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Can someone explain why our WR can’t get ANY consistent separation
Sep 18, 2022, 5:58 PM
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We have not been able to get any last year or this year except on few occasions
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In A Word
Sep 18, 2022, 6:00 PM
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talent.
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Orange Blooded [2100]
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Re: In A Word
Sep 18, 2022, 6:01 PM
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Talent and coaching.
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Re: Can someone explain why our WR can’t get ANY consistent separation
Sep 18, 2022, 6:01 PM
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The O-Line and RBs needs to give the QB about another second or two. Hard to get separation when the defender is sitting in the QB's lap before the WR even makes it out of his break.
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Re: Can someone explain why our WR can’t get ANY consistent separation
Sep 18, 2022, 6:23 PM
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Some of it as mentioned is on the line as it dosnt allow time for routes to develop before DJ is either scrambling or going down. That said another part is recruiting. We have been recruiting long, tall guys at WR forever and until Antonio Williams hadn't had that quick guy for a while. Tay Scott would probably be the last one in my mind and he wasn't a burner by any means. Imo we need all types.
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Re: Can someone explain why our WR can’t get ANY consistent separation
Sep 18, 2022, 6:29 PM
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.....OK
But, somehow, these 3 inferior teams we have played seem to be able to the ball out so fast our World Class Defense can't get to the QB and their receivers are open.
go figger
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Poor coaching and poor play design***
Sep 18, 2022, 6:32 PM
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Because they’re not that great.
Sep 18, 2022, 6:50 PM
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They’re nowhere in the same stratosphere as our 2015-2018 WRs. Not sure why it’s taken our fans so long to see this. It’s been a steady drop since the 2019 title game vs LSU.
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Yes. Here’s a long but accurate explanation.
Sep 18, 2022, 7:08 PM
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TLDR - Our passing scheme is outdated.
It’s been a problem for a few years now but our QB/WR talent was so high for a while that it masked a growing issue. If you go back and watch Trevor’s last couple years, especially his final year, you’ll see that our receivers were rarely open but Trevor could throw them open or hit narrow windows. But when we would finally play elite teams in the playoff, our antiquated Offense just couldn’t keep up with LSU or Ohio State, even with Trevor.
Now that we lack “generational” talent at QB and WR the predictability of our passing game is really hurting us. The run game is different. Even when it is predictable, and it is much of the time, you can still just knock people back and run through holes. But more can go wrong in the passing game (as Coach Ford was fond of pointing out) and so a predictable passing game can really become a problem, especially against teams who are close in talent.
For instance, I was in the upper deck for this past game (La Tech) and could see all 22. On most of our passing plays the DBs knew exactly where our receivers were going. On one 3rd and about 6, their nickel DB saw our formation and backed off, giving Williams (WR 0) a 15-yard (!) cushion. In an updated offense that would have automatically checked to a stop route or out route just beyond the sticks. But Williams just ran right at the deep DB and DJ never even looked over. Surprise! No one else was open either.
I don’t get to come to many games so I’m limited to television angles most of the time, but being in the upper deck confirmed exactly what I suspected from TV. The opposing defense knows what’s coming 80% or more of the time.
Surely our coaches can see this on the film but I don’t think they know how to fix it. One of the reasons why our playbook got so bloated during the Elliot years (Streeter talked about this in the off-season) was because they just kept adding plays to try to break tendencies instead of realizing that the offense needed a major overhaul and taking care of that during the off-season. With the OC change Streeter had a perfect opportunity to modernize the passing game during this past offseason. Instead, Streeter and Richardson blamed the problem on inexperience and simplified the offense during the off-season by taking out rarely used plays. This has clearly helped with DJs execution but it did not solve the problem of predictability, actually making it worse. The fact that this is happening during the first three games of the season tells me that defenses know what we are doing based on previous years film study. GT was probably overprepared because they didn’t know what we had cut or kept. Furman had an easier time and La Tech seemed to know the play 3 out of 4 times.
Yes, I know we scored a lot on these teams. That is because we had MUCH better players. But even with the rest of our schedule looking weaker than expected (except FSU) we will soon be in some tight games if the OCs don’t figure something out ASAP. This is especially alarming since our defense is performing well below expectations. Maybe these coaches will figure it out. Many times we’ve seen Dabo’s teams get better as the season goes on. I hope they do. But the problems I am seeing for the kind that are very difficult to fix during the season. I would be delighted to be proven wrong by this staff.
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Re: Yes. Here’s a long but accurate explanation.
Sep 18, 2022, 10:49 PM
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The most accurate response you’ll see by way of watching the film.
