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players we need to emerge this spring I'll be watching....
Feb 4, 2016, 5:25 PM
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1. Kelly Bryant
#1 by a mile in terms of importance, IMHO. I look at Kelly Bryant and I see a guy as physically talented as Cam Newton...which, while I love Deshaun Watson, he is not. Quite. Bryant is bigger, faster, and an even better athlete than Watson, and has an even stronger arm. What he is not is anything resembling the passer, leader, or decision-maker Watson is...though the truth is, he really doesn't have to get to that level. Newton certainly did not in college, he was just so physically talented it didn't matter. So's Bryant. Deshaun Watson is a truly great QB from the neck up and a very good QB from the neck down...we need the opposite to be true from Bryant and we've got both a successor to Watson and a backup we can win - and go anywhere - with if Watson misses significant time. The problem was, as a passer, Bryant was clearly...a work in progress, this past year. With Zerrick Cooper and two highly-regarded 2017 prospects on the way, Bryant probably has this one year to establish himself...and IMHO, it would benefit Clemson greatly if he did. This is also kind of a referendum on new QB coach Brandon Streeter...anybody can coach a polished, out-of-the-box-ready product like Deshaun Watson, but can Streeter develop a spectacular but very raw talent like Bryant into a top player?
I'm watching with rapt attention. If you're a diehard Clemson football junkie, you should be too.
2. Adam Choice
Choice looks a lot like your typical Alabama running back, which is a complement. He's big, squat, powerful, and a load between the tackles, and was probably on his way to grabbing the starting gig over Wayne Gallman as a true freshman before he tore his ACL and lost a full year. I'm curious to see what he looks like now because it'd be nice if we had somebody aside from Gallman who could carry the load. I love Gallman, and was on his bandwagon before almost anyone else, but I'd also prefer we didn't have to overrun him, and I'd also much prefer we find our next meat-and-potatoes between-the-tackles feature back...which, while I love his film, Tavean Feaster is not. Feaster's a luxury back, a WR/RB hybrid who does his best work in the open field and in space, and quite frankly, if his high school history is any indication, Feaster is a 10-15-touches-a-game guy, max; he isn't built to get tackled 30 times a game. So we really need Choice to emerge, both to spell Gallman in 2016 and to replace the Wayne Train in 2017...while Gallman surprised some with his decision to return in 2016, I don't think anybody thinks we'll have him back for 2017.
3. Our new left guard
We return 3 of 5 offensive starters, and Jake Fruhmorgen, who played a lot in 2015, should slide right in at right tackle for Joe Gore with little - if any - drop-off. The guy we're really going to miss is Eric MacClain...both his blocking and leadership. MacClain was definitely the Alpha personality and elder statesmen of what become a shockingly good line in 2015...we don't just need a quality blocker, we also need somebody to step up and replace his leadership, which will likely be far harder to do. A lot of candidates will vie for that open starting LG spot - maybe up to a half-dozen guys - and I'm curious to see who ultimately wins it. I'm even more curious to see what the OL looks like without MacClain riding herd on the group. Who emerges as the Alpha with MacClain gone?
4. Albert Huggins
Albert Huggins may or may not have been "Thanking God" on Twitter because Rashan Gary went elsewhere, but there's no doubting Gary's uncommitment - I don't wanna say "decommitment", because he was never officially committed - certainly opens a very large door for Huggins at SDE. Huggins was always sort of a strongside end/under tackle tweener, and with the likes of Dexter Lawrence and Niles Pinckney joining Carlos Watkins, Scott Pagano, and Christian Wilkins at DT, it definitely looks like the highly-regarded Huggins' immediate future is on the strong side. The moment for him to grab it, if he going to, or at least vie for a significant role in the rotation, is assuredly NOW. Huggins has the size, strength, and athleticism to excel as an SDE; it'll be interesting to see if he grabs the gig now that it very much appears open. He'll have to vie with the likes of Austin Bryant, Richard Yeargin III, and Clellin Ferrell for time, but physically Huggins has that rare combo of size, strength, and suddenness that could make him a very special player. Again, I'll be watching with rapt attention to see if it happens.
