple Question to the
Sep 6, 2022, 10:20 PM
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I’m pro winning, regardless of who is playing QB. I’m pro Clemson. DJ isn’t a heisman candidate, but if you really think that last night’s lack of offensive production was all on DJ, you either didn’t watch the game or had no clue what you were looking at. Right tackle got obliterated most of the night, dj had guys in his face when he received the snap on multiple occasions. Balls dropped, starting receivers got no seperation. DJ’s accuracy was vastly improved from last year and didn’t put the ball in trouble in the air. He held onto a few way too long and should have gotten out of the pocket.
If you wanna bench DJ, Fine, but at least be impartial enough to say that the entire starting offense should have been benched. Cade had a great drive and I believe he will be great, but what a small sample to gauge from. After two games in 2020 the whole country had DJ winning the heisman last year. How did that work out?
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Re: A Simple Question to the
Sep 6, 2022, 10:50 PM
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This is right on point. Everyone wants to bench DJ, but won’t admit that the the O-line was awful and DJ had 12 points dropped. It’s DJ’s job until he loses it and imo he hasn’t done anything yet to lose it.
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Fair Point
Sep 6, 2022, 11:56 PM
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Fair point clbyers®. Also fair to say Joe Burrow's Cincinnati Bengal line was the worst in the league, and they gave up the most sacks. And yet, Burrow led the league in completion percentage and took his team to the Super Bowl. It starts with the QB.
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Completely disagree with this. Several things can be true
Sep 7, 2022, 8:11 AM
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at the same time. The OL, WRs, playcalling, all of it had/has issues. This does not take away from the fact that Cade is CLEARLY the better QB. Is it the right play to slowly transition him in over the course of the next several games? Also absolutely true. And if youre serious about Clemson being a player on the national scene this year, thats what will happen. Oh and final point to some of you; THIS IS A FREAKING MESSAGE BOARD!!!!! THE ENTIRE POINT IS TO HAVE DISCUSSION!!! Maybe we should just put a sticky post up top that says: COACHES ARE RIGHT, YOU ARE WRONG. NO MORE POSTS ALLOWED.
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Re: Completely disagree with this. Several things can be true
Sep 7, 2022, 9:24 AM
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It’s for a having a discussion as long as we agree with you right? And arguing that something is settled and not worth further debate is still discussion.
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Re: A Simple Question to the
Sep 7, 2022, 5:41 AM
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DJ is not mobile enough to run this RPO style offense. If Clemson wants to go back and run a more traditional set then DJ would be fine. After last season and one game into this season I still feel the same. If that RT struggles do we feel DJ is mobile enough to get out or eat the ball?
TL and DW had mobility and great arms. DJ has a great arm but no mobility.
Not knocking DJ that’s on the coaches and getting the best players in to play the scheme that they want. Right now they are trying to fit a square peg into a round hole.
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DJ hit his receiver w/a catchable ball about 95% of the time
Sep 7, 2022, 1:12 PM
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on Monday night.
He threw some balls away intentionally when circumstances dictated, but almost every ball was on target and catchable.
So yes, his accuracy has improved a great deal.
Now, his WRs ability to make catches is a different story altogether.
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Re: A Simple Question to the
Sep 8, 2022, 5:06 PM
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I trained under Bobby Johnson, Billy Napier, and a few other D1 and big HS coaches when I was a rising Jr. and Sr. The reason coaches are so big on the footwork and timing of a QB is because it takes a fraction of a second for a play to either develop like it should, or fall apart. If you look at the film VERY closely, you will see why things looked so smooth with Cade, and clunky with DJ.
EXAMPLES:
When DJ handed the ball to Shipley on Ships second TD, he handed it to him with the points of the ball up and down…. You NEVER do this. As a QB you should have the ball and your body positioned the right way, before the RB touches it. DJ goes through his movements like a turtle compared to every other QB we have had that I can remember, and that fraction of a second is getting the RBs to the hole slower, closing the gaps.
He also is afraid of throwing a pick and WILL NOT throw above a LB and below a Safety. He took two sacks that would have been big gains if he had made these throws. Cade did it twice on the same drive with a smaller seam.
I like DJ, I hope the best for him; but Cade will be an immediate boost to the offensive production. The ONLY reason they are taking their time with this, is because they have/need to keep stability and peace in the locker room. They also have the ability to ease Cade into the game while saving DJ’s year of eligibility before we play our next conference game.
