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Pipes are bad; no, they are good
May 12, 2021, 4:18 PM
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What a classic move. The woke liberals cancel the Keystone XL pipeline for no valid reason – fear of spills maybe which is a fake concerns. Of course all the sheep were on board as Pipelines = Bad circulates through the echo chambers.
What a whoops today when Big Guy’s energy secretary says “the pipe is the best way to go” as they discuss Biden’s failure to fend off Russian hackers attacking our homeland and Colonial Pipeline.
Some suggest Biden sponsored the attack himself because as a woke individual, he cannot accept the name “Colonial” in a company running a major part of US infrastructure. That sounds a bit out there.
But, is Biden napping all day? Are federal agencies and the DoD that are supposed to be protecting our nation doing so, or are they “standing down” to take diversity and inclusion training, to build non-gender bathrooms, and to extract extremists from the ranks? If Russia can do this to an important pipeline, can they get into our nuclear plants? Can they get into TNet?
The libs, with heads in sand, do not see the train wreck happening before our eyes.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/jennifer-granholm-pipeline-comment-backlash
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/russian-criminal-group-may-be-responsible-colonial-pipeline-ransomware-attack-n1266793
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aW7QABOM_os
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Keep in mind these are the same people
May 12, 2021, 4:21 PM
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Re: Keep in mind these are the same people
May 12, 2021, 4:22 PM
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..and the same people who claim to follow the science. Good gosh!
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Pipes ARE the best way to transport crude, you dolt.
May 12, 2021, 4:40 PM
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The single glaring exception is dirtyass tar sands crude. It's thicker and more acidic, and leaks more than 3X as much per pipe mile than regular crude. Guess what the XL Pipeline would be moving exclusively? Dirty Canadian tar sands crude.
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Re: Pipes ARE the best way to transport crude, you dolt.
May 12, 2021, 4:48 PM
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Easy to pre-process the thicker tar into less viscous fluid on site before the pipe. If that is really a concern, it can be done. It has to be done at some point during refinement anyway. The thicker oil is equally hard to truck and likely has to be heated during transportation during winter. More expensive for sure - probably higher overall risk of spillage as well.
She was right pipes are the way to go...
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Literally just got this email from someone:
Our family was planning on taking next week off to go to the beach, but we’re currently unsure about that plan in light of the fact that I’m not sure we have enough gas between all of our cars to get to the beach and back.
and it hit me that a gas shortage is probably highly desirable from the dems perspective. If you can't get gas, you have to buy electric. And, they could care less about the real effect on real people as long as we move away from fossil fuels the ends justified the means.
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It really is a concern, and it really is a tremendous extra
May 12, 2021, 5:02 PM
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cost to oil companies to build extra on-site refineries (TC Energy in this case). I can't figure out why they aren't just building on-site refineries like you said. I bet you can though. Think it through, let me know what you come up with.
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Re: It really is a concern, and it really is a tremendous extra
May 12, 2021, 8:35 PM
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If they append the process onto an existing refinery, it's not that big of a deal. Creating the pre-treating capability as a stand-alone is more expensive, but still has a positive ROI because you get higher $/barrel om the other end. It is not near as complex as a full-blown refinery, but nevertheless is on the order of tens of millions depending on capacity. A full refinery will be well over $500M, depending on capacity.
My company actually has a patented technology that does this type of thing. We've been developing it for more than a decade and have licensed it to several small refineries and one major one. Hopefully more major refiners will license it in the future. It's not in my group, but I am well aware of it because of the level of investments we have made over a long time.
Not sure what flows through the Alaska pipeline, but I've been there several times and the pipeline appears to have a minimal impact on the environment, sans leaks.
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Re: Pipes ARE the best way to transport crude, you dolt.
May 12, 2021, 7:05 PM
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My understanding is that the keystone pipe would traverse the Ogallala aquifer, which provides quite literally every drop of potable water for that entire middle section of the country. A leak could potentially be an ecological disaster.
I’m not a oil person, and don’t really care, but that’s the explanation I’ve heard for why people are opposed to it.
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Re: Pipes ARE the best way to transport crude, you dolt.
May 12, 2021, 8:38 PM
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We have an above (or even under) ground pipeline and are concerned a leak will pollute an aquifer, which is far underground?
If it is that much of a concern, put the pipe above ground. Leaks are easy to detect, certainly detectable eons before enough oil would leak into and through the ground to make its way to an aquifer.
Scare tactics. This is the same reason why we don't have the cleanest power known to man (nuclear) providing more power.
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