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People saying :the year greatly exceeded expectations"
Jun 6, 2016, 12:31 PM
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I am wondering what you expected? Did you expect the miss the tournament? We should never expect that for Clemson baseball.
The ACC championship was a random run and incredible for this team but I am genuinely curious what were your expectations before the year.
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Re: People saying :the year greatly exceeded expectations"
Jun 6, 2016, 12:32 PM
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It's called confirmation bias. They wanted a change at coach so anything short of disaster was going to be greeted as success.
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very true
Jun 6, 2016, 12:44 PM
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and I think Lee was the right hire
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Re: very true
Jun 6, 2016, 12:55 PM
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I think he is a perfectly good coach but people can't seem to reconcile that with that fact that I still doubt it will work out well for us in the long run. Dan McDonnell's deal has competely changed the bar on baseball coaching salaries. Keep in mind McDonnell is a coach with no national championships, 3 CWS appearances, and only one conference tournament championship to his name. We should have locked up a premier level coach and didn't do it. Lee will be an acquisition target for every Power 5 school in the country with an opening. He's currently paid less than half the ACC coaches and pretty much the entire SEC.
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Re: very true
Jun 6, 2016, 1:17 PM
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Yes, but if he performs his salary will go up. You aren't going to throw a crap ton of money at a guy who had only coached at CofC beforehand. Monte is the right guy for the job.
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Re: People saying :the year greatly exceeded expectations"
Jun 6, 2016, 12:53 PM
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THEY HUH, NOT SURPRISING VIZ WOULD CALL CLEMSON FANS "THEY". NO ONE WAS A BIGGER FAN OF JACK THAN ME BUT CHANGES NEEDED TO BE MADE. ALL HE HAD TO DO WAS HIRE A PITCHING COACH AND HE WOULD STILL BE HERE. BUT HE WAS TO HARD HEADED. IF HE JUST MAKES A FEW CHANGES NOT ONLY WOULD BEER BE HERE BUT CAL RALEIGH WOULD BE HERE, PLUS THE KID THAT ENDED UP AT FLORIDA. THIS TEAM HAD LOTS OF WARTS SO YES, WINNING 44 GAMES AND THE ACC TITLE KINDA EXCEEDED EXPECTATIONS. AND WHO KNOWS WHAT HAPPENS IF WE GET A TEAM BESIDE OSU IN HERE THIS WEEKEND. BUT KEEP CALLING US "THEY" VIZ. I HOPE I AM NEVER YOUR KIND OF FAN.
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Re: People saying :the year greatly exceeded expectations"
Jun 6, 2016, 12:58 PM
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The "they" referred specifically to people who thought this year "greatly exceeded expectations." So no, I'm not a "they". But you think the last 6 years of basketball have greatly exceeded expectations too so I hope I'm never a fan like you either.
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Re: People saying :the year greatly exceeded expectations"
Jun 6, 2016, 1:03 PM
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LOL BASKETBALL HAS "NEVER" EXCEEDED ANYONES EXPECTATIONS I HOPE. BUT HEY KEEP BEATING THE FIRE BROWNELL DRUM. ONE DAY IT WILL COME TRUE OR HE WILL FIND ANOTHER JOB OR RETIRE.
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Re: People saying :the year greatly exceeded expectations"
Jun 6, 2016, 2:36 PM
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LOL, SAYS THE GUY THAT IS ON THE OUTSIDE LOOKING IN NOW THAT MONTE IS HERE.
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Re: People saying :the year greatly exceeded expectations"
Jun 6, 2016, 2:47 PM
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My money spends exactly the same no matter who is coaching and I can assure that is the only thing that matters.
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Won our first ACC title in like 10 years in the hardest
Jun 6, 2016, 12:38 PM
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conference and went from barely hosting a regional to becoming a national seed.
Took the same players (minus Beer) that Leggett had and lost against a formidable team, unlike a team called Pepperdine.
