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Punting, we lost 60 yards of field position Saturday.

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Posted: Dec 6, 2020, 8:12 PM
 

When your team average 26 yards.
And the opposition averages 41.

13 of 15 in net ACC punting.

65th in country.

Not sure why we cannot get a good or great punter.

Frustrating to watch our opposition punters have great days and us - not so much.

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Posted: Dec 6, 2020, 8:18 PM
 

Spiers has been punting great this season, just had a bad game, probably result of cold and wind.

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Posted: Dec 6, 2020, 8:22 PM
 

Sad part is, I would have agreed with you until I looked up the ACC and national stats.
13 of 15 and 60 th.

Which means, I for one have gotten very comfortable with less than good punting.

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Spiers has been a great situational punter


Posted: Dec 6, 2020, 8:24 PM
 

It'd be great to have a guy who kicks it 80 yards, but Spiers has been doing what we ask of him all year... limit return yards, and don't get it blocked. Bad night last night, for sure, but otherwise a solid year.

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He has been much improved over last year. Not sure


Posted: Dec 6, 2020, 8:28 PM
 

what happened last night. Maybe VA tech doing something that had him rattled. Maybe cold. Maybe bad game. This is first time this year where I felt he was a liability

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Re: He has been much improved over last year. Not sure


Posted: Dec 7, 2020, 5:25 AM
 

Looked to me like VT was pressuring him from the right side of the O-line to keep him from kicking it Aussie/Rugby style. That resulted in him having to kick high into the wind. At least that's what I was thinking at the time. He's had a great year for us, though.

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He has gotten one blocked though and some others have


Posted: Dec 7, 2020, 1:18 PM
 

been very close. I know we've some protection issues on both punts and fgs, but he holds onto the ball a really, really long time on some of those rugby punts. He almost got one blocked against VT.

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Dec. 19th in Charlotte won't be warm and humid....hopefully


Posted: Dec 7, 2020, 11:27 AM
 

he puts his feet warmers in by that game.

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Posted: Dec 6, 2020, 8:27 PM
 

spiers has had a great year but not a good night. you goobers just love to find anything to b!tch about

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man just shut it already!! Spiers has had a great season

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Posted: Dec 6, 2020, 8:33 PM
 

glad you could dig through stats to discover you're actually dissatisfied. Maybe go tell your therapist?!

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Why the heck do you put a z in Clemson?

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Posted: Dec 6, 2020, 8:41 PM
 

any true fan knows the "z" is wrong. There should be a hint of a "P" in there.

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Re: Why the heck do you put a z in Clemson?

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Posted: Dec 6, 2020, 8:45 PM
 

As I went to Clemson and graduated in 1981 and been to more games than I can remember to include all three natties, I will say I am a “true” fan.

The spelling is due to me having a state license plate from the many states I have lived for the past 40 years. I tried many different ways of spelling, etc and Clemzn came back available. So I took it.

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Agreed.***

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Posted: Dec 7, 2020, 11:29 AM
 



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Posted: Dec 6, 2020, 8:53 PM
 

but I think he has done very well with punts inside the 20. Just a bad night last night in my opinion.

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Posted: Dec 6, 2020, 10:21 PM
 

Where are you seeing this 26-yard average?

I'm seeing 38.9 net yards according to https://www.ncaa.com/stats/football/fbs/current/team/98/p2


And according to https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/


Spiers is averaging 44.1 for the season and 41.3 for his career.
Pinion averaged 42.6 his senior year and 41.1 for his college career.
Hatcher averaged 43.7 his senior year and 42.9 for his college career.

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Posted: Dec 6, 2020, 10:23 PM
 

Sorry, wasn't expecting the logo that takes up most of a screen!

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he was talking about Saturday's game***


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That was supposed to be Aiden Swanson


Posted: Dec 7, 2020, 10:44 AM
 

but apparently that didn't pan out.

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Posted: Dec 7, 2020, 10:54 AM
 

Spiers' 4 punts Saturday went as follows"

1st had heavy pressure. He rushed it out to avoid a block, hit it low, and VT got a 14 yard return.

2nd punt was straight into the wind. Looked like he hit it decent but it went nowhere. Still the longest of the night. Fair catch.

3rd punt was abysmal and he would like to forget it ever happened. No excuse for a college punter to hit a ball like that. I have no clue what happened other than he almost missed the ball with his foot.

4th punt fair caught inside the 20. Hit it well. It had to be short because of field position. I think the wind still knocked it down shorter than where he would have liked for it to be caught.

If you will remember Potter also had a kickoff that fell came down at the 8 yard line instead of going through the end zone. There wasn't constant wind but there was a tunnel in the stadium and any ball that hit it got knocked down quickly.

Hopefully Spiers can bounce back in the ACC title game.