5. Our young linebackers
I think everybody knows Ben Boulware will be leading the charge, but there's some really, really good young LB's piling up behind him. Chad Smith redshirted, but physically he looks and moves like an NFL guy and he enrolled early last year, so he should be MUCH closer to seeing that light go on. Shaq Smith and Tre Lamar were our 5-star early enrollees, and they look like they're ready for the NFL already...they'll probably be clueless or close (as Chad Smith largely was last year) in Spring, zigging when they should zag and often looking like a deer in the headlights, but then, that's also why you want guys enrolling early in for Spring ball, to work those yips out early. The X-factor/wild man in the equation is Jalen Williams, who replaced the injured Boulware in the Wake Forest game and looked to be moving at a different speed than anybody else on the field. Williams is small for a LB, but the dude is an absolute live wire and it's hard to not think that the staff, with the meritocracy they've established, would hesitate to play Williams if he legitimately beats the others out on the field. I think he could. We watched a freshman walk-on beat out a 4-star junior starter at WR last year; we've watched the like of Grady Jarrett and Kevin Dodd become superstars at Clemson; it would not shock me if a formerly unknown camp kid like Williams ended up beating out the flotilla of 4-and-5-stars around him to grab a starting LB spot either. It will be a fascinating competition.
6. Korrin Wiggins
I really, really liked what I was seeing out of Wiggins down the stretch in 2014...in 2015, of course, he tore an ACL and was lost for the year. He may factor at strongside 'backer but I think it's more likely he vies for time at safety, where he has seen time, and if he's anything resembling 100% I think he could start.
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Good stuff. I hope Wiggins can play safety.***
Feb 4, 2016, 5:30 PM
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as always
Feb 4, 2016, 5:31 PM
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solid stuff Quozzell
who do you think will plug into MacLain's spot?
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Re: as always
Feb 4, 2016, 5:35 PM
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Maverick Morris will get the first shot at it.
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Re: as always
Feb 4, 2016, 5:38 PM
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Not judicially but I think Jay and Mitch will be the leaders of that OL.
I also would bet that Ben (duh), wiggins, and Wilkins will be the vocal guys on D
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Re: as always
Feb 4, 2016, 5:38 PM
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Not physically***
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Re: as always
Feb 4, 2016, 5:45 PM
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Maverick Morris did start some last year when Crowder went down. He did...OK.
Another possibility is Taylor Hearn sliding over from LT. Hearn was raw but he's got SIZE. We could also see one of the redshirt guys, Zach Giella or Noah Green, OR we could see somebody like Sterling Johnson or Gage Cervanka move to OG from the DL...both look like they could do it, and both are too good to not see the field somewhere if they can't crack what is a crazy-good rotation at DT right now. So like I said, there's a good half-dozen potentials, and which one ultimately grabs that gig is a matter of interest. I suppose we could even see, say, Fruhmorgen slide over to LG, with Hearn moving from backup LT to starting RT, but I think it's more likely The Viking bookends with Mitch Hyatt, which has always been the expectation since those two came in together.
They will be looking for somebody who can get out and pull, and get to the second level, which is why I could see the at least thinking about moving Fruhmorgen over. Especially when you've got a pure straight-ahead snowplow like Tyrone Crowder at one guard spot, you need your other guy to be an athlete or it limits what your line can do.
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Re: players we need to emerge this spring I'll be watching....
Feb 4, 2016, 5:54 PM
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Don't you think we will keep Jay G. At center and have Crowder and Maverick Morris play guard?
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Re: players we need to emerge this spring I'll be watching....
Feb 4, 2016, 5:59 PM
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I think you made excellent points. I also think the OL will be led by Guillermo vocally.