Didn't lose mid week games like the trend last year.
So yeah, unless you're an extremely pessimistic person and expected magic from a first year coach.
This yea exceeded expectations.
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I remember people were saying this season
Jun 6, 2016, 12:45 PM
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was a big success even BEFORE the ACC title. Hell even before the Notre Dame series
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Re: I remember people were saying this season
Jun 6, 2016, 1:21 PM
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I mean, I sort of thought that too. We surpassed the previous season's win total with basically the same lineup, minus Duggar and Kreiger and half as much pitching in the new coach's first season. Obviously going forward expectations will be higher, but baseball is a sport where if you win 2/3 of the games you're considered one of the best. I'm satisfied with how this season played out.
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The way our pitching was handled was just so good.
Jun 6, 2016, 2:11 PM
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I mean, our pitching situation that Lee steeped in to was just so bad.
That alone gives me hope. I did not expect to host a regional this year with this pitching staff. That alone is amazing.
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Re: Won our first ACC title in like 10 years in the hardest
Jun 6, 2016, 1:48 PM
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yes we did exceed expections!!before the season started I wanted a winning record and to win the series against the c$$ts.I had hoped not to lose any mid-week games but??????????
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These were not the same players Leggett had...
Jun 6, 2016, 2:17 PM
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Sure insert Beer. But remove Crownover, Erwin, Long, Moyer etc. No ace on the mound.
Remove Kreiger, Duggar.
Lost our top 3 pitchers and 2 of our top 3 position players.
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Re: These were not the same players Leggett had...
Jun 6, 2016, 2:20 PM
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WHY BRING FACTS INTO A DISCUSSION WITH THE ALL POWERFUL VIZ. HEY HE DID HIS PART. HE SAYS HE WENT TO 3 GAMES. YEP, AND I AM A ROCKET SURGEON.
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Re: These were not the same players Leggett had...
Jun 6, 2016, 2:26 PM
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Obsessed much. He wasn't replying to me or arguing against anything I said.
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It's funny because for basketball many said it would be the
Jun 6, 2016, 12:42 PM
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year following and then everyone got mad we didn't make it this year.
No here, you had many expecting the same type of season as the last several years. But the season turned out better with more wins and an ACC championship. I think here again the sense of what could be accomplished was raised by what happened at the end.
It reminds me of Dabo in 2009 and 2010. We went to ACCCG but lost in 2009. 2010 was going to be big but after losing at Auburn we tanked. Still we beat top ranked Miami that year. 2011 was more confirmation and finally 2012 was the breakthrough.
I think baseball may see a breakthrough quicker than football and much, much quicker than basketball.
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Re: It's funny because for basketball many said it would be the
Jun 6, 2016, 12:46 PM
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By the real standard our season ended exactly as it has the last 5 years. Anything else is spin. The ACC championship is a meaningless trophy. Do you think FSU really hold last year's over Virginia's head. Do you think any ACC teams advancing to Supers or Omaha care about ours?
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Tell the teams up North in blue that their
Jun 6, 2016, 12:50 PM
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ACC basketball championships are meaningless.
Or go to the Midwest and tell them the BIG10 regular season championship is, I'm sure you'll get laughed at.
Just because you feel it is useless doesn't equate it as fact.
Obviously the NC is the ultimate goal, but if you are going to say that any ACC title is pointless is just idiotic in my opinion.
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Re: Tell the teams up North in blue that their
Jun 6, 2016, 1:01 PM
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Duke won the ACC basketball title in 2005. UNC won the national title. Do you really think they lord that ACC title over them. Football is different because the ACC championship is a de facto play in game. So you have to win it to have your shot at the big prize.
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No, but it's still a championship
Jun 6, 2016, 1:04 PM
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And it's an achievement.
Any downplaying of that achievement looks, to me, to be looking to find things to gripe about.
