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Mediocre schools, or bad students?
Apr 6, 2016, 4:03 PM
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If so many middle to high income students are having to take remedial courses to get into college, the most obvious explanation isn't that their schools are bad- it's that they're bad students. And if students who had to take remedial courses graduate at a lower rate than others, again, the most obvious explanation isn't that those courses are inefficient, it's that students who need remedial courses aren't as good of students as others, so they're less likely to graduate.
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I think a lot of kids are told they're going to college
Apr 6, 2016, 4:13 PM
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especially if they're from middle and upper-middle class families, no matter what kind of student they are. And even more so if those kids haven't expressed any interest or acumen in learning a trade of some kind because the parents don't know any other way to get them out of the house and into the work force. Plus, South Carolina high schools really push the 'everyone needs to go to college' routine pretty hard, even though that's just not true.
Reminds me of one of my good friends and Clemson roommates that took the brick mason curriculum all through high school at the career development center and took the SAT on a lark and ended up getting into Clemson. His family was almost off the grid...when I went to his house the only thing store bought was flour, salt, and other staples like that. The hunted, fished, and gardened almost everything they ate. When my buddy graduated in Parks & Rec, he then went down to Louisiana and was a chemist on an off-shore oil rig for many years. He's back home in Cross Anchor, SC and hunts, fishes, gardens, and makes the little cash that he needs working as a journeyman handyman. One of the coolest, smartest, and most country dudes you ever wanted to meet, but sharper than most. He would be the first to tell you he was a terrible student in high school, but he knew how to work harder than anyone else.
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Ding ding ding - this.
Apr 6, 2016, 5:04 PM
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I'm a former high-school Spanish teacher who worked at a fairly affluent, midlands-area high school, and I had to deal with this all the time, especially because they needed language credits to get into college.
I was told by one parent that their child couldn't fail, because she was going to be "an orthopedic surgeon," regardless of the fact that she couldn't spell (in English or Spanish) the words orthopedic and surgeon.
But hey, who am I to crap on some kid's college dreams...
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The state perpetuates some of that because they have to
Apr 6, 2016, 8:41 PM
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justify what we're getting for our tax dollars by showing some sort of key indicators. They treat the schools exactly like the government run clusterphux they've become.
The Mrs. is a high school Spanish teacher in a rural school...but I think you and I have talked about at some point long, long ago.
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Que dios le bendiga (your wife)
Apr 6, 2016, 9:41 PM
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El sujeto es el mensaje.
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I'll pass that on.
Apr 6, 2016, 10:27 PM
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I KNOW she appreciates the empathetic blessing, LOL!
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Most of the young people in this position have no reason to be enrolled in college.
Apr 6, 2016, 10:02 PM
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It's not the education system failing them. It's them failing them.
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