We really don't know much about Bryant I thought he only threw the ball 10 times. No telling how he is as a passer imo. The qb position is heavily relient on getting into a rythm, he never had that chance. I think you are 100% right though Coach streeter can really earn his check if Bryant becomes a good qb.
I'm watching out for 3 players on defense and 2 on offense.
I'm looking for Van Smith to emerge at FS, Yeargin or Ferrel to emerge as that edge rusher at WDE, and Adrian Baker to emerge as a consistent coverage corner.
On offense I'm with you looking for maverick Morris at LG and not really so much as emerge but I'd like to see Mike Williams running and being the same guy preinjury.
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Re: players we need to emerge this spring I'll be watching....
Feb 4, 2016, 6:06 PM
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Really good stuff, quozzel. Jay will be the leader of the offensive line. Huggins will take the SDE spot. Chad and Jalen are ballers. Stricker will get Kelly ready to go.
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Re: players we need to emerge this spring I'll be watching....
Feb 4, 2016, 6:12 PM
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Mitch Hyatt or Jay Guillermo will take that alpha role spot. It's natural for a center to do it and Hyatt is an elite #1 draft pick type LT. There is no one else in my mind that comes close.
Choice already looks great running on the scout team. He'll be ready to go.
I'm not sure Huggins will move to SDE. It would help tremendously if he could though.
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Re: players we need to emerge this spring I'll be watching....
Feb 4, 2016, 6:20 PM
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I appreciate the insightful post Q. Sweet job
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Re: players we need to emerge this spring I'll be watching....
Feb 4, 2016, 6:22 PM
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I agree with all assessments. Spot on analysis.
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not bad opinions...
Feb 4, 2016, 7:15 PM
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But comparing Kelly Bryant to cam newton is like comparing Walhalla Middle to the Golden State Warriors. Not even close.
I love Choice but he's not an Alabama back, not sure he'd crack the 5 deep there.
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Re: players we need to emerge this spring I'll be watching....
Feb 4, 2016, 7:20 PM
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Good analysis. I see Guillermo being the alpha dog. I,am not so sure about Huggy Bear just doesn't seem to have a true swag especially after seeing the Gary tweet
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Huggins was moved inside for a reason
Feb 4, 2016, 7:41 PM
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if they thought he could play it he would have last year with our lack of depth. He's almost 290 now. We like our DE's at 270. He's a DT.
Morris, Falcinelli and Hearn will get long looks at LG. Maverick held his own getting a good many snaps last year at RG. He's the favorite.
Watching the LB's this spring should be fun with the Smith's and Lamar in the mix.
KB and Israel will get most of the snaps this spring at QB. Will be interesting so see how much further they are along.
Choice, Fuller and Dye are competing for the RB rotation as if healthy Feaster will join Gallman as one backup. Could see a transfer after the spring here.
I'm interested in seeing guys like Register and Ferrell at DE, as they are the backups until Kelly arrives and competes.
The CB battle between Baker and Fields. How safety shakes out allowing Wiggins to stay at Nickel. Can someone kick it in the end zone? The young guys on the OL.
Should be a fun spring
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feaster's served two masters until now, track & football.
Feb 4, 2016, 7:58 PM
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when he's good to go, it'll be nice when he can train football 365, but that's a huge commitment on his part[one he's never made?] and as you say, there are 3 very hungry ones behind WG.
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I still think T. Dye is right on the
Feb 4, 2016, 8:21 PM
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cusp of being the guy (behind WG)... he just can't seem to put it all together. Talent wise, he may be the most pure back we have, and that includes Gallman.
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Excellent post. I agree with the #1 priority being...
Feb 4, 2016, 7:42 PM
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...the continued growth of Bryant. No one wants to even think about DW4 going down, but Bryant has to be able to come in and run the entire offensive package well if needed. He certainly has the ability.