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And it creates a buzz and momentum that this program has not
Jun 6, 2016, 1:05 PM
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had in a while. It is good for Clemson baseball.
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Re: No, but it's still a championship
Jun 6, 2016, 1:06 PM
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WELCOME TO THE WORLD OF VIZ. PRETTY SURE HE AINT REALLY A CLEMSON FAN, BUT ###.
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Re: No, but it's still a championship
Jun 6, 2016, 1:13 PM
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I have always measured baseball by advancement through the postseason. You're free to view it some other way. But we can win the next 10 ACC titles - if we haven't made it Omaha in that time I will not view that as a successful era. Baseball titles will always, to me and many others who actually follow college baseball, qualified by the subsequent success in the post season.
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Isn't that the same for all sports? Starting with a title we
Jun 6, 2016, 1:14 PM
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haven't gotten in over a decade is as good a place as any to build forward.
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Re: Isn't that the same for all sports? Starting with a title we
Jun 6, 2016, 1:34 PM
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I don't consider it the same in football because the size of the playoffs makes the ACC championship a playoff game. In basketball we're usually fighting for our post season life in the ACC tournament. In baseball, there is rarely that need. While no one has pointed it out - I guess I should give a little more credit for winning the ACC - not because I care about the title - but because it was what was needed to secure a host seed. Maybe if Jack would have changed his philosophy towards the ACC tourney and locked up another couple host seeds in the last 4 years he'd still be here.
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I think thats the thing
Jun 6, 2016, 1:15 PM
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I am judging a single season which is all the data we have to review for this coach.
You are right if we were to have the same situation many years in a row it may be indicative of an issue, but as a single data point I don't think your conclusion holds and seems, again in my opinion, to be a very negative way to look at the season.
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Agree.***
Jun 6, 2016, 1:16 PM
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Re: I think thats the thing
Jun 6, 2016, 1:23 PM
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The OP was about "exceeding expectations." I don't think it did that. The biggest bone of contention with those that strongly disagree with me is going to be the value placed on the ACC championship. That's fine. We're all free to agree to disagree. In my view, for the last 20+ years, the ACC baseball tournament has been approached in a less than completely competitve manner by a number of the coaches in deference to preparing for NCAA play. This caused me to lose any interest in it. I'm not gonna turn around and be a hypocrite and pretend I suddenly see some great meaning or accomplishment in It.
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Re: Tell the teams up North in blue that their
Jun 6, 2016, 1:18 PM
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I saw a team that made a ton of mental erras and still found a way to win in spite of it. I believe that coach Lee instilled a never quit mentality to the team that wasn't there the last few seasons. So after coach Lee has a couple of years in recruiting, his team will be a hard team to beat even against the teams that has had several years of building.
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The ACC Championship is not a meaningless trophy
Jun 6, 2016, 1:13 PM
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That trophy represents a conference championship that this team won. I didn't expect any championships in Coach Lee's first year. So to win the ACC exceeded my expectations.
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Re: It's funny because for basketball many said it would be the
Jun 6, 2016, 1:23 PM
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So anything short of a national title with a first year coach is a busted season? You mean winning what Wilhelm and Leggett hadn't done previously, but Lee has to win one in the first year or he's on the hot seat?
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Re: It's funny because for basketball many said it would be the
Jun 6, 2016, 1:25 PM
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So if I don't concede it "exceeded expectations" I'm describing it as "busted." It's so hard to have reasonable conversations because people resort to hyperbole.
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Re: It's funny because for basketball many said it would be the
Jun 6, 2016, 1:30 PM
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I didn't phrase that how I meant it. I understand where you're coming from, I just disagree. You want us to take a step further every year, and I get that, but I personally wanted us to not take a step (or steps) backward because of a coaching change and I wanted us to have something to build on going forward. I think the ACC Championship gives us huge momentum and gets our guys confident under Coach Lee going forward. I do agree though, going forward our goals aren't going to be "make the tournament" they will be "win a regional" or "make it to Omaha."