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I'm curious how many Pro DJ people
Sep 6, 2022, 10:24 PM
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were also pro KB people. And also pro Tommy Bowden people. Having a ton of fans from south carolina, which is a state that doesn't like change and also the reason the same politicians get reelected time after time after time. I'd have to say that 95% percent of pro DJ people were also pro KB and pro TB.
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Re: I'm curious how many Pro DJ people
Sep 6, 2022, 10:30 PM
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I think Clemson Fans are generally pretty fair in giving key players a chance. But it comes with a short shelf life.
Now that Clemson is an Elite program, we expect elite Players. DJU is in his 3rd year and should be VASTLY better than what we are seeing.
If after three years in the program, a true Freshman is completing as good as the starter it makes a case in going with the guy that will be around for 3 more years.
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Re: I'm curious how many Pro DJ people
Sep 6, 2022, 10:32 PM
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I'm pro Clemson not pro DJ. I don't see him as of this moment carrying us to a title. I also think one drive by a true freshman doesn't make him good enough either. I trust our coaching staff to know if/when Cade should be named the starter. Not a fan of some on here intent on trashing DJ is my main thing. But Cade needs time to get settled in too imo and so don't put him in as the starter too soon if you don't need to
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Out of Curiosity, How did you feel about this play
Sep 6, 2022, 10:37 PM
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This True Freshman's first appearance against a top 15 team on the road when the starter was in a similar situation as DJU:
Was you ready to move to this player?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ou_6nweow8
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Yes, but Cole was far worse than DJ.***
Sep 7, 2022, 9:29 AM
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Re: Yes, but Cole was far worse than DJ.***
Sep 8, 2022, 5:53 PM
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No he wasn’t. Not in college production.
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Re: I'm curious how many Pro DJ people
Sep 6, 2022, 11:09 PM
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Where are you from? South Carolina people huh? I'll take S.C. people all day long....
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South Carolina***
Sep 6, 2022, 11:43 PM
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Re: I'm curious how many Pro DJ people
Sep 7, 2022, 7:10 AM
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Born and raised in SC, left that #### hole at 17, joind the Army, and never looked back. I’ve lived in a bunch of states and countries in my 20+ yr military career and I can assure you that SC is at the bottom.
ALL my friends from HS are either dead, on drugs, and the ones that did do well, they left too.
I’m pulling for DJ, however I believe his days are numbered. The only way to mask that putrid O Line is with a mobile QB.
Go Tigers!
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Sounds like youre from Columbia or the low county lol***
Sep 7, 2022, 8:33 AM
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Re: I'm curious how many Pro DJ people
Sep 7, 2022, 8:34 AM
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Born and raised in SC, left that #### hole at 17, joind the Army, and never looked back. I’ve lived in a bunch of states and countries in my 20+ yr military career and I can assure you that SC is at the bottom.
ALL my friends from HS are either dead, on drugs, and the ones that did do well, they left too.
I’m pulling for DJ, however I believe his days are numbered. The only way to mask that putrid O Line is with a mobile QB.
Go Tigers!
Thanks for your service. Sounds like you grew up in a shi-tay town around some shi-tay people.And it's clouded your perspective. I too have lived all over the country. California, Idaho,Florida, Georgia, Iowa and have traveled to just about every major city in the US and you think the entire state of SC is the ########? Maybe true around Columbia, but even that ends as you get closer to the lake. Hopefully at some point you can find peace with whatever makes you so negative about SC. I recommend starting with a beer after boating on Lake Jocassee or having a mixed drink at the beach club in Sea Pines around sunset.
I agree on DJ. He should be much farther along than he is at this point. Overall,I think he's the "right guy" but in the wrong system here at Clemson. Our offense does require above average mobility for offense to click and DJ's first step always looks like he is kicking mud off his boots before he actually gets going.
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Re: I'm curious how many Pro DJ people
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were also pro KB people. And also pro Tommy Bowden people. Having a ton of fans from south carolina, which is a state that doesn't like change and also the reason the same politicians get reelected time after time after time. I'd have to say that 95% percent of pro DJ people were also pro KB and pro TB.
And I have to say you're about 65% off on your percentages on KB, and even more so on TB!
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Re: I'm curious how many Pro DJ people
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If you are talking change as is happening in Chicago, NY or Cali I will pass. Going to happen though. Ohio and New Yorkers are moving in my area rapidly. Done trying to ruin what was once a great school system in my area.
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Heavily anti-Bowden, I was pro-TL after the GT game
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I'm pro DJ for now. Difference between KB and DJ is one was a quarterback that couldn't throw and one is a QB that can't run, but has the ability to make all the throws. Good coaching could work around DJ's flaws pretty easily, but we've never had particularly good coaching on offense.
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Re: A Simple Question to the "pro-DJU" Crowd...
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I think for many people it’s less about being pro-DJ and more of what’s the point of post after post after post about how people don’t think he’s playing well?
Nothing anyone says is going to result in a new QB until Dabo decides, so what’s the point of putting down our starting QB in half the threads on here?
I do also think people gave him too hard of a time for last night. I understand last season was rough, but he made some really good passes last night and got little to no help from the other guys on offense. If you didn’t watch the game and only read comments on here you’d think he threw 75% of his passes in the dirt or something.
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Re: A Simple Question to the "pro-DJU" Crowd...
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We don't have to see, we are not coaches. When Dabo doesn't see it, Cade will play.
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Re: A Simple Question to the "pro-DJU" Crowd...
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But, we can have an opinion and this is a message board
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Re: A Simple Question to the "pro-DJU" Crowd...
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I am pro DJ in the sense that I would love to see him make the necessary improvements to lead us to a NC caliber team. Did not really see this last night, BUT not at all near all his fault. I would say others are to blame more than DJ for the offensive output last night.
All that being, said if Cade does what he did last night with the first team look out. Kid was smooth and accurate.
Our wideouts and Oline really really need to play better. Not sure if Collins, Ngata and Spector are more than serviceable. Cannot get separation or win 50% of the 50/50 balls that are put where they need to be. That needs to change.
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Re: A Simple Question to the "pro-DJU" Crowd...
Sep 8, 2022, 12:33 PM
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It is kind of funny how all we are talking about is changing out the QB as if that will solve all of our issues. How about we go with Williams, Taylor, and Randle as our starting WRs and see how that works out?
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I’m pro every player on the team; you should be too
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That’s our only job as fans. If things continue to play out the way they did last night we’ll see a different QB before the end of the season. What would you have fans do until then; boo the guys we have out on the field? If that’s how you wanna show that you are smarter than Dabo then there’s a team in the armpit of the state that’s more in line which your character.
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Re: I’m pro every player on the team; you should be too
Sep 6, 2022, 10:54 PM
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That’s our only job as fans. If things continue to play out the way they did last night we’ll see a different QB before the end of the season. What would you have fans do until then; boo the guys we have out on the field? If that’s how you wanna show that you are smarter than Dabo then there’s a team in the armpit of the state that’s more in line which your character.
Instead of Booing, did you notice how the fans were cheering when CK came in? Were they wrong to do that?
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I didn't have to notice; I was sitting behind our bench and
Sep 7, 2022, 7:08 AM
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I too cheered when Cade entered the game. Every fan base ever has cheered the backup QB entering the game when their team had a 3 TD lead. The important thing I noticed is how the players responded. DJ was engaged and actively supporting Cade; even the first one out to celebrate the TD. KJ Henry watched the red zone portion of the drive with his arm draped over DJ's shoulder encouraging both QBs. Our culture and team leaders will handle this situation of that I'm confident.
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Re: I’m pro every player on the team; you should be too
Sep 7, 2022, 6:53 AM
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Before the end of the season? If still in for the ND game, the season will be effectively over. Hopefully what we’ve heard is coach speak. Our coaches saw what we saw. The crowd chants of “Cade” will get louder and louder especially during our tougher games. The worm can has been opened, and it took one drive to show the nation the difference.
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Re: A Simple Question to the
Sep 6, 2022, 10:55 PM
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Because people like you root for this kid to fail to justify your idiocy for wanting a true freshman QB to thrusted into fire without ever having to read a defense schemed up by a 6 figure salary collegiate level OC…
DJ did EXACTLY what was asked of him aside from the fumble…He dropped dime throws 3 of which were crucial drops. We were all spoiled because Watson and Trevor were 5 tool QBs…DJ isn’t a runner…we all get that but your complaint should be with the staff for not calling plays to counter that.
What we saw last night…We saw a kid who stood in the pocket and ran through his progressions while watching his fckn true freshman RT fail him all game…His protection failed most of the game. He gutted it out and got the 31 point win and y’all still aren’t satisfied. We all have the luxury of judging him while not understanding the absolute pressure this dude has to burden. Grow up.
