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Has anyone testified that Trump ever admitted to losing
Jun 17, 2022, 4:54 PM
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the election, or acknowledged and/or discussed his defeat?
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So, nobody has testified that Trump acknowledged or
Jun 17, 2022, 5:27 PM
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discussed his accepting the fact that he lost in the events leading up to Jan 6.
Also, in the video, well after Jan 6, he also says "the election was rigged and lost".
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Re: So, nobody has testified that Trump acknowledged or
Jun 17, 2022, 5:44 PM
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So, does it make you happy that he was delusional enough to think he won the election, when everyone on his rational team was telling him that he lost and there was no significant fraud? Or would would you just care to believe that he really really thought he won, even when he laid the groundwork for the loss he knew was coming by saying "the only way I lose is if it is rigged/stolen?(i.e. he KNEW that a loss was a possiblity)
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Re: So, nobody has testified that Trump acknowledged or
Jun 17, 2022, 6:41 PM
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No, it doesn't make me "happy"; it's not about me being
Jun 17, 2022, 7:22 PM
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happy. Of course he knew losing was a possibility; he just didn't believe it would happen. Over time, he had gotten rid of people who didn't tell him what he wanted to hear, and had surrounded himself with people who almost always agreed with him and rarely challenged him (those people didn't last in Trump's circle). While he ultimately had people who told him he'd lost, he still had some who insisted on not giving up, and he clung to those people and the false hope they inspired, and dismissed those who were more honest and dared to tell him he'd lost.
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Your argument is Trump was too dumb to understand which number is bigger?***
Jun 17, 2022, 5:21 PM
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No, that he believed it was rigged. That is what he has
Jun 17, 2022, 5:28 PM
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maintained. Has anyone testified that he discussed the fact that he lost? This is not that difficult. It's a simple question.
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Re: No, that he believed it was rigged. That is what he has
Jun 17, 2022, 5:34 PM
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Why would he believe that it was rigged? Every reasonable person in his administration told him that he lost. His own daughter believes the "stolen election" was BS.
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Now you're catching on! Good LAWD!
Jun 17, 2022, 6:23 PM
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"Barr worried Trump was ‘detached from reality’ in aftermath of 2020 election" - https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/barr-worried-trump-detached-reality-161501136.html https://media.zenfs.com/en/the_hill_articles_341/4398557ae567b3348a546f7f610b084d"> Barr worried Trump was ‘detached from reality’ in aftermath of 2020 election Former attorney general Bill Barr said he worried in the aftermath of the 2020 election that then-President Trump had become “detached from reality” as Trump made repeated claims about voting fraud. Barr told the House committee investigating the Jan. 6 Capitol riots in recorded testimony that Trump was making increasingly outlandish claims about rigged voting…
"As hearing’s star witness, Barr says Trump was ‘detached from reality’" - https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2022/06/13/bill-barr-trump-january-6/
"Barr calls Trump's fraud claims 'detached from reality' in Jan. 6 panel testimony" - Barr calls Trump's fraud claims 'detached from reality' in Jan. 6 panel testimony
It's very likely, and reasonable to think that Trump's massive but fragile ego would not allow him to accept the loss. I think the people around him believed that he was delusional to a point - Barr's testiomony clearly indicates as much. He was certainly in denial. He really believed the election was rigged against him, and thought the people who were telling him otherwise were saps who were being fooled.
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Re: Now you're catching on! Good LAWD!
Jun 17, 2022, 6:31 PM
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BTW, Barr said IF he believed it, he was detached from reality. Someone who really believes that would not have to set it up before hand the way Trump did. This shows he was of sound mind. F'ing GUILTY as (hopefully) soon to be charged. LOL
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Then the media TOTALLY misrepresented Barr's take.
Jun 17, 2022, 6:55 PM
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Notice they all simply say in their headlines that Barr thinks Trump was detached from reality, with no qualification ("if he believes it"). Sure, it's mentioned in the story, but that was clearly not the gist:
"Barr worried Trump was ‘detached from reality’ in aftermath of 2020 election" -
"As hearing’s star witness, Barr says Trump was ‘detached from reality’" -
"Barr calls Trump's fraud claims 'detached from reality' in Jan. 6 panel testimony"
"William Barr Says Trump Grew 'Detached From Reality' After Losing Election"
A Trump that was detached from reality seemed to suit the narrative just fine a few days ago.
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Same difference.
Jun 17, 2022, 5:37 PM
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Plenty of people testified that they told him it wasn't rigged, not to mention all the court cases he lost. So if he really still believed it was rigged, it doesn't speak highly of his mental health.
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Re: Same difference.
Jun 17, 2022, 5:38 PM
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It's only the same in that it indicates that he isn't fit to
Jun 17, 2022, 7:09 PM
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be president either way. I agree with that. However, if he believed that the election was rigged, and was looking to prove it and prevent what he saw as an illegitimate transfer of power, then that's very different from knowing full well that he lost, being mad about it, and trying to overturn what he knew was a legitimate election simply to retain power for himself. There is a huge difference between those two scenarios, with very different implications.
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Plenty of people told him the evidence wasn't there and it was illegal.***
Jun 17, 2022, 7:42 PM
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Right, and he didn't listen to those people. Instead he
Jun 17, 2022, 7:48 PM
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listened to the ones who told him it was rigged, and were willing to fight until the end with him. What is so hard to understand about that? Why do we keep going in this circle?
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Y'all seem to think it matters that some people were saying it was rigged.
Jun 17, 2022, 8:00 PM
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Let's ignore the fact that none of those people had anything credible and were just saying it as a foundation to steal the election. He had his days in court, he lost, that's it. Even Eastman admitted that what they were trying to do was illegal. Do we need to add you to the pardon list?
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T3, would you agree to the following?
Jun 17, 2022, 8:24 PM
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These are two very different scenarios, with very different legal implications:
1. Trump knew and fully understood that he lost a fair election from the very start, but was mad about losing and decided that by hook or crook, he was going to overturn that election simply so that he could retain power.
2. Trump expected to win in a landslide; all of his closest advisors were telling him such, and when he came up on short on election day, the idea of a rigged election, which was not just his, was a perfect excuse, and he latched onto it with everything he had. Even when people close to him tried to persuade him otherwise, he refused to listen and instead clung to those who continued to tell him the election was rigged, and sought to fight based on this belief to the bitter end.
Some don't seem to think there's any difference.
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Is that the Costanza Paradox?***
Jun 17, 2022, 5:58 PM
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Re: Is that the Costanza Paradox?***
Jun 17, 2022, 7:01 PM
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Was that wrong? Should I have NOT had sex with the cleaning lady on my desk?
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