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Can you even imagine how long it will take
May 27, 2021, 11:27 AM
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to play a complete game if this happens?
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Re: Can you even imagine how long it will take
May 27, 2021, 1:59 PM
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Ha. That’s funny right there.
Can you imagine #15 filing a grievance with his union rep. over Dabo demoting him to 2nd string.
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Re: Bill introduced would allow college athletes to form unions
May 27, 2021, 11:28 AM
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Anything to increase the number of unions.
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Re: Bill introduced would allow college athletes to form unions
May 29, 2021, 10:13 PM
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Hopefully that was a joke? Unions have no place in the US. Not in manufacturing nor certainly in amateur athletics. They are only out for the dues income.
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Re: Bill introduced would allow college athletes to form unions
May 27, 2021, 11:28 AM
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Anything to increase the number of unions.
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Re: Bill introduced would allow college athletes to form unions
May 28, 2021, 4:33 PM
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And their “dues” go straight to Act Blue.
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Re: Bill introduced would allow college athletes to form unions
May 27, 2021, 11:31 AM
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this sucks. Why ruin a great thing!!! My son will not enjoy college sports as much as I have and I hate it!!!!!
#Don'truincollegesports!!!!
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Re: Bill introduced would allow college athletes to form unions
May 27, 2021, 11:32 AM
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Horrible Idea!!!!
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BC it's already been ruined as a rights issue for decades
May 27, 2021, 11:51 AM
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"Big time college sports haven't been 'amateur' for a long time, and the NCAA has long denied its players economic and bargaining rights while treating them like commodities," Murphy said in a statement Thursday morning. "...It's a civil rights issue, and a matter of basic fairness."
He's not illegitimate here, whether we like it or not.
I don't love it. But the CFP proved we can make changes & everyone arguably benefits from it.
In this case, like it or not, it's a rights issue that's vastly long overdue.
Frankly the idea of CLEMSON guys being a part of any union is hard for me not to see as a benefit for all involved because of the character & ethics among Clemson players & culture consistently over the last decade or so.
Bottom line, the NIL (name/image/likeness) stuff is inevitable, which makes unionization a necessary side effect by nature. It's the last straw, so to speak, but I don't think it COULD ruin the sport of college football or any college sport for that matter, it's just different.
Frankly I think we have to accept the possibility that the experience will be BETTER. The idea of Trevor Lawrence doing a commercial for Sushi Go in Greenville, for example, is hugely exciting to me.
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Clemson will, most likely, not be able to sustain our
May 27, 2021, 12:37 PM
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football and other sport success simply because we do not have the big donor fanbase like OSU, Michigan, Notre Dame, Texas, etc.
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Re: Clemson will, most likely, not be able to sustain our
May 27, 2021, 1:16 PM
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time will tell but you well may be right
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I'm not so certain
May 27, 2021, 1:28 PM
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After all, Clemson has had immeasurable success in spite of all of those things.
IPTAY, too, is still arguably the most unique & effective fundraising arm in college sports, even if the overall revenue & donations are less than other teams (otherwise Texas & TAMU would be elite every year, too).
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Those focused on their popularity versus talent will
May 27, 2021, 2:01 PM
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choose those mentioned solely because they can be paