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What did a socialist use for light before candles?
Mar 30, 2019, 7:18 PM
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Electricity
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Re: What did a socialist use for light before candles?
Mar 30, 2019, 7:19 PM
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It’s just never been tried correctly.
Or, we could end up the next Venezuela.
It’s hard to say.
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Re: What did a socialist use for light before candles?
Mar 30, 2019, 7:28 PM
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Flatulence.
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Re: What did a socialist use for light before candles?
Mar 30, 2019, 8:43 PM
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Whale blubber.
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Re: What did a socialist use for light before candles?
Mar 31, 2019, 8:41 AM
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Thank goodness for someone who knows their history!! Too bad we're a little short on whales or we could run our cars on whale blubber!
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Re: China?
Mar 30, 2019, 9:39 PM
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My post was in jest... Just a primitive form of fuel.....
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I'd give it a go
Mar 31, 2019, 6:27 AM
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I'm consistently running out of my own money , so I am in favor of other's contributions to my financial aid .
I'll need to sign where ?
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Public schools?
Mar 31, 2019, 7:47 AM
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Anyone on this site attend a public school?
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Re: Public schools?
Mar 31, 2019, 7:58 AM
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Good point. It is a continuum. Any government funding <> socialism. South America seeks to do it poorly, the Scandinavian countries seem to do it well. It would be interesting to hear an informed discussion about the differences.
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High proof vodka?***
Mar 30, 2019, 8:49 PM
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Re: What did a socialist use for light before candles?
Mar 30, 2019, 9:05 PM
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Is that why private utilities never put electicity into the rural south until the New Deal brought it in with the "socialist" REA? There are people still living that remember how thoughtfuI those wonderful capitlists were about geting power to their homes and businesses. I guess that was a bit of a reverse candle thing, huh?
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Re: What did a socialist use for light before candles?
Mar 30, 2019, 9:12 PM
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shhhhhh... some folks don't know the role of government in expanding electrification of the non-urbanized areas. Heck, they might think that the housing market is a "free market" system and that roads are built from from good will.
Just tell them that Lake Hartwell is for bass fishing and they will be happy.
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you guys clearly have no clue what socialism is***
Mar 30, 2019, 9:15 PM
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Re: you guys clearly have no clue what socialism is***
Mar 30, 2019, 9:28 PM
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I'm not sure do.
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Re: you guys clearly have no clue what socialism is***
Mar 30, 2019, 9:32 PM
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Not many do. Socialism, Republicanism, democracy and others are political systems and there are many flavors. Pure capitalism and communism are extreme opposites of economic systems. Then you mix the economic and political systems and the varieties are endless. Then you add in the meaningless labels. Doesn't really matter whether the nutcase group in charge calls themselves democratic, socialist, or people's whatever when it means the golden rule. Then as has the gold, rules. I prefer my system. I lump the elected officials and people that post simplistic posts / memes in the same group. Morons. After all. They don't agree with me. How smart can they be? ??
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Re: you guys clearly have no clue what socialism is***
Mar 31, 2019, 8:06 AM
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Good post. I agree, so I must be pretty smart. ??.
When I was younger, I was of the labeling, dismissing variety. As I have gotten older I recognize that (1) politicians / those in power divide us in order to stay in power, (2) at our best, our government funds things for the larger society, (3) it is immoral to leave the poor behind for the sake of the rich.
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Re: you guys clearly have no clue what socialism is***
Mar 31, 2019, 9:38 AM
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Not many do. Socialism, Republicanism, democracy and others are political systems and there are many flavors. Pure capitalism and communism are extreme opposites of economic systems. Then you mix the economic and political systems and the varieties are endless. Then you add in the meaningless labels. Doesn't really matter whether the nutcase group in charge calls themselves democratic, socialist, or people's whatever when it means the golden rule. Then as has the gold, rules. I prefer my system. I lump the elected officials and people that post simplistic posts / memes in the same group. Morons. After all. They don't agree with me. How smart can they be? ??
Well, except for the last few sentences I was bobbing and nodding along with you.