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Re: A Simple Question to the
Sep 6, 2022, 11:07 PM
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I'll offer no criticism of DJU. Instead I'll offer that he's not a great fit at QB for how our offense has been structured for the past several years.
He's a pocket passer with an absolute cannon for an arm, and he's improved his accuracy significantly from last season. However, if we want a pocket passer as a QB, the offense has to be structured around that, and in case anyone's missed it, that ain't us, for a long time now.
We don't recruit enough of the massive, talented, 5-star linemen it requires to hold a pocket against the defenses we face if we're going to make a title run. We've had success with highly mobile, fluid QBs who are able to evade and keep their eyes down the field. That isn't DJ's strong suit. His route progressions are basically 1) Designed reciever and 2) Outlet valve. He's also sorta bad at the option read/mesh-point.
Again, not a knock on him, it's just not how he plays - but if we want to win, the QB has to fit the scheme like everything else. And yes, RT is a complete liability right now, so what do you do to counter that?
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Where did you see that anyone was rooting against DJ?
Sep 6, 2022, 11:46 PM
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Thats just a dumb statement.
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Re: A Simple Question to the "pro-DJU" Crowd...
Sep 6, 2022, 11:34 PM
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Read the texts posted here carefully and see how Clemson fans with opposing views are being villainized by the “you dumb cause you don’t see things my way” argument. What was wrong with Cole Stout. So he got beat out by a more talented player. Had the more talented qb not showed up he would have had a good carrier here and graduated well loved. He gave all he had and got dumped. Now anyone who pulled for him is a villain. Tommy Bowden was no villain. He did a lot of great things for Clemson. Those were some great years. His time was up and the powers that be moved on. If you’re not happy with Dado’s patience you may should consider cutting off your funds. That would get his attention and he would have an ear to listen to your superior wisdom.
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Re: A Simple Question to the "pro-DJU" Crowd...
Sep 8, 2022, 12:37 PM
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He sure looked the part against OK in the bowl game!
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Simple question
Sep 6, 2022, 11:45 PM
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Do you think it could all be DJ's fault or does any other position group or coach is to blame as well?
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I literally cant find anyone saying DJ is the ONLY issue
Sep 7, 2022, 8:36 AM
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But if you cant see that he is ONE OF THEM, I cant help you.
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Seems to be where 90% of the blame is going and thats
Sep 7, 2022, 9:30 AM
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just lazy.
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Re: A Simple Question to the "pro-DJU" Crowd...
Sep 7, 2022, 12:23 AM
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I’m seeing that our head coach, who has for more than a decade been no less than the second best coach in the business, says he’s the starter. To argue otherwise is to believe you have a better sense of what’s best for Clemson football (which is far more complex than just who is better on a given day) than Dabo - and that would be painfully stupid.
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Dude, just #### already
Sep 7, 2022, 8:37 AM
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If you dont want to discuss Clemson sports on a Clemson sports message board, LEAVE.
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Re: Dude, just #### already
Sep 7, 2022, 9:13 AM
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I am discussing Clemson sports. You’re opinion and understanding of Clemson sports is infantile and ignorant. On topic enough for you?
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The irony of your post is undoubtedly lost on you.***
Sep 7, 2022, 9:16 AM
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Re: The irony of your post is undoubtedly lost on you.***
Sep 7, 2022, 9:20 AM
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Again, I’m sorry you’re having to endure the Dabo Swinney era. I’m sure you’ll be happier averaging 8 wins a season as long as the coach does things that make sense to you.
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oh I get it, youre a troll account! LOL...nicley done.***
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Re: A Simple Question to the "pro-DJU" Crowd...
Sep 7, 2022, 5:14 AM
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We have had 1 game. He had 250 yards total approx. He had a couple of great passes not caught. He messed up on that snap and with that fumble. Let's see how he does over the next couple games. No reason to give up yet. Let's also see how Cade does over the next few games.
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Is it being pro DJ to
Sep 7, 2022, 7:51 AM
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say let it play out? Trust that Dabo has shown he'll make the move when the timing is right? Let them both play and if an obvious conclusion is reached, then there is little resistance from anyone, including the players who love and respect DJ?
Is that pro DJ or pro Clemson?
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Re: Is it being pro DJ to
Sep 7, 2022, 7:58 AM
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I'm still waiting for someone to say something other than the generic "let it play out" or "Trust the coaches"....Yeah, I get that. I'm still looking for the things people see in DJU that makes them think he's capable of being a Conference winning QB or a National Championship QB.
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How is letting it play out hyping DJ?