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Re: It's funny because for basketball many said it would be the
Jun 6, 2016, 1:41 PM
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To be explicit I consider making the NCAA tournament a minimal expectation. While getting a host seed, much less national seed, may have exceeded my expectations, being host should rightfully change those expectations. I believe that stat is that 56% of national seeds advance to Omaha. A much higher percentage advance to Supers. It was disappointing to not advance. I don't think it makes it busted or anything derogatory. I just think we fell back to our minimum expectation. I hope Lee recruits well. I hope he gets us back to the CWS in the near term. And, if he does, I hope Clemson will make the commitments necessary to keep him here. I remain very cynical about how the transition happened but that never diminshes my want for the boys to win. I was there for three of our four games this weekend. I love Tiger baseball.
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"how the transition happened..."
Jun 6, 2016, 1:51 PM
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Jack underachieved, refused to fire his useless pitching coach and was replaced. Hes a professional and a grown man that had been in the business long enough to know how it goes.
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Re: "how the transition happened..."
Jun 6, 2016, 1:54 PM
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Well that's been debated ad infinitum and can be filed under agree to disagree.
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Re: "how the transition happened..."
Jun 6, 2016, 1:55 PM
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You disagree with the fact that he refused
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Re: "how the transition happened..."
Jun 6, 2016, 2:01 PM
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Him refusing to fire his pitching coach is not the sum total of "the transition." It's over and done at this point so really no point in rehashing.
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Re: "how the transition happened..."
Jun 6, 2016, 2:07 PM
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WELL IT MOST CERTAINLY IS IF THE FACT THAT HE WOULD STILL BE HERE HAD HE DONE IT. WHAT IS REALITY IN YOUR WORLD VIZ. OR SHOULD WE CALL YOU THE GREAT AND POWERFUL OZ.
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Re: "how the transition happened..."
Jun 6, 2016, 2:11 PM
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Why are you so obsessed with me? You're worse than your bro ClemAlum07. I think you're a crazy, deranged old man. You think I'm stupid. I get it and anybody that reads this board gets it. I don't thread stalk you to keep making the point over and over and over again.
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Re: "how the transition happened..."
Jun 6, 2016, 2:14 PM
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LMFAO. YOU ARE 24/7 ON BROWNELLS AS$. HOW MANY OF "YOUR KIND" AGREE WITH YOUR DELUSIONAL VIEWS ON THE BASEBALL TEAM. COUNT EM UP. YOU WILL NEED JUST ONE HAND.
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Re: "how the transition happened..."
Jun 6, 2016, 2:25 PM
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So it's delusional that I think a baseball team that has made 24 of 25 NCAA tourneys (actually more I'm just referencing the last coach) and 5th most all time isn't "exceeding expectations" by making the around of 64? Because that is all that I've said about this team. Anything else you've made up in your head to fit your narrative.
As for the Jack narrative stop being a disengenuous asshat. You were his staunchest defender (way, way more than I ever was) until the day he was gone then suddenly you couldn't get that knife out of his back fast enough. Sorry I'm not quite the flip flopper you are.
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Re: "how the transition happened..."
Jun 6, 2016, 2:38 PM
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WRONG AGAIN. I WAS AND STILL AM A LEGGETT FAN BUT ANYONE WITH A PEA FOR A BRAIN KNEW CHANGES NEEDED TO BE MADE. HE IS GONE AND WE HAVE A NEW GUY THAT I WILL SUPPORT JUST AS I DID JACK.
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Re: It's funny because for basketball many said it would be the
Jun 6, 2016, 2:03 PM
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Agree 100%. I think we got hot at the right time and earned a national seed but in the back of my mind knew we would have to play lights out to even make it to Omaha. I like Lee's style and we have a good class coming in in the fall with some guys who should contribute in 2017. I'd like to say we are on the up and up for sure, but college baseball is always tough to judge from this far out.