I also noticed that Ngata and Collins are getting pressed more and more…Teams are willing to take the chance letting us beat them in the air. It’s rather easy for them to do when they know our WRs are just going to run to the same type route periodically. Usually all vertical.
I think the only way is a philosophical switch which would require new staff imo.
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That isn’t going to happen, even if Dabo decided Streeter wasn’t the guy.
Sep 18, 2022, 10:53 PM
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I don’t think he’s had a chance to hire and groom Streeter’s replacement, nor am I aware of any former Clemson players who could be the new OC.
Grisham promoted maybe?
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Re: Can someone explain why our WR can’t get ANY consistent separation
Sep 18, 2022, 7:11 PM
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I would say talent/skill first, followed by play design.
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Great question.
Sep 18, 2022, 7:43 PM
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I'm not nearly smart enough to know the answer. But, there are guys who watch hours and hours of tape, game and practice, and see the players every day in practice, and have hours and hours of meetings who are getting paid the big bucks to figure it out.
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DJ is staring at them the entire time and delivering the
Sep 18, 2022, 8:30 PM
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ball late. That makes coverage look good.
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Re: Can someone explain why our WR can’t get ANY consistent separation
Sep 18, 2022, 8:36 PM
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When every 10+ yard pass attempt and completion is within 5 yards of the sideline, it's easy for the DBs to hem up the WRs.
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Re: Can someone explain why our WR can’t get ANY consistent separation
Sep 18, 2022, 9:25 PM
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When every 10+ yard pass attempt and completion is within 5 yards of the sideline, it's easy for the DBs to hem up the WRs.
Yes, a huge percentage of the throws are close to the sideline. Tight ends and dragging backs across the middle of the field are almost non existent. At one time we would run the wheel route with great success. That's mostly gone. I still don't think the fans realized how many issues TL could cover up. He could make every throw in the book and if all else failed he could beat you with his feet. In the end he just about wore out Cornell Powell and Amari Rogers with one great RB and a porous line.
So the receivers are not quite as good as when TL won big. The OL is as good as some as TL had to deal with. In a nutshell, it seems we don't want to risk any high throws across the middle of field since we have almost none (finally hit D Allen in the second half across the middle on an easy throw). We have better tight ends now but can't seem to utilize them. TL would absolutely be wearing Davis Allen out - just like DW went to Jordan Leggett every time he had to have those 5 yards.
At some point DJ is going to have to throw across the middle IMO. Hope he can get it done. If not we will go to plan B. The out route has just about been beaten to death along with the bubble screen. Looking forward to some increased creativity.
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ABSOLUTELY! The sidelines are the best defender on the field
Sep 18, 2022, 9:59 PM
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Tigers have become sugar-free vanilla since The Chad left.
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I think Tyler Grisham seems like
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Sep 18, 2022, 8:39 PM
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he would make an excellent youth pastor at Newspring church.
Football coach…maybe not so much.
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Re: I think Tyler Grisham seems like
Sep 18, 2022, 9:46 PM
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Yep, Another hire I was not thrilled about
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This should help ...
Sep 18, 2022, 9:53 PM
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Coaching.***
Sep 18, 2022, 10:02 PM
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Re: Can someone explain why our WR can’t get ANY consistent separation
Sep 18, 2022, 10:05 PM
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It's the routes the wrs are running(almost everything has a long vertical stem), tbh this has been a thing for years but Tee Higgins and Ross would win jump balls and box out dbs alot better, helped that Tlaw was an extremely accurate passer.
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Re: Can someone explain why our WR can’t get ANY consistent separation
Sep 18, 2022, 10:07 PM
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No creativity at all with the scheme. No jet sweeps or crossing patterns in the middle of the field. No Sneaking out tight ends or running backs for easy plays. A Good OC will find ways to get players in space with easy throws. The receivers seem to run straight down the field. No slants or 7 yard patterns crossing the middle of field. Hopefully they figure it out. They did seem to be more creative last night.
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Re: Can someone explain why our WR can’t get ANY consistent separation
Sep 18, 2022, 10:35 PM
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No creativity at all with the scheme. No jet sweeps or crossing patterns in the middle of the field. No Sneaking out tight ends or running backs for easy plays. A Good OC will find ways to get players in space with easy throws. The receivers seem to run straight down the field. No slants or 7 yard patterns crossing the middle of field. Hopefully they figure it out. They did seem to be more creative last night.
Well said - I missed that very important point - good coaches find a way to get players in space. I didn't say it because I don't like to be negative on the board but facts are facts. Let's get it fixed and Go Tigers.
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