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Perry Noble and Clemson involvement

emoji_events [6]
Apr 19, 2014, 12:34 PM

I will first start off by saying I have no issue with Dabo doing what he can to introduce Christ to the football team, and I am a Christian and believe in Christ fully. I will say I have never been to Newspsring Church and can only go by what I read and have others tell me. I do not believe anything 100% that I read on the internet and if Newspring is your church, my intent is not to offend you. But even if 1/4 of this article is true, do we really need this being the 1 person who will have influence over our program? This is Dabo's church, he's taking the team there, and I assume he's visiting the campus. I just have an aversion to a mega church and a guy you are not allowed to question or ask about how much of the donating is going to his pocket.

http://www.pajamapages.com/holy-rage-at-the-spring-2/

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Apr 19, 2014, 12:39 PM

If it were not a good Church I don't think Dabo would go there.

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This. I'll trust Dabo. Personally don't even know where


Apr 19, 2014, 6:18 PM

the church is located.

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I'll just leave this here.

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Apr 19, 2014, 12:40 PM
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Who is that?***


Apr 19, 2014, 12:43 PM

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Looks like Jameis Winston***


Apr 19, 2014, 12:44 PM



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two rapists.***

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Apr 19, 2014, 12:46 PM



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Apr 19, 2014, 9:15 PM

I don't know, but he looks crazy.

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Re: I'll just leave this here.

emoji_events [8]
Apr 19, 2014, 12:48 PM

Is it bad that I find the preacher 10x creepier than the rapist?

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That might just be because

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Apr 19, 2014, 12:52 PM

Winston is becoming more comfortable in the presence of rapists.

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Re: That might just be because


Apr 19, 2014, 1:35 PM

He is bracing himself for the time he will spend with them in the future. I hear that Sandusky is trying to recruit him for the Prison Football League

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Apr 19, 2014, 1:41 PM

it is probably just a big misunderstanding right? lol. boyah! your words!

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Apr 19, 2014, 2:42 PM

You are a moron. I was being sarcastic with that comment.

By the way. Quit doing this already:



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Apr 20, 2014, 2:27 PM

If that dude on the right is Perry Noble, I really, really, really don't want him to have anything to do with our football program. Dude has the craziest eyes I've ever seen. That doesn't look like a balanced person.

I say we give the FFRF--or whatever the name of that group is--some appeasement and get that person far away from our program.

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Apr 19, 2014, 12:40 PM

I also won't lie and say I have an aversion to a guy who wears afflicton t-shirts

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Here's my conviction on this.

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Apr 19, 2014, 12:43 PM

If it isn't my money I don't care.

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emoji_events [5]
Apr 19, 2014, 1:09 PM

I actually think I have lost a little respect for Dabo...I don't live in the area and had no idea the kind of 'church' he and the players attend. I live in the Charlotte Area and am very familiar with the one run by Furtick (Elevation). I am sure lots of people who attend these 'churches' have a fabulous experience and get what they need spiritually...but all I see are red flags having grown up near PTL (Fort Mill) when it was in its heyday.

IMO, these charismatic pastors are no different than Jim Bakker, etc...it's all about the money. They don't sell God...they sell an experience that makes you feel all warm and bubbly inside...no different than Disney World really. Maybe that seems unfair to some...but it just doesn't feel right to me...even sort of sinister in a way.

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Apr 19, 2014, 1:13 PM

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2013/09/22/give-pastor-perry-noble-your-money-or-youre-stupid/

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Apr 19, 2014, 1:20 PM

prayer book.

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Well, it wasn't the Friendly Atheist who went on that rant,

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Apr 19, 2014, 1:39 PM

the clip appears long enough to conclude it's not taken out of context.

Perry Noble is a carnival barker, not a pastor. It distresses me that members of our coaching staff haven't figured that out, yet. But they will. That guy is heading for a fall of Jim Bakker and Jimmy Swaggart proportions. CNBC's "American Greed" will have a field day with this greaseball. Wherever Noble went to seminary will want their M.Div. back. Oh, wait. The denomination that ordained him will defrock him. Oh, wait - he can just make up another church...

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Apr 19, 2014, 1:44 PM

nor is perry nobel's.

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Apr 19, 2014, 1:14 PM



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Re:God's church is a mega church.***

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Apr 19, 2014, 1:32 PM

New Spring is on fire and a bunch of people are going to heaven now because of this church. So I say keep up the good work Pastor PN!

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I'd say a bunch a people are going to jail in this church -

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Apr 19, 2014, 1:46 PM

Well at least in the leadership. I have no idea who is going to heaven in that congregation and neither do you. Such matters are left solely to the omnipotence of an omniscient God and as such are foreordained. It is blasphemy to speculate as to who is and who is not going to heaven. Perry Noble and Jameis Winston may well both end up there for all I know. But, you won't convince me that they haven't committed felonies here on Earth that should have them presently incarcerated. That said, the wheels of justice turn slowly, but they continue to turn...

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Apr 19, 2014, 2:03 PM

I do know one thing the Lord is alive in that Church and that's all that matters.

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Apr 19, 2014, 2:03 PM

I do know one thing the Lord is alive in that Church and that's all that matters.

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That cannot possibly be ALL that matters. If you were to

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Apr 19, 2014, 2:21 PM

Give tens of thousands of your hard earned dollars to a church and later learned the church leadership were used for orgies with the youth groups and later for abortions for those impregnated, I promise you aren't going to say, "well The Lord is alive in that church and that's all that matters!... I mean, should that be what Catholics should believe about their tithes that were used to facilitate ritual sexual abuse of little boys? Or should they be demanding answers and the prosecution of those who let it happen?

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Orgies with the youth group? U mad bro?***


Apr 19, 2014, 2:27 PM



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Apr 19, 2014, 2:29 PM

LOL this dude has jokes

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Did you not understand that it was illustrative? Wow. You

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Apr 19, 2014, 2:39 PM

guys are PERFECT chumps for Noble's carnie games.

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Re: Did you not understand that it was illustrative? Wow. You

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Apr 19, 2014, 2:44 PM

Says the guy that is worried about something he knows nothing about.

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I don't go to Newspring. I get that you

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Apr 19, 2014, 2:51 PM

don't like non-denom churches. I personally don't care how much Perry makes, it doesn't matter to me that he didn't graduate from seminary, I don't care that you hate him, etc.

The preacher in the church I grew up in makes more than Perry...traditional southern baptist. That doesn't matter either.

The fact is that every message I've ever heard from him has been as theologically sound as any baptist church I've attended, and more so than the Methodist church I attended for a while...no denomination needed.

Peace bro.

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Apr 19, 2014, 2:54 PM

To add to that seeing all those young people going to church and trying to do good is amazing.

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Apr 19, 2014, 2:59 PM

how much does perry noble make a year in salary? if you know you know more than the members because it not made public what he makes, which is one of the many complaints. I have no problem with any church or organization that is transparent with its membership and the authority it operates under, in this case the state and federal government. but if you are a church with a non taxable situation you SHOULD be accountable to your members. if you are not then you have problems. whether you are denominational or not is not the issue.

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Apr 19, 2014, 3:02 PM



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Obviously I don't know exactly. I was told


Apr 19, 2014, 3:04 PM

It was in re $250,000 range, but who knows for sure. I don't know exactly how much my pastor makes either...it doesn't matter.

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Apr 19, 2014, 3:21 PM

in your post and I just reread it to be sure, you stated that the minister in the church you grew up in makes more than noble. my question is how do you know that if you or no one knows his salary. I do understand you don't care but others that are members of that church do. I don't hate perry noble or anyone but I also don't blindly trust anyone either. if a man is a minister and a man of god imo he should want to be transparent about all things, including his salary and where money that is being GIVEN to him is being spent.

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I was just using what I was told. It's obvious


Apr 19, 2014, 3:31 PM

that there is no middle ground in this convo. I encourage you to watch a sermon or 2 (maybe one about tithing?). Try to tear up his theology if you want. You can even skip the music if you don't like it. You may still think the same way afterwords, but maybe not...there's nothing to lose.

I'm done. Peace.

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Apr 19, 2014, 3:37 PM

yes there can be no middle ground when FACTS get in the discussion. but you are right, like being pregnant, you either are or not, no middle ground. either he lets people know his salary or not. sorry I ask for facts and disputed your claim in your posts.

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Since when did bamf.....


Apr 20, 2014, 2:24 PM

bad a** mother***** become theologically sound or highway to hell

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Apr 19, 2014, 2:34 PM

do you not understand his point? every organization needs checks and balances. TRUST BUT VERIFY! beware of any minister that says you are stupid if you don't blindly give HIM money with no checks and balances and has members doing things like ben millstead and others did because a college professor points out on a news letter that there needs to be an accounting of where the church money goes. do you TRUST perry noble? that may be a better question for YOU.

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Apr 19, 2014, 2:39 PM

He said you would be stupid not to give your share to god and not reap the benefits of giving to the lord. You need to listen to the whole message.

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So, when he is saying that giving 10% to God is mandatory

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Apr 19, 2014, 2:43 PM

Noble is just fine with his congregants giving 1% or 2% to Newspring and the other 8% or 9% to other Christian churches, missions, schools, etc. ?!?!? You know very well that is NOT what he is saying. Give 10% to God means give 10% unrestricted to Newspring which means give 10% to Perry Noble to do whatever he pleases with it.

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Re: So, when he is saying that giving 10% to God is mandatory

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Apr 19, 2014, 2:46 PM

Highland if you ever need another screen name you could try Highhorse...you are everything wrong with the Church

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Apr 19, 2014, 2:46 PM

if you are giving to a church with no checks and balances about where and how the money you give is being spent, who are you giving it to? why is there a reason to not show how much of a salary perry noble gets paid. why are all the land deals PRIVATE? no accounting for church funds? are you that naïve? that is why millstead and his group of members were doing trying to silence the professor about. he was saying members should demand an accounting!

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Apr 19, 2014, 3:07 PM

First of all the Lord wants his people to prosper. If Noble was doing anything shady it would have come out by now. How much do you think it cost to have over 10 different sites going on at one time.The money is being used for the Good of Jesus Christ. That's all

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Apr 19, 2014, 6:16 PM

Well how would you know since they aren't really open about finances? Because they say so?

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Re:Man, I heard it funneling those funds to a Middle East


Apr 19, 2014, 9:17 PM

terrorist organization. Now, I am being told that he is sponsoring youth sex
orgies and paying for abortions. I don't know what to believe.

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Tell 'em leadcoot


Apr 19, 2014, 6:12 PM

smh

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That escalated quickly.***

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Apr 19, 2014, 4:29 PM



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Re: I will bet you that there are just as many improprieties


Apr 19, 2014, 9:12 PM

by the Baptist clergy as there are by the Catholic clergy.

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Apr 19, 2014, 2:07 PM

in Wisconsin.

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Haters gonna' hate. Dabo doesn't care

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Apr 19, 2014, 1:50 PM

what you think...neither do the thousands who attend Newspring. Most of the haters won't even take an hour and listen to one of the messages...it's easier to just spout nonsense.

If you trust Dabo to make good decisions then you have nothing to worry about...

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Dabo should care since a lot of good Christian parents

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Apr 19, 2014, 2:16 PM

have to some extent trusted their sons spiritual development to him. These parents have raised their sons in a variety of denominations and traditions: Southern Baptist, United Methodist, Presbyterian (USA and PCA), Episcopal, AME, National Baptist, etc... They certainly don't want their sons being led from that tradition into the hands of charlatans.

So, Dabo ought to be asking a few questions:

1. Where did Noble go to seminary?
2. Who ordained him?
3. Who monitors his personal and professional conduct and disciplines him?
4. How much does he make and who decides that?
5. What is his expense account and who monitors it?
6. Who audits his church's finances?
7. Who can fire him?

I wouldn't give one dime to a preacher (much less tithe) if I couldn't answer each of those questions. And if you are a member of an established Baptist, Methodist, Episcopal or Lutheran, etc, church, you CAN answer those questions.

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So, you don't trust Dabo. Got it.***


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Give it up. I don't trust uneducated, self-appointed

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Apr 19, 2014, 2:52 PM

"pastors" of made-up churches with my money. If Dabo does, that's nobody's business but his own. IF he is going to be leading his players (particularly those well on their way to becoming millionaires many times over) into one of these made-up churches, it should be at a minimum the players' parents business if not the university's business.

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Made up church...got it. You have a lot

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Apr 19, 2014, 3:01 PM

of hate in you. Can I suggest a good church for you? It might help.

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Well, who did form NewSpring? Was it a mission of another

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Apr 19, 2014, 4:28 PM

church? Did it break away from another church? Is it part of a larger denomination? Did the congregation already exist and call Noble to be its minister? I mean, if the answer to more than two of those questions is "no" it would sound a like someone (Noble?) just made it up.

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Re: Dabo should care since a lot of good Christian parents

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Apr 19, 2014, 9:24 PM

Why does it matter? If you want to give to the church, give. If you don't want to give, don't. People give to Iptay and Dabo makes $3 million/yr. if you like what Dabo is doing, give. If you don't like it, then don't give. It's the same principle, except I would think people getting saved would be a lot more important. All of the questions that you think Dabo should ask have answers. Not sure why it's important to know the answers as long as you see the end result.

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I hope that's a different Ben Milstead than on WCCP.***


Apr 19, 2014, 1:50 PM

nm

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Re: I hope that's a different Ben Milstead than on WCCP.***


Apr 19, 2014, 1:58 PM

same one and he works for Clemson as the audio production producer of radio sports. call wccp and ask them about it!

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Ben Milstead should be in jail for that.***

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There's something in these hills.


I was wondering about that.***


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Apr 19, 2014, 2:45 PM

I know that most of this discussion is supported by Atheist so I will attempt to be careful in the words that I choose. My intention is not to offend anyone. However, I would like to point out that 99.99999% of all Modern Day Churches are a complete heretical practice. They preach Grace, Mercy, Freedom from Religious Law, and then speak out of the other side of their mouths by enforcing the Old Testament Laws and Mosaic Law. Tithing is LAW... In the New Testament the Apostle Paul erected the first 7 Churches. He did not highlight his focus to be on law. Only the spreading of the Gospels of Yeshua Bin Yousef or Jesus as some may refer to him. His name in English is actually Joshua. Weird, but that isn't important. What is important is what came next. At the time of the creation of the first 7 churches, the Apostle Paul had collected about 58 different Gospels on the man we know as Yeshua Bin Yousef. who was a 1st Century Rabbi out of Nazareth. What would happen in 325 A.D would grossly violate the integrity and the instructions that the Apostle Paul left behind for the Church. After Paul's crucifixion by the Romans there was in insurrection lead by the Christian insurgency in the Roman Empire for well over a Century. Emperor Constantine felt threatened by this insurgency and feared that it would collapse his Empire through division. So he summoned 318 Christian Leaders and formed the 1st Council of Nicaea. The Emperor had a direct influence on what Gospels would be allowed in the Christian Bible. Out of 58 Gospels, only 4 were allowed by the Emperor. The bad news is that Constantine wasn't even a Christian. He believed in Pagan gods and practiced the ceremonial orgies of Ishtar. What we Christians refer today as Easter. Then came the King James translations. King James was not a Christian either. In fact he was a tyrant to his own people and a conqueror of other Kingdoms. He was intrigued by the Bible and how much attention it had gained by his own people. He envisioned a way for himself to use it as a way to control his kingdoms. He accented several text to place emphasis on certain passages in the Gospels to twist the meanings. This is the beginning of what you see now and what we call church today. Jesus did not create nor support a religion and neither did Paul. Paul in the Book of Corinthians did not teach nor collect a tithe. He encouraged willful giving to the poor and needy. I could go on and on about the heresy that Christians call church today, but just to correct Pastor Nobel on his bogus sermon I thought I would share this. For this very reason, I have not attended church at all in the past 9 years. Instead, I have began to educate myself on matters pertaining to Religion, Science, and History. I have come to several conclusions about many things, but one thing is for certain, GOD DOESN'T COMMAND A TITHE IN THE NEW TESTAMENT.

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Apr 19, 2014, 3:25 PM

Other than being almost 100% wrong about the First Council of Nicea, you're pretty much factual. I don't think that 99.99999% of all modern day churches are a complete heretical practice-that's rather harsh and unfounded. Constantine didn't even have a single vote in that conference. He was basically responsible for calling the meeting, and expenditures concerning the travel and meals and lodging for the 1800 invited bishops, of which 300-500 actually showed up. They were each allowed two priests, and three deacons, so there possibly could have been over 2,000 people actually attending. This was a political opportunity for the emperor, not for votes but for public relations throughout the empire. The New Testament Canon of scriptures was pretty much settled by the time of this meeting, and Constantine himself had no say about what was included in the Christian Bible. I'd really be careful about watching that bogus show on the History Channel if I were you. I think it's called "Secrets of the Bible", and it is not history, more like fantasy, along the lines of Dan Brown.

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Apr 19, 2014, 8:48 PM

> Other than being almost 100% wrong about the First
> Council of Nicea, you're pretty much factual. I
> don't think that 99.99999% of all modern day churches
> are a complete heretical practice-that's rather harsh
> and unfounded. Constantine didn't even have a single
> vote in that conference. He was basically
> responsible for calling the meeting, and expenditures
> concerning the travel and meals and lodging for the
> 1800 invited bishops, of which 300-500 actually
> showed up. They were each allowed two priests, and
> three deacons, so there possibly could have been over
> 2,000 people actually attending. This was a
> political opportunity for the emperor, not for votes
> but for public relations throughout the empire. The
> New Testament Canon of scriptures was pretty much
> settled by the time of this meeting, and Constantine
> himself had no say about what was included in the
> Christian Bible. I'd really be careful about
> watching that bogus show on the History Channel if I
> were you. I think it's called "Secrets of the
> Bible", and it is not history, more like fantasy,
> along the lines of Dan Brown.

I appreciated what Chesty had to say but also agree with you about the New Testament Canon. I have read that it was rather settled before the council even met. My memory says there may have been only one or two books that could have or almost were included that weren't.

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Apr 19, 2014, 3:35 PM

http://youtu.be/3RJBd8zE48A

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Apr 19, 2014, 4:17 PM

Check this one out....

http://youtu.be/1IAhDGYlpqY

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Apr 19, 2014, 6:33 PM

That's a great message! Well done!

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Apr 19, 2014, 6:34 PM

Man, they just nailed most contemporary churches and their formula!

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Apr 19, 2014, 5:42 PM

Two years ago, our teenage granddaughter joined NewSpring at the Florence campus. I listened to a couple of Noble's sermons on the internet and could not believe the awful language coming from his mouth. I wrote him a letter expressing my regret, which he ignored. Fortunately, our granddaughter has seen the light and left his campus. All I know is that Paul stressed this in Ephesians 5:4 - "and there must be no filthiness and silly talk, or coarse jesting, which are not fitting, but rather giving of thanks." Noble could be a good witness for God if he would clean up his mind and speech!

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Apr 19, 2014, 6:33 PM

Jesus faced a mob that was eager to execute a woman caught in adultery. He put a stop to it with a simple challenge: anyone who has no sin in their life should step forward and throw the first stone. That sentence is often cited as a reminder to avoid judging others when there are faults in your own life that need to be addressed.

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Apr 19, 2014, 8:21 PM

Jesus also said "you will know them by their fruit.!

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Apr 19, 2014, 7:49 PM

I find it amazing how successful a Godless, anti-Christian group from Wisconsin can be in inciting infighting within the Christian community. They started by saying that Dabo was committing an unconstitutional act, and now this is being used by some Christians (I guess) to attack a local church that wasn't even mentioned in the FFRF complaint.

hmmmm, wonder who's winning,...????

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Apr 19, 2014, 8:48 PM

It blows my mind that many people on this board will criticize and run down Newspring and Perry Noble but will also admit that they have never attended a service or heard him preach except for sermon excerpts that are taken out of context. I half way understand it from non-Christians but you Christians should keep your mouth shut. There are wonderful things happening at Newspring Church. At least go to one service and see for yourself before you trash it.

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Apr 19, 2014, 10:19 PM

Since the Church has existed, the biggest enemy and largest obstacle to winning souls has been Christians.
I once believed all the same garbage spewed about NewSpring without going for myself. I have been a Christian for 31 years and I had to repent of that once I saw for myself. I am telling you, don't trash people who are worshiping the same God you claim to and are growing his kingdom like nothing I've ever witnessed in person.
Perry will be held to a higher standard in God's eyes and he knows that. I have been going there for 9 years now and I have seen him evolve over that time. The man LOVES Jesus and wants to see others do the same, but at the same time, he is a sinner like all of us. He has shown extreme humility and transparency. He isn't perfect and he will tell you that. I have 3 children that were saved there. I have grown spiritually more there than I had in my previous 22 years.
I think some of these people sound EXACTLY like the Pharisees did, and I would examine my motives if that were me. That has been the biggest thorn in the church's side for hundreds of years.
The questions being asked don't have any possible answer that would satisfy your presuppositions. I think every church has a place and none of them are for everyone. If you don't like it, don't go. If you haven't been, why are you talking? Back it up. Go to a service and then come back with your opinion. If you keep speaking out of ignorance, you look foolish. Remember, I have been on both sides of this argument. I never bashed them in a public forum, but I believed the lies. If you say you are a Christian, we are on the same team. Why sabotage the great commission?

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Apr 19, 2014, 9:26 PM

A lot of coots in this thread downgrading a Godly church but that is understandable as most coots are godless. It is interesting that the current dirt ###### QB is a NewSpring member even though Perry is a huge Clemson fan. I wouldn't be surprise if more people are saved per year in SC at the New Spring branches then the rest of stone chucking churches in the state combined.

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Apr 19, 2014, 10:02 PM

Wrong! Dylan Thompson attends Shandon Baptist in Columbia, and if you google "Dylan Thompson faith" you will find a great article from last August from the P&C.

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Apr 19, 2014, 10:10 PM

don't spoil his fun and facts. also don't tell them to google or use the internet, they know it is true and only will ask for a link. they will deny it even if you gave them the link. facts and logic don't mean much to some here. and if you deny something long enough it may go away and become false. sop!

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Link?

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Apr 19, 2014, 10:10 PM

TIA in advance

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Re: Link?

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Apr 19, 2014, 10:22 PM

Be happy to oblige! a) google "Dylan Thompson faith. b) an August article from the Charleston P&C should be at the top. c) read article!

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Re: Link?


Apr 19, 2014, 10:32 PM

did you get that link little man?

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So now there are TWO of you telling everyone to use

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Apr 19, 2014, 10:35 PM

Google instead of actually providing a link?

You and MCB make a cute couple :)

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Does Lord, excuse me, Darth Perry allow that sort of thing?


Apr 19, 2014, 10:36 PM

How much do you have to pay for that indulgence...asking for a friend.

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Apr 19, 2014, 11:44 PM

No, I looked it up the old fashioned way and I figured your lazy butt could too, LOL!

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Re: Perry Noble and Clemson involvement

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Apr 19, 2014, 10:17 PM

Look, if you and others get something out of those weekly 'services' then I'm glad, I really am. However, whether its Newspring, Elevation, Jim Jones, or Jim and Tammy Bakker, they are all the same in my book. It may not be soon or even in the next 5 years, but eventually the house will crumble and they will be exposed for the charlatans they are. I pray that those who have succumbed to their spell aren't completely disillusioned and can find another spiritual home...one where the finances and pastor salary are transparent and without ATMs in the lobby (yes, some do have them).

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Your ignorance is showing

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Apr 19, 2014, 10:20 PM

Since the Church has existed, the biggest enemy and largest obstacle to winning souls has been Christians.
I once believed all the same garbage spewed about NewSpring without going for myself. I have been a Christian for 31 years and I had to repent of that once I saw for myself. I am telling you, don't trash people who are worshiping the same God you claim to and are growing his kingdom like nothing I've ever witnessed in person.
Perry will be held to a higher standard in God's eyes and he knows that. I have been going there for 9 years now and I have seen him evolve over that time. The man LOVES Jesus and wants to see others do the same, but at the same time, he is a sinner like all of us. He has shown extreme humility and transparency. He isn't perfect and he will tell you that. I have 3 children that were saved there. I have grown spiritually more there than I had in my previous 22 years.
I think some of these people sound EXACTLY like the Pharisees did, and I would examine my motives if that were me. That has been the biggest thorn in the church's side for hundreds of years.
The questions being asked don't have any possible answer that would satisfy your presuppositions. I think every church has a place and none of them are for everyone. If you don't like it, don't go. If you haven't been, why are you talking? Back it up. Go to a service and then come back with your opinion. If you keep speaking out of ignorance, you look foolish. Remember, I have been on both sides of this argument. I never bashed them in a public forum, but I believed the lies. If you say you are a Christian, we are on the same team. Why sabotage the great commission?