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Re: Hyperbole, like calling the ACC Championship a meaningless
Jun 6, 2016, 1:49 PM
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Maybe, in fairness i qualified why I thought I was meaningless at the very least. The last two ACC champions failed to advance from regionals (may go back further than that.). I don't think that makes it much to beat your chest about.
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I was willing to entertain the debate until this...
Jun 6, 2016, 2:35 PM
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"The ACC baseball championship is a meaningless trophy?"
Not that we'd know, but that's exactly like saying winning the ACC title in Greensboro would be meaningless for the basketball team...and I think any reasoned soul would know how ludicrous that sounds.
The ACC title confirmed that when it mattered, the guys were better than anyone else. It is and will be a confirmation of achievement that has not been seen in a decade at Clemson, and a benchmark going into the future.
Meaningless? Hardly.
I actually do agree to an extent with the notion that people are saying "we did a lot better than I thought" to balm the still-raw pain of falling at home in a Regional. But I will also attest that the season showed that there is much to anticipate in the future.
And that "worthless trophy" will look mighty good next to the "worthless trophies" for football, soccer and golf in Jervey.
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Re: I was willing to entertain the debate until this...
Jun 6, 2016, 2:45 PM
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I already self corrected that meaningless was probably too harsh and that I wasn't giving due credit to the fact that winning the ACC secured our ability to host at home. But, when there are further stakes to play for I find little value in conference championships. They were born of an era before NCAA championships and for a great whole were a requisite to compete for the national title. As long as football has a four team playoff they will be supremely important. In other sports I just don't care except when we're in the position of needing to win to advance. Of course I'd love to beat UNC or Duke for an ACC basketball title. But I love beating them no matter what. Don't know how much a title would really elevate my emotions. But I respect your opinions and recognize my initial comment was probably too strong.
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I'm not calling you out here
Jun 6, 2016, 2:49 PM
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While we disagree about some things you're pretty rational about it, and that's cool. We can disagree.
But I do wonder about: "Don't know how much a title would really elevate my emotions."
I simply cannot imagine that being true. I cannot imagine a Tiger fan not being absolutely over the moon happy about achieving something we've never done in winning the ACC basketball tournament. You may well disagree, but I don't get it. And there is, in my estimation, quite a difference in winning your first ACC basketball title and winning yet another baseball title as a Clemson fan, but I can't imagine a Tiger fan not getting dang excited over winning the basketball tournament.
But, to each their own.
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Re: I'm not calling you out here
Jun 6, 2016, 3:02 PM
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You may be right. But I get pretty dang hyped anytime we beat those teams. Plus if we ever do and then get bounced in the first round of the NCAA it would suck that much harder.
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'Tis better to have loved and lost than never to have loved
Jun 6, 2016, 3:21 PM
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at all. ~ Alfred Lord Tennyson
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Re: People saying :the year greatly exceeded expectations"
Jun 6, 2016, 12:46 PM
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Anything short of defeating the 1927 Yankees, 1985 Bears and the 1996 Bulls in route to being crowned Universal Champions of the Eon is a failure in my opinion. Of course, I demand prefection in everything.
I think I just broke the meter.
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Re: People saying :the year greatly exceeded expectations"
Jun 6, 2016, 1:00 PM
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My expectation s to not regress because of a coaching change. Sure I wanted us to improve but I did not expect to have more wins than any team in the last 5 years. I didn't expect we would be hosting regional for first time in 7 years or to be a national seed for the first time in a decade. I really didn't expect us to win the ACC. I am disappointed but you are joking if you expect this season.
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Out of curiosity
Jun 6, 2016, 1:03 PM
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Why is winning the championship a "random run" and losing the regional a sign that our season wasn't a success?
For me, it's rather simple. I wanted to see a team this year that battled hard, found ways to win games, was entertaining to watch, and managed to check off some of the pre-season goals.
We did those things and so this season was a success, to me, especially considering it was under a first year head coach.
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i agree
Jun 6, 2016, 1:21 PM
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if you would have told me that tigers would be a national seed, win acc tourney, host regional, etc. and do all this with a first yr coach, i would have asked you to please please tell me what med doc prescribed. i want tigers to win everything in all sports. i get clouded with expectations and see only orange. with that being said, this team far exceeded expectations and i could not be happier. my hope is that ok state rolls on to omaha and show nation what i watched. they have timely hitting, good d, and their pitching is very very good
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Re: People saying :the year greatly exceeded expectations"
Jun 6, 2016, 1:11 PM
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To me the ACC title exceeded expectations. I was hoping we would make postseason and we did. Hosting regional exceeded expectations but once we had that then not advancing was disappointing. On balance exceeded expectations though
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I expect Clemson student athletes to follow the rules and strive toward
Jun 6, 2016, 1:11 PM
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An education.
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Re: People saying :the year greatly exceeded expectations"
Jun 6, 2016, 1:14 PM
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I expected 35-36 wins and a 2-3 in the regionals, maybe winning a game or two in the ACC Tourney. Obviously when we started out hot my expectations got a little higher, but I mean I didn't expect to go into this season Omaha or bust with out lack of pitching and shaky defense.
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Winning season. 30+ wins and trending up.
Jun 6, 2016, 1:55 PM
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We are definitely trending up. We exceeded "my expectations" on the #wins and the #ACC-CShip.
I never like to lose and don't make excuses. We lost to a better team with more pitching depth. This team exceeded expectations because of the lack of starting pitching and marginal defense of returning players. The team overcame many obstacles along the way.
I'm excited about our future.
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I don't think a lot of thought went into 2016 expectations
Jun 6, 2016, 2:00 PM
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there was a general malaise with the program and thought it was going to be stale. They just assumed that 2016 was going to be another similar run. But 2016 was always trending to be a good year. Anytime you have Seth Beer, Cal Raleigh and Jackson Kowar coming in it was going to be a good year. Raleigh started every game for FSU and batted cleanup as a Fr. Could you imagine a lineup that had Beer, Okey and Raleigh back to back to back? The main difference in this year and last is Seth Beer and Okey coming out of a SO slump. Kowar could have threated to be a midweek starter by the end of the year. But he was buried behind all those UF arms.
I think people feel better because the offensive numbers were up. But they were up nationwide.
We didn't lose any embarrassing games and that makes folks feel better. Lee clearly has a different mentality on OOC games.
Coach See is a huge improvement over Pepsi-cola.
But as you said, short of great run in the ACCT, we basically had the same results in confernence.
That being said, it certainly FEELS like a different program. It feels like a program with new energy. I'm 100% supportive of the change and 100% behind Lee. But this season is basically what I expected from a results standpoint. I didn't expect a National Seed, but that in a lot of ways was getting hot at the right time. I thought we'd have the potential to be a borderline regional host.
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Re: I don't think a lot of thought went into 2016 expectations
Jun 6, 2016, 2:05 PM
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I'll probably get ripped but just to be factual our team batting average is actually down this year from .288 to .273. Slugging and OB% were up.
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Viztiz claims ACC championship is pointless
Jun 6, 2016, 2:47 PM
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but it's the EXACT reason we were a national seed.
Did we perform to a national seed expectation, unfortunately not but just goes to prove even more this dude just talks out of his ###.
No ACC championship = no national seed, bottom line.
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Re: Viztiz claims ACC championship is pointless
Jun 6, 2016, 2:59 PM
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Welcome to the party - I have acknowledged that several times in the thread since that first comment. But you are correct.
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My only expectation is be competitive... unlike the last 5 years under JL....
Jun 6, 2016, 2:04 PM
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Never, NEVER!!!!!!, I expected us to win the ACC tourney, get a national seed, and host a regional......
So....yes...... they far exceeded my expectations......
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I expected about a 35 win team and a 2 or 3 seed at the
Jun 6, 2016, 2:07 PM
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Columbia, Vandy, or Florida regional.
Something like that. Winning 1 or 2 games in the ACC Tourney.
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Re: I expected about a 35 win team and a 2 or 3 seed at the
Jun 6, 2016, 2:55 PM
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Same here as far as 35 wins. In fact, i posted on here preseason that i thought 35ish.
I'm very pleased with 43 wins. Hate how it ended but still pleased
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I KIND of expected making the tournament, but I wouldn't
Jun 6, 2016, 2:24 PM
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have been shocked if we didn't.
I didn't EXPECT to host...let alone be a National Seed. I didn't expect 43 wins. I am not surprised we beat the Gamecocks but I wouldn't say I "expected" to. I DEFINITELY didn't think we'd win the conference.
I'm sure some on here expected us to get to a Super Regional, and maybe but for the way the brackets ended up, we would be. But I doubt many would have said "I expect us to win 43 games this year, be a national seed and win the conference."
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Expectations for the program should always be very high.
Jun 6, 2016, 3:35 PM
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However, given the circumstances, there was little reason this season to expect this much.
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Re: People saying :the year greatly exceeded expectations"
Jun 6, 2016, 3:37 PM
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I expected what we got and I expected it to even be better next season.
It sucked a big one to lose to OK ST but they were a better team.
I kind of figured the bad pitching and errors would catch up and it did.
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Re: People saying :the year greatly exceeded expectations"
Jun 6, 2016, 3:54 PM
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The OP and Viztiz needs to get together for a circle jerk or something. They knoweth not what they speaketh. If the season exceeded someone's expectations, who the #### are you two to say it didn't for those people. You two act like you're the voice of TIGER NATION. Here's a clue - YOU AIN'T. Get over it and move on dudes. You two give CLEMSON fans a bad name IMO. If it's okay with you two high-and-mighty, the rest of us are totally appreciative of everything this team has done this year, in spite of their known weaknesses that needed to be addressed. Personally, I could barely watch them play the last few years (like BBall is still), but this year has been fun to watch. If you missed it, maybe your heads were too far up your arses.
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Re: People saying :the year greatly exceeded expectations"
Jun 6, 2016, 4:11 PM
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I'm pretty sure I never represented that I was expressing anyone's opinion but my own and have been pretty deferential to others opinions in the sub threads that emerged. Sorry that you find the existence of opinions contrary to your own so upsetting. I'm sure we have more middle ground than you realize but inflamed indignation can be fun too. I get it.
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my expectations were
Jun 6, 2016, 4:20 PM
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around 30-35 wins, win one game in the ACC tourney, and get a three seed in a regional. so I'd say they exceeded mine
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Winning season. 30+ wins and trending up.
Jun 6, 2016, 4:31 PM
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We are definitely trending up. We exceeded "my expectations" on the #wins and the #ACC-CShip.
I never like to lose and don't make excuses. We lost to a better team with more pitching depth. This team exceeded expectations because of the lack of starting pitching and marginal defense of returning players. The team overcame many obstacles along the way.
I'm excited about our future.
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so the ACC media said we'd finish 5th in the Division
Jun 6, 2016, 4:34 PM
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and you want to call out members of the board who felt they'd not rank in the Top 10 in RPI,
not have a winning record for series in the ACC,
not make a run at the ACC tourney, and
not host a Regional?
You're actually saying that those were "reasonable expectations"?
eff you.
you and viztizzle need to find a really, really good Psychologist....
Daddy obviously did a bad Lombardi-number on you.
lol
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Re: so the ACC media said we'd finish 5th in the Division
Jun 6, 2016, 5:01 PM
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Do you even baseball bro? We're one of the winningest programs in the history of the sport. You sound like the one trying to tear it down now. Yes - all those things should always be expectations.
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