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there's a reason 4 went from a reckless freshman, the reason
Feb 4, 2016, 7:53 PM
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his health was the number 1 concern coming into the 2015[on everyone's list] and the polished sophomore he became in the run game, knowing when enough was enough, knowing when to get down or get out of bounds... that's brandon streeter.
you can see during the game, in vids here and there when they speak that streeter's become a trusted voice to DW and should be giving the ####### credit he deserves.
kb is in great hands as are young master israel and as is our new incoming phenom.
the other person that should be given some credit is the guy that took care of the number 1 spot while DW was rehabbing. it was HUGE that an older, experienced and playbook savvy QB could lead the troops in that time of need, the spring and into summer until DW was ready. his contributions are too often overlooked. it's not always easy getting the door for the youngsters that are about to take your chair, kb and israel being those very youngsters, as the new kids on the block. it'll be their time to help cooper now and on and on... selflessness has been such a huge part of clemson's coming of age party.
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^^^ this is an excellent post... and is full of
Feb 4, 2016, 7:56 PM
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substance
not fluff
not sure how you can talk about the QB position, be it DW or those behind him, and not mention the importance, or give credit to, Brandon Streeter.
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OP was talking about players so I commented about...
Feb 4, 2016, 8:31 PM
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...the players. No slight intended to Brandon Streeter for goodness sakes. He's clearly important to the position, just as all our position coaches are. And he's done a great job.
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apparently, from the op, dw was out of the box ready...***
Feb 4, 2016, 8:50 PM
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I have zero idea how this became a Streeter debate...
Feb 4, 2016, 9:25 PM
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...as he did a great job with DW4 this past year. Simply making the point that Bryant's growth is a big deal for us this coming year. And Streeter will be a big part of that.
There is no question that Watson was more "ready out of the box" than any other Freshman QB I've ever seen. Did he make Freshman mistakes? Of course. Did Streeter help him correct those mistakes during his Sophomore year after he came on staff? Of course he did.
Do I need to include hashtag #Streeter anytime I mention DW4 or Bryant to show him the love?
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debate? there's no debate. we apparently agree...
Feb 4, 2016, 9:34 PM
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all i see is you originally agreed with the OP, i offered a different view of BS & DW, one you apparently findagreeable.
where's the debate unless you think as does the OP BS can't help DW? i didn't take that from you after i made my comment and you responded?
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Guess I'm a little dense...
Feb 4, 2016, 10:52 PM
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...cause your initial response (followed up by a different poster) seemed to indicate that I committed a capital offense by not complimenting Streeter. I was simply making the point that Bryant's growth is important. There was no slight intended by not including Streeter in that comment.
So, if you have an issue with the OP's comments and think he was somehow disrespecting Streeter, direct them at him. Because I certainly did not.
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no, i've never thought you dense. you said the OP's was
Feb 4, 2016, 11:25 PM
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an excellent post and talked a bit about #1, which is no worries save the part of number 1 where the OP gave no credit to BS for DW's progression.
i commented to you because you didn't seem to have an issue with any of #1, which i did and have detailed it.
if you agree with my position, great and why are we still here?
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brownies
Feb 4, 2016, 11:32 PM
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are we all here for brownies?
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i'm not into sweets, 'cept mrs gwp of course...
Feb 4, 2016, 11:35 PM
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booyaa!
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DSP, I understand that. But are you also saying that...
Feb 22, 2016, 11:41 PM
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...anytime Mitch Hyatt is mentioned we must footnote Robbie Caldwell since he's the position coach? I was simply agreeing that KB's growth is important for 2016. No sideways jab at BS was ever intended or even thought of.
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if you 'understand that' why are you still here?
Feb 23, 2016, 7:36 AM
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no, not remotely.
other than me agreeing with almost none of your response or its timing, it was an excellent post.
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You just make yourself look silly by attacking me...
Feb 27, 2016, 12:54 AM
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...over this. Really disappointed but I'm sure you don't care. Enjoy.
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Re: I have zero idea how this became a Streeter debate...
Feb 4, 2016, 9:36 PM
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> ...as he did a great job with DW4 this past year.
