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Legend [17599]
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90% Out on Streeter
Nov 28, 2022, 2:25 PM
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And the door is closing fast. Brandon was a tough young man and slightly above average QB who took lot of hits and kept getting up in his time on the field. As an OC, he is way over his head at a top 5/top ten program like Clemson.
Clemson was 3 TD favorites over Notre Dame and 2 TD favorites over SC. He has not developed DJ or the Offense. DJ has seriously regressed since his freshman year. And if Streeter hasn't alienated Cade and the Klubnik family, it says everything about the Klubnik's and very little about Streeter's competence level.
The Kiffin's and Leach's of the world have 10 times the offensive know-how of Brandon Streeter. Dabo and the team need competent OC leadership, development and play calling. Sad to say ... it's time to fire Streeter and move on. The DJ and Streeter experiment has failed.
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Nov 28, 2022, 2:27 PM
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Re: 92%***
Nov 28, 2022, 2:28 PM
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Re: 99 44/100%***
Nov 28, 2022, 2:29 PM
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pure as soap?
Nov 28, 2022, 2:30 PM
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LOL
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CU Medallion [57077]
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Pretty sure.***
Nov 28, 2022, 2:32 PM
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Re: 99 44/100%***
Nov 28, 2022, 7:14 PM
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110%.
And I'd like to know how DJ and his family is blackmailing Dabo and/or Streeter. What pictures or information do they have? Has the woke mod hamstrung Dabo?
Anyone with a link of football knowledge can see that DJ struggles badly. Streeter even admitted that our passing game was non-existent in the 2nd half. And Dabo has been quoted as saying you have to be able to pass the ball to win. DJ struggles with the passing game. A marginal passing game would have won that game Saturday. Heck, just running the ball would have won it
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Orange Blooded [3413]
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We weren't 3 TD favorites over ND
Nov 28, 2022, 2:28 PM
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We were favored by 4.5 I believe
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regardless we lost by 3 TDs***
Nov 28, 2022, 2:38 PM
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We weren't 3 TD favorites vs ND - thnx CuTigers835
Nov 28, 2022, 2:54 PM
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How refreshing ... a sober, non-hyperbolic post on TNet with Streeter as the topic.
Thanks for inserting an actual fact into the string.
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Re: 90% Out on Streeter
Nov 28, 2022, 2:37 PM
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Just so I've got this straight, the QB coach that oversaw DW4 (highest paid NFL QB ever) and TL (#1 draft pick) and served as passing game coordinator for two national championship teams and two runner-up spots, who took over at OC the end of last season (a 9-3 team) and is 11-2 since in the role, and whose offense is actually more productive than his predecessor from the prior season, is in over his head at the Power 5/Top 10 level type program, like Clemson, and should be fired?
Got it.
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Legend [17599]
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Yes
Nov 28, 2022, 2:44 PM
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Streeter was able to go along for the ride with DW4 and TL16 washing their socks and patting their backs as QB coach. That's about it. Now he has leadership, player development, and play calling responsibilities. A different and larger role.
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Re: Yes
Nov 28, 2022, 3:08 PM
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There is a long list of 5-Star QB's that have entered the college ranks dating back to DW4's 2014 class. Half of that list did not deliver in any meaningful fashion for anyone. I posted that list here early season but too much work to try and find. The belief that sock washing is all it takes with one of these to see them shine is not exactly accurate, as is the belief that an NFL rookie QB would have no further development or adjustments to make to compete at the NFL level, albeit there are a few exceptions for the latter.
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Legend [17599]
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+1 for thoughts
Nov 28, 2022, 3:26 PM
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And not discounting Brandon's support efforts of DW4 and TL16 behind Dabo, Chad, T.E., Jeff Scott and others. But not giving Brandon a lot of credit for developing DW4 and TL16 into two of the top 15 QB's in the world.
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Both Watson and Lawrence regressed.
Nov 28, 2022, 2:51 PM
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They were much better their freshman seasons.
Even Trevor has come out and said there were a lot of things he had to clean up to be a better NFL QB. That's glaring.
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Re: Both Watson and Lawrence regressed. BS
Nov 28, 2022, 3:16 PM
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BS ... let's start with Deshaun Watson.
Watson played less than half a season in 2014. Also, our 2014 team had either the nation's best defense or something close to that. He got a lot of extra 'at bats' when he played in 2014 because of our magnificent defense that year.
2015, we had a much weaker defense. Watson had to work harder and didn't have as many snaps to get into a rhythm. It may have seemed like he regressed but HIS play was actually better in 2015 (full season) than it was in 2014 (when teams hadn't learned to game plan for him).
2016 was a great year for Watson and everyone.
BS again ... let's go to T.Lawrence.