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Apr 19, 2014, 10:27 PM

I'm not bashing ol' Perry, mind you, but if he indeed is so humble and transparent, he probably could give a budgeted account of all of the millions of dollars that New Spring takes in every year. Naturally his transparency will extend to his salary and personal holdings that come from the faithful, right?

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Re: Your ignorance is showing

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Apr 19, 2014, 10:32 PM

I sure wouldnt tell if I were him? What answer could he possibly give that wouldn't draw criticism??
I can hear it now; Either "he makes way to much. he must not love Jesus" OR "He HAS to make more than that. He must be hiding it to avoid taxes."
Did you know that he wrote two books and has donated all the the proceeds? I know he did for at least the first one.

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Apr 20, 2014, 9:08 AM

I'm sorry, but I need to go to a church where every penny is accounted for, and the pastor's salary is public knowledge. If neither of these is done at New Spring (and they very well may be doing that) or any church, then I'm steering very clear of that one! From my experience, the churches have to have financial transparency, and a board of elected membership to run the church business.

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Apr 20, 2014, 12:23 AM

Hey, fair enough. I don't think either one of us is going to change the others mind. By the way, I do have some experience with a few similar churches in my area. For the record, my wife loves them...I wanted to walk out after about 10 minutes. To each his own I suppose. I also tend not to trust anyone who wears their faith on their sleeve...so maybe therein lies my issue...not sure. Happy Easter to you.

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Apr 20, 2014, 8:40 AM

Fair enough! God Bless you and your family! HE IS RISEN!

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Re: Perry Noble and Clemson involvement


Apr 19, 2014, 10:26 PM

let me get this straight, you are linking to a blog from a man you don't know, bashing a church you know nothing about. Sounds legit.


Since the Church has existed, the biggest enemy and largest obstacle to winning souls has been Christians.
I once believed all the same garbage spewed about NewSpring without going for myself. I have been a Christian for 31 years and I had to repent of that once I saw for myself. I am telling you, don't trash people who are worshiping the same God you claim to and are growing his kingdom like nothing I've ever witnessed in person.
Perry will be held to a higher standard in God's eyes and he knows that. I have been going there for 9 years now and I have seen him evolve over that time. The man LOVES Jesus and wants to see others do the same, but at the same time, he is a sinner like all of us. He has shown extreme humility and transparency. He isn't perfect and he will tell you that. I have 3 children that were saved there. I have grown spiritually more there than I had in my previous 22 years.
I think some of these people sound EXACTLY like the Pharisees did, and I would examine my motives if that were me. That has been the biggest thorn in the church's side for hundreds of years.
The questions being asked don't have any possible answer that would satisfy your presuppositions. I think every church has a place and none of them are for everyone. If you don't like it, don't go. If you haven't been, why are you talking? Back it up. Go to a service and then come back with your opinion. If you keep speaking out of ignorance, you look foolish. Remember, I have been on both sides of this argument. I never bashed them in a public forum, but I believed the lies. If you say you are a Christian, we are on the same team. Why sabotage the great commission?

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So he settles out of court with this guy but....


Apr 20, 2014, 9:02 AM

there was no "wrongdoing" by his church and this guy made all of this up yet he has text message records and a barrage of proof to back his claim. Wake up dude

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Apr 20, 2014, 9:08 AM

I don't think you understand. There was some wrongdoing, but it was NOT THE CHURCH. It was a handful of people (about 5) who happen to go there. One person who was on staff, was fired immediately. I won't go into the plaintiff because he lives for spreading hate at churches all over the country. Not an objective blog BTW.

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Re: So he settles out of court with this guy but....


Apr 20, 2014, 10:29 AM

I hate to inform you of this but if someone works for the church and the others were employees or members, it does involve the church. did the pastor order them or or know what they were doing? only a select few would know that. but for you to try and pretend it had nothing to do with the church is not being honest.

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That professor is a Christian. Pointing out where somebody


Apr 20, 2014, 2:27 PM

is theologically wrong is not spreading hate.

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By the way it involved multiple members on NewSpring's staff


Apr 20, 2014, 2:28 PM

including preachers. But your almighty Perry Noble had his big money lawyer from Dallas, TX to come in and help cover it up.

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The church services are taped. You can go to youtube and...


Apr 20, 2014, 2:06 PM

find them. So it's not necessary to attend to see what it's about. From watching those sermons, they are the most bizarre thing I have ever seen from church. And what you can draw about Perry Noble from those sermons is he is a very paranoid and unhinged person who has probably had drug and alcohol addiction issues.

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Re: Perry Noble and Clemson involvement


Apr 20, 2014, 1:50 AM

Clemson Fan my While life (47 years) , Newspring owner/ member the last 9 years. Baptisted in the parking lot in 07, 1 of 614 that day. I have watched the church grow from 2000 to what, 30000+. I had no desire to go and check out Newspring but my wife wanted to check it out. That was all it took, I love my church, might want to check it out before bashing it next time. Go Tiger

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Apr 20, 2014, 10:47 AM

> Clemson Fan my While life (47 years) , Newspring
> owner/ member the last 9 years. Baptisted in the
> parking lot in 07, 1 of 614 that day. I have watched
> the church grow from 2000 to what, 30000+. I had no
> desire to go and check out Newspring but my wife
> wanted to check it out. That was all it took, I love
> my church, might want to check it out before bashing
> it next time. Go Tiger

As an owner I feel certain you are welcome to look at the financials of the church. Go ahead and get Pastor Perry to open the books so we can all stop talking about this issue. You are an owner so that shouldn't be to difficult.

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Everytime someone mentions Newspring

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Apr 20, 2014, 3:38 AM

I recall what a colleague and good friend of mine from Tennessee told me once when riding around in the Upstate/

"Dang dude.....Churches are big business in South Carolina ain't they?"

When your church has become a franchise it should be a sign that somewhere along th line you have missed your mission.

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Re: Everytime someone mentions Newspring

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Apr 20, 2014, 8:33 AM

At what point, in your opinion, should a group of believers stop accepting any new members? This is a serious question, because I see on here a lot where people think a large church body is an automatic bad thing.

How is it that a large church has missed it's mission? Doesn't God command us to go out and preach the gospel to all nations? Should churches really stop short at some point? I don't get it.

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Re: Everytime someone mentions Newspring

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Apr 20, 2014, 8:39 AM

If you don't like large crowds of people worshiping God, then you are gonna HATE Heaven! HAPPY EASTER! HE IS RISEN!

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Apr 20, 2014, 1:02 PM

They'll probably be larger crowds in hell! But, yes! Happy Easter!

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Apr 20, 2014, 2:38 PM

After reading that, I think Dabo really needs to distance himself from this church and get this guy off the staff immediately. I don't mind Dabo wearing his religion on his sleeve, but this pastor is not the type of guy we want affiliated with our university if what was said in that article is true.

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Apr 20, 2014, 2:47 PM

most of what was talked about that happened was admitted. that is why they settled out of court. read the police report if you want proof.

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Re: Perry Noble and Clemson involvement


Apr 20, 2014, 3:27 PM

That sucks...then it saddens me to say, I will probably start leaning more towards the side of the FFRF group in this matter. I disagree with their call for Dabo's release, but I don't see any way that Noble can have any sort of connection to our program in an official sense.

While I'm not a Christian, I haven't had a problem with Dabo wearing his religion on his sleeve, and think that in a way it's helped to create a strong community culture within our program...but seeing these things about Noble come to light makes me wary about him having any sort of official affiliation with our team.

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Re: Perry Noble and Clemson involvement


Apr 20, 2014, 3:29 PM

Funny how you never cared enough to bring it up before

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Re: Perry Noble and Clemson involvement


Apr 20, 2014, 4:49 PM

I think if you go back and look this info about ben millstead and newspring church has been brought up numerous times.

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