> Simply making the point that Bryant's growth is a big
> deal for us this coming year. And Streeter will be a
> big part of that.
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> There is no question that Watson was more "ready out
> of the box" than any other Freshman QB I've ever
> seen. Did he make Freshman mistakes? Of course. Did
> Streeter help him correct those mistakes during his
> Sophomore year after he came on staff? Of course he
> did.
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> Do I need to include hashtag #Streeter anytime I
> mention DW4 or Bryant to show him the love?
I agree Streeter's looked good based on available returns...he certainly did a heckuva job with Cole Stoudt for the bowl game against Oklahoma last year, and Watson certainly did not regress and I will agree his decision-making was more...mature.
That said, Streeter also hasn't had enough time in service to positively demonstrate he can develop yet, either, which is what I very much hope to see as his career continues at Clemson. The example I'd hold up here is Marion Hobby, who has taken raw athletes like Vic Beasley and Kevin Dodd - Shaq Lawson was less raw but certainly did not come in as good as he is now - and turned them into 1st-rounders. ESPN's Sports Science did a feature on Vic Beasley last year and it was shocking how perfect his technique was, even in slow-motion. Hobby does some spectacular work, he really does...this is a coach who literally could put five - repeat (5)! - ends into the NFL...in the last two years alone. Three of them potentially in the first round. I dunno if another position coach has ever done that before, ever, in the history of the draft.
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if you think Streeter did a good job based on the fact
Feb 4, 2016, 9:52 PM
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that "DW didn't regress".... then you are more out of touch than i thought...
DW had to be coached how to take care of himself, both on designed runs and when it breaks down. There's a reason he was injury prone before, and not so much anymore. I don't care how good you are... you don't throw for 5000 and run for 1000 w/o having to be fundamentally sound and pay attention to detail...
Not only did DW "not regress".... he got exponentially better with Streeter in his ear.
You can't say that Streeter did a great job with Stoudt for the OU game, then turn around and say "jury's still out b/c DW didn't regress"....
that's a headscratcher
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Good post. Dabo brought in Streeter because he knew
Feb 4, 2016, 11:42 PM
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what a quality coach he had become and he did a great job with DW. Also strange how Israel is being dismissed as the heir to DW. You would think he set state passing records in Alaska not Florida.
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your post is all over the
Feb 4, 2016, 11:44 PM
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Taking pointers from you.***
Feb 4, 2016, 11:50 PM
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I'm not sure you
Feb 4, 2016, 11:58 PM
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? dsp doesn't waste dsp's precious time or thoughts with idgits...
Feb 5, 2016, 8:56 AM
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and there are a lot of those here.
does that help? was that helpful?
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It helped, was also helpful too as well as informative
Feb 6, 2016, 4:59 PM
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@deadsolidperfect TIA for that. I hear she's like a hoover vacuum - that TIA chick.
What was most helpful was the intel about idgits on TNET. Was news to me.
And you welcome for the TIA intel - she'll DEW you down right
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the modern sciences have helped many of them avoid
Feb 6, 2016, 5:01 PM
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the natural selections; it's ungawdly.
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regarding the RBs
Feb 4, 2016, 8:13 PM
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I'm not sure Choice was about to win the starting job. He still had a long way to go, as I don't think he came in as a true RB. There's a big difference in a true RB, and someone that can play it.
Wayne Gallman improved more than anyone in orange from his RS frosh to soph year... anyone. As a frosh, he ran high, and was indecisive. Now, what he lacks in true RB instincts, he makes up for with his hard work and strength. He HAS BECOME a very, very good back... and his understanding of the position has improved as much as his performance.
Credit to Tony Elliott
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all these post make it sound like we play like a
Feb 4, 2016, 8:44 PM
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family or something -
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Like, however Streeter has proved himself with Stoudt and
Feb 4, 2016, 8:50 PM
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continued improvement of DW4!
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Great writeup. I agree with most
Feb 5, 2016, 1:50 AM
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of what you said.