In 2018, T.Lawrence played on the single best overall team in Clemson history. 2018 had more up and down the roster talent on both sides of the ball than we had in either 1981 or 2016. QBs always look better when the surrounding talent is superior. This held true with true FR. T.Lawrence.
In 2019, we were no where near as good on defense; although our offense was still pretty good, our OL was worse in 2019 than it was in 2018. Worse O-Line, harder time for the QB. Worse defense, less time for the QB to get into a rhythm. 2018 was easier for T.L. than was 2019.
In 2020, our team regressed further despite making it into the CFP. Weird schedule because of the Covid cancellations. However, everything about 2020 was f'd up. If T.L. didn't feel that he got the same coaching in 2020 that he did in 2018 and 2019, then that would be true. No college player got the same coaching during the Covid year.
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Re: Both Watson and Lawrence regressed. BS
Nov 28, 2022, 7:07 PM
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That’s another reason why this situation is so frustrating. Streeter probably is a good coach, but for some reason we keep a QB in that CANNOT run our offense. As the season has gone on, it looks like our playbook has actually gotten smaller. QB Draw, handoff to Shipley/Mafah, delayed pitch to Shipley/Mafah, failed bubble screen, failed swing pass to RB, failed seam pass to TE.
That is our entire playbook as of right now.
So either Streeter is the worst QB coach and OC of all time, or DJ is the worst QB of all time. Either way, it is infuriating.
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Re: Both Watson and Lawrence regressed. BS
Nov 28, 2022, 7:20 PM
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Well, both DJ's and our offense's overall numbers are a good bit better than last season's. It ain't pretty, but both better with this being Streeter's first OC run. It's hard to watch either way though, and that's still frustrating.
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Re: 90% Out on Streeter - Wildblulou gets it right
Nov 28, 2022, 2:57 PM
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Dear Wildblulou,
You have ruined this TNet meth-heads string by citing unpopular facts about Brandon Streeter's (good) assistant coaching career.
Prepare for the coming recriminations.
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Re: 90% Out on Streeter
Nov 28, 2022, 7:06 PM
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Both DW4 and Trevor just about had nervous breakdowns in their sophomore yrs. Both of them threw more INT's, they took that weight and it was crushing them to point of tears. But at least you knew they cared.
Streeter never progressed those players beyond who they were as players their freshman year. But now with DJ, he gets his smoothie and sucks on it while answering post game questions almost like he lost a T-ball game and not a major D1 game.
I think DJ is probably a great guy, but he doesn't have that killer instinct. DW4 and TL16 both manned up and faced the media after tough games and good games. DJ5 appeared after Syracuse, hasn't appeared after bad games since, unless I just missed it?
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Re: 90% Out on Streeter
Nov 28, 2022, 7:16 PM
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Yes, he is in way over his head. And Clemson is 10-2
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Is it about production?
Nov 28, 2022, 7:22 PM
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and 9 of 13 running plays up the middle on first down for little to no gain?
I know you love to defend the staff but the play-calling is absolutely horrible.
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Re: 90% Out on Streeter
Nov 28, 2022, 2:46 PM
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So well put. A big time talent and no Offensive leadership. Same on Defense. They need help badly
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Insert Dabo's name when he was hired, now 2 Natties later***
Nov 28, 2022, 2:46 PM
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Could say same for Wes, minus the "former player" part. :)***
Nov 28, 2022, 3:00 PM
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Re: 90% Out on Streeter
Nov 28, 2022, 6:39 PM
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Season not over yet spaz. Hold that Tiger!
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I was never in
Nov 28, 2022, 6:51 PM
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Never understood that hire. Or I should say promotion
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Re: 90% Out on Streeter
Nov 28, 2022, 6:54 PM
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#AllOut
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Re: 90% Out on Streeter
Nov 28, 2022, 7:17 PM
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I agree with pretty much all of this, but want to set the record straight.
Streeter was not an above average QB. In his 2 years as a backup, he was around 35% completions with 0 touchdowns and 3 picks. In 1998, we were nothing to write home about, but he was bottom 20 statistically. He completed 53% of his passes for 1,900 yards, 13 touchdowns, and 14 picks. In 1999, before he got hurt in game 9 (and he would have never seen the field again because Woody was better than him in every single way), he threw for 1,400 yards, 4 touchdowns, and 9 picks. He also was a statue and fumble-prone. He was also 8-15 as a starter and never beat a ranked team. We weren't phenomenal, but he had weapons. Travis Zachery was an excellent running back, Brian Wofford (RIP) was a good receiver, and Rod Gardner was one of our best receivers we've ever had. We'd kill for him on this squad. Streeter was a horrible QB with terrible mechanics (hence the Cobras instantly firing him) who held those offenses back.
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