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Posted: Dec 7, 2020, 1:00 PM
 

The wind was blowing like crazy the entire game. The flag was getting stretched out every time I saw it on TV,

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Posted: Dec 7, 2020, 1:00 PM
 

The wind was blowing like crazy the entire game. The flag was getting stretched out every time I saw it on TV,

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TheACC.com shows him as sixth in the conference:


Posted: Dec 7, 2020, 11:13 AM
 

https://theacc.com/stats.aspx?path=football&year=2020

He’s averaging 43.9 and the best punter in the ACC is averaging 47.7.

NCAA’s website has him EIGHTH NATIONALLY:

https://www.ncaa.com/stats/football/fbs/current/individual/17


Not sure why the data is a bit off between the two but the long and short of it is we are fine at punting. You looked at team punting average and it would appear we let someone other than Spiers in there and they brought down the team average, which is fine.

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Posted: Dec 7, 2020, 11:19 AM
 

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Posted: Dec 7, 2020, 11:20 AM
 

Are you a Clemson fan?
Have you watched any game this year!
Spiels is having an all conference kind of year!
Good grief dude!
You just want to gripe and complain!

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Posted: Dec 7, 2020, 11:33 AM
 

Does Clemson have another Punter , or do we have to go with 20 , or 30 yard punts all the time , we will need 40 , & 50 yard punts against ND ,

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Way to do your research...

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Posted: Dec 7, 2020, 11:35 AM
 

“2020: Averaged 42.8 yards on four punts including a 56-yarder at Wake Forest … averaged 46.0 yards on three punts vs. The Citadel, placing two inside the 20 and unleashing a long of 53 en route to team special teams player of the game honors … made his 47th career start vs. Virginia to break Cole Chason’s school record for career starts by a punter (46 from 2003-06) … averaged 38.3 yards on three punts in that game … earned team special teams player of the week after he averaged 52.7 yards on three punts vs. No. 7 Miami, his first game with at least three punts and an average of 50 yards or more since 2017 against Louisville (51.8 on four punts) … averaged 50.7 yards on three punts at Georgia Tech, his second straight performance with an average of 50 yards or better, and also completed 2-of-3 passes for 13 yards in the fourth quarter while gaining in-game experience for his role as Clemson’s emergency quarterback … won ACC Specialist of the Week and team special teams player of the game honors after averaging 53.6 yards on five punts, including four of 50 yards or more, vs. Syracuse, his career-long third straight game with a punting average of 50.0 yards or more … recorded a career-long-tying 64-yard punt in that contest against Syracuse, matching 64-yard punts against Louisville in 2017 and against Charlotte in 2019, and also converted a fourth-and-3 on a fake punt with a six-yard rush … averaged 48.0 yards on three punts, with two downed inside the 20 and a long of 60 vs. Boston College, including pinning Boston College at the four-yard line and leading to a Clemson safety on the following play to seal the comeback victory … shared team special teams player of the game honors for that performance against Boston College … averaged 41.7 yards on three punts at No. 4 Notre Dame … averaged 41.2 yards on six punts vs. Pitt … punted four times at Virginia Tech.”

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You're an idiot - you forgot the most important stat - he's

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Posted: Dec 7, 2020, 2:29 PM
 

close to the Swinneys.

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Posted: Dec 7, 2020, 12:25 PM
 

Just a very rare off-night (couple of bad punts).
I’m hoping he comes back next year for his free “COVID year.”

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Posted: Dec 7, 2020, 12:30 PM
 

He has had a good season, it was looking like a great season but the last 3 games have been not so great.
Don’t know why he is getting worse as the season goes but he has proved he can be a good punter.

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Posted: Dec 7, 2020, 12:36 PM
 

My preference would be if he had 0 yards.

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According to Danny Ford.


Posted: Dec 7, 2020, 12:58 PM
 

The perfect punt is 40 yards with a 4.5 second hang time.

Now obviously there are situations where you would kick it shorter when you want to pin someone deep when you are just outside of field-goal range, but typically when you’re punting you’re not in that gray area. But the logic is to be consistent and to make the other team fair catch every punt.

It has become popular to do those Australian kicks so the ball hits the ground and you get a long roll. But typically you end up downing your own punt. Thus losing an opportunity for a turnover.

Ideally you want a high kick with good hang time which puts pressure on the receiving teams punt returner to cleanly catch the ball knowing he is surrounded by defenders. A muffed or fumbled punt is such a momentum turning play. So is a poorly executed punt.

So many people overlook special teams, but it is 1/3 of the game and I have seen teams totally dominated on both sides of the ball still win a game because of special teams. That’s exactly what happened in 1988 when FSU beat Clemson in the punt-rooskie game! Clemson dominated that game, but Deion sanders with a huge kick return to the Clemson 35 and a punt return for a TD from midfield kept FSU in the game.

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