Sep 7, 2022, 9:11 AM
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I see people saying DJ looked better than last year. He did. Maybe he continues to grow. Maybe he doesn't. If he doesn't, we have an option this year unlike last year.
I've seen no one claim DJ is clearly the guy to lead us to the promised land, not even the coaches. They say he's earned the right to be the starter. If Cade earns that, you think they won't start him?
If so, based on what? Because it certainly isn't prior, similar situations
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Re: A Simple Question to the "pro-DJU" Crowd...
Sep 7, 2022, 7:55 AM
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I'm not Pro DJ but I am pro not starting Cade game two. Keep DJ in and have Cade mesh in more every game and then see where he is. One series was great, lets get more film to see where he is at and then decide. Too early.
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This is easy…
Sep 7, 2022, 8:11 AM
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I know what I saw in HS. Dude was top ten overall player and #2 qb playing the stiffest comp in America.
I saw two starts as a freshman with a more mature, experienced line and better skill guys around him.
I saw a ton of roster turnover before last year and a first game against a top ten all time defense being blocked by a severely overmatched line. That same line never got healthy or consistent.
I saw so many injuries to a receiving corps that walk ons got starts. Dude was throwing to people that should only start at Wofford.
I saw a recoverer drop percentage that LED THE LEAGUE and was almost DOUBLE the worst next rate of the Swinney era.
On top of everything else he dealt with, his family was breaking up during the season… and not in a good way.
This year, against GT, I saw accuracy when no one was in his face and about four NFL quality throws down the field. Two of which were dropped.
I also watched the game a second time and only saw two throws that were uncatchable. Two. He didn’t have a single overthrow. (Remember him chucking swing passes into the stands or at the Rbs feet last year? I do.)
I saw him roll to his right, and without setting his feet, throw a ball to his third read, who had broken off his route, and be right on target for a td. The throw was almost flat and didn’t sail a single foot. It was perfect.
I also am frustrated that he’s going to play an easy game this week in terrible weather. No real chance to practice and build rhythm. I’d like him to pile up some stats that make him feel better when he sees his numbers.
Right now… this kid hasn’t caught a break in about 12 months. Not one. Yet… he’s maintained his composure and represented this university VERY well. He is the poster child for the right way to deal with adversity.
That’s leadership.
Give the man a dry football, a clean pocket and some receivers that live up to THEIR expectations and we can beat anyone.
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Yea, problem with that is
Sep 7, 2022, 8:38 AM
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Everyone else has seen what they have seen last 14 games too. And it just isnt good enough.
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This is easy…
Sep 7, 2022, 8:11 AM
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I know what I saw in HS. Dude was top ten overall player and #2 qb playing the stiffest comp in America.
I saw two starts as a freshman with a more mature, experienced line and better skill guys around him.
I saw a ton of roster turnover before last year and a first game against a top ten all time defense being blocked by a severely overmatched line. That same line never got healthy or consistent.
I saw so many injuries to a receiving corps that walk ons got starts. Dude was throwing to people that should only start at Wofford.
I saw a recoverer drop percentage that LED THE LEAGUE and was almost DOUBLE the worst next rate of the Swinney era.
On top of everything else he dealt with, his family was breaking up during the season… and not in a good way.
This year, against GT, I saw accuracy when no one was in his face and about four NFL quality throws down the field. Two of which were dropped.
I also watched the game a second time and only saw two throws that were uncatchable. Two. He didn’t have a single overthrow. (Remember him chucking swing passes into the stands or at the Rbs feet last year? I do.)
I saw him roll to his right, and without setting his feet, throw a ball to his third read, who had broken off his route, and be right on target for a td. The throw was almost flat and didn’t sail a single foot. It was perfect.
I also am frustrated that he’s going to play an easy game this week in terrible weather. No real chance to practice and build rhythm. I’d like him to pile up some stats that make him feel better when he sees his numbers.
Right now… this kid hasn’t caught a break in about 12 months. Not one. Yet… he’s maintained his composure and represented this university VERY well. He is the poster child for the right way to deal with adversity.
That’s leadership.
Give the man a dry football, a clean pocket and some receivers that live up to THEIR expectations and we can beat anyone.
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Re: A Simple Question to the "pro-DJU" Crowd...