However, in regards to "Feaster is a 10-15-touches-a-game guy, max; he isn't built to get tackled 30 times a game", I'm pretty sure many folks said the same about Gallman when he came to CU.
Won't find many people today who would argue that Wayne can't run between the tackles or endure many hits.
Feaster will have some growing to do, but like CJ, Wayne, and many others, I think he'll grow into a role as a stable runner b/w tackles and be able to take the punishment.
Just my two cents.
Thanks for the thoughtful writeup.
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Re: players we need to emerge this spring I'll be watching....
Feb 5, 2016, 7:39 AM
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WOW. A well thought out analytical post. Haven't seen one of those in awhile. Appreciate your thoughts and comments, but just wondering, do you ever have an "un-honest" opinion? Just want to make sure I can tell the two apart and if they are ever preceded by "IMUO".
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Re: players we need to emerge this spring I'll be watching....
Feb 23, 2016, 1:29 AM
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Nice insights... Like someone said above, I disagree with your opinion on Feaster but I guess time will tell!
And what about MUSE!? How is he not on your radar? Personally, I think he's going to make a lot of noise this spring and summer. I re-watched his interview from the NCG... This young man wants to play!
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Re: players we need to emerge this spring I'll be watching....
Feb 23, 2016, 5:46 AM
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Wiggins is one that gets it , and is seemingly all over the field .
I like that we have the kind of depth that pushes these guys and now we have a few " low or no offer " guys that get the chance to start or earn significant playing time due to this " prove it or move it " culture that our coaching staff has developed .
Great era in Tiger Football right now !
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While Quozzel......
Feb 23, 2016, 7:57 AM
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Looks at those things in the spring, I respectively will watch how our special teams develops. Faith in the coaches to develop Bryant, Lamar, Smith, etc. I want to see how the special teams, especially kick coverage and kick returns is going to be handled. If the Bama game wasn't enough to drive home a point, then what will.
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Re: While Quozzel......
Feb 23, 2016, 7:58 AM
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Dabo got a man on it ...rest ya nerve.
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Re: While Quozzel......
Feb 23, 2016, 8:02 AM
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Lol....rest my nerve? Dabo got a man on the defense and a man on the offense. My nerves are fine.
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Re: While Quozzel......
Feb 23, 2016, 8:24 AM
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Not being a jackazs , just implying that every situation that has caused a problem throughout Dabo's tenure he has fixed , and done so uickly and decisively . Im not worried about that one either , and we both agree like most that it MUST be fixed .
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Re: While Quozzel......
Feb 23, 2016, 2:55 PM
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Gotcha. It's glaring to the point of embarrassing at times. I too believe they will address it, I was just more concerned with special teams. Will be fun to watch them ALL!
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Re: players we need to emerge this spring I'll be watching....
Feb 23, 2016, 8:20 AM
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I always like your analysis, and this is also very good.
However, I'm not sure I'd proclaim Bryant as the #2 QB just yet - or maybe you didn't imply that and I just interpreted it this way. For me personally, until I can hear more about Tucker Israel, this deal ain't done. To date, I have been unimpressed with Bryant, especially his passing game (or the total lack of one). Personally, I think Bryant needs to move to another position, but that's just me from what little I've seen of Bryant (dating back to the Shrine Bowl where I thought he was close to awful as a QB).
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Feb 27, 2016, 3:07 AM
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Re: players we need to emerge this spring I'll be watching....
Feb 27, 2016, 8:30 AM
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Zerrick Cooper is going make you forget about Kelly Bryant!
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Re: players we need to emerge this spring I'll be watching....
Feb 27, 2016, 8:36 AM
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Disagree somewhat. Bryant is going to be a star when Watson leaves. I don't think Cooper is the second coming of Watson just yet.
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Re: players we need to emerge this spring I'll be watching....
Feb 27, 2016, 8:36 AM
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Feaster is the real deal and Choice isn't big. You need to a really hobby. #### this post.
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