People who post simplistic posts and memes really want to believe the world is simple, and unfortunately what the world is dealing with now is that there's just too many echo chambers out there (the news spun just as you like it) that pander to that desire...on either side. A clear-eyed look at either extreme shows the danger of that approach. Slate, for instance, just did a pretty crushing piece on Rachel Maddow - who, despite the president's deep and abiding dislike of CNN, is by a fair bit more partisan than anybody on CNN - and who keeps trading places with Hannity for the nation's #1-rated cable "news" show...and how she's pandering to her audience's preconceptions exactly like Hannity does with his. It's an intriguing read.
https://slate.com/culture/2019/03/rachel-maddow-mueller-report-trump-barr.html
The danger then, one might conclude, is in extreme one-sided views...and in ignorance and misinformation.
History says this is so.
America, as others have pointed out, is a mixture of socialism and capitalism. Doubt it?
Pure, unchecked capitalism turns business owners into oligarchs and Robber Barons. What you get then is child labor, workers paid in s-cript (still weird you can't use that s-word on this website) that can only be redeemed at "company stores" where inferior goods are sold at vastly inflated prices, 80-hour workweeks, workers who are thrown out like trash when they get hurt, sick, or just older. Look no further than America in the late 1800's if you want to see how that looks...or Brazil or India today. The middle class evaporates. Everyone is either real rich, or real poor.
Pure unchecked socialism, on the other hand, turns into either bread-and-circuses and the public dole, as it did in the late Roman Republic, or it turns into outright Communism, as it did in the Soviet Union, where an unmotivated workforce with no hopes of merit-based advancement toils as slowly as possible, and advancement is only achieved by adherence to political orthodoxy...basically, being good members of The Party. (Interestingly, this isn't that far off what happens in far-right dictatorships either...The Nazi Party was all-important in 1940's Germany as well.)
Actually it's real fascinating how the Far Right and Far Left tend to be pretty indistinguishable, and countries can transition from one to the other, as Russia did, going from becoming a far-left Communist menace to a far-right-leaning oligarchy in less than 30 years, bu Almost like the political spectrum isn't a straight line but a circle, and it's actually the moderates on one side of the circle and extremists on the other...but hey, nevermind that, now we're really blowing some minds here.
For those who stand in the middle - which is actually most Americans, by the numbers - the current political climate is a bit like watching warring tribes of howler monkeys screech and fling excrement at one another. And we're stuck in the middle...and getting very tired of getting hit by the poop.
Just sayin'.
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Spot on.......again. I wish I could give you more than one TU.***
Mar 31, 2019, 10:53 AM
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Re: you guys clearly have no clue what socialism is***
Mar 30, 2019, 9:32 PM
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Socialism is kinda like pork. Same animal, but different cuts with different names and characteristics. America is a "vegan" that still cooks with lard. LOL.  Yeah, I could see Lady Liberty being a vegan. HA!
Actually rural electrification, highways, and even mortgage insurance are extensions of socialism (ie socialism lite) with the state acting as a controlling entity and means of production. Sure, it is not a vegan consuming some fine BBQ but it is still a "social democracy".
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Public Education, the military, highways, USPS...
Mar 31, 2019, 4:18 PM
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The National Parks system, the FCC, FAA, etc. are all government programs and departments meant to benefit all of us. And they are all a form of socialism.
If you attended Clemson, you benefitted from a socialist mechanism. So I’m not sure you know what socialism is.
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Don't forget a "public" military, to serve us all
Mar 31, 2019, 6:35 PM
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as opposed to a "private military", say like Julius Caesar's triumphant legions that overthrew the Roman Republic. Local and state police, firemen, first responders, etc.
Although interestingly, I think ambulances are private for the most part. So the EMT may save your life on the spot as a part of the public good, but the ride to the hospital is on your own dime.
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UDPers
Mar 30, 2019, 10:20 PM
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should feel lucky we let them have electricity.
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Re: What did a socialist use for light before candles?
Mar 31, 2019, 12:25 AM
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Comrades! ???
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I'll add too that the only pure Democracy, from the
Mar 31, 2019, 6:26 PM
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Athenians, only lasted about 50 years. The Roman Kingdom lasted about 250 years, followed by the Roman Republic, which lasted about 500 years. But the Roman Empire...well now, it lasted almost 1500 years, 7 times longer than our fledgling democracy, only ending in 1453 as the Byzantine Empire.
That's just a few years before Columbus discovered America in 1492. So if you want a really stable, long lasting, world influential government, history tells us we need to drop this Democracy experiment and go back to the tried and true dictatorship. Who's going to be the first political party to lay out the benefits of authoritarianism for the American voter? 
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