Sep 7, 2022, 9:33 AM
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DJU may be a great guy and a great leader, but he's not a great quarterback in any system. No. 1, he's slow. Slow to start, slow to make decisions, which is particularly bad in our system. Second, and seldom mentioned, is the fact that he throws a hard ball to catch. As a former reciever, I can tell you that some QBs throw a ball that just seems to nestle in, and some throw one that feels like a brick. He usually throws it harder than necessary on the short passes. Give me a QB that can make up for the occasional "lookout" block or lapse on the part of the O-line by escaping and improvising. That definitely ain't his thing. Cade is going to replace him eventually; let's just speed up the process a little so he can be ready when we need him.
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Re: A Simple Question to the "pro-DJU" Crowd...
Sep 7, 2022, 9:46 AM
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I don’t know why we need to have a pro DJU crowd and an alternate crowd.
Personally, I am in the crowd that is pro DJU and pro Cade Klubnik and highly confident that Dabo and his staff know how to manage a roster.
With that in mind, I’ll keep going to games and enjoying the Tigers winning.
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Re: A Simple Question to the "pro-DJU" Crowd...
Sep 8, 2022, 10:19 AM
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So let’s be honest with ourselves. D.J. is a good QB ..Nobody
I know disagrees. But, a good QB will NEVER win a national
CFB championship. He still stumbles and seems slow and
cumbersome.. with a very poor QBR. If Cade is no better...we may win the
ACC...although I think N C State and Pittsburg will take more
advantages of DJ’s weaknesses than GaTech did if Cade doesn’t
take DJ’s place and be the smooth play QB we need.
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Re: A Simple Question to the "pro-DJU" Crowd...
Sep 8, 2022, 12:47 PM
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If we are going to really be honest then let's also recognize the fact that we aren't going to win a NC with the OL and WRs we currently have playing. We have some guys in Williams, Randle, and Taylor who can step up at WR and possibly change that outcome but I don't know what we can do this year with that OL. We need to somehow figure out how we can recruit the OL as well as we recruit the DL because a massive talent upgrade is clearly required.
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Re: A Simple Question to the "pro-DJU" Crowd...
Sep 8, 2022, 12:02 PM
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I'm "pro-DJU" because Dabo is "pro-DJU." No one wants to win more than Dabo and he has always proven to do what is best for the team and for getting the desired result. He has also proven to make the tough call when it is required. He spends all of his time with these guys and I spend none of my time with them nor do I have the experience to know everything that goes into these decisions.
I really believe the decision will become pretty clear-cut as we get deeper into the schedule and start playing our tougher competition. And I also believe Dabo will pull the trigger at the right time if that is truly what is needed. Right now the team seems to be behind DJ and my guess is that will stay the case as long as we keep winning but they will understand the change if and when it becomes warranted. They know that Dabo will care for them as individuals, but he will do what is right for the collective good.
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Re: A Simple Question to the "pro-DJU" Crowd...
Sep 8, 2022, 7:04 PM
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Fans are nuts if they think DJ can lead us anywhere. We need Cade’s intensity and mobility if nothing else.
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Re: A Simple Question to the "pro-DJU" Crowd...
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I see a young man who other than 3/4 plays is doing his job. I also see that there is multiple breakdowns happening around him that is affecting the PERCEPTION of his play. The 24/7 analysis with true data tells why anyone who looks at the total picture and not the narrative is in the "pro DJU crowd" Oh and by the way Deshawn Watson only accomplished this feat once in his whole career and Trevor Lawrence only twice! DJU proved if he has 10 other teammates executing their assignments his play will be perceived so much better. Take off the narrative, relax and watch the game with out looking for criticism. Do this and you will see a totally different perspective of the offense. Instead the "anti DJU crowd" focus is only on the negative aspects of the QB, even to the point of making excuses for the success! Deal in the facts not the perception you will see a different perspective and actually may enjoy the games even more! Go Tigers!
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Re: A Simple Question to the "pro-DJU" Crowd...
Sep 10, 2022, 8:44 AM
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There is no DJU crowd. There shouldn’t be a Cade crowd. There should only be a Clemson crowd and a Dabo crowd. All will be resolved for the best in time. Dabo’s time. Not yours.
Besides, who makes up the depth chart? Crowds? Fans? Enjoy the ride because that’s all it ever is for fans. And if you can’t enjoy it, please dust your sandals at the door and darken the interior no more.
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Re: A Simple Question to the "pro-DJU" Crowd...
Sep 11, 2022, 8:52 AM
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You’re lame if you’re a pro any QB crowd and not a pro Clemson crowd. If you had the brain of a coot you should be pulling for DJ if he’s out there instead of being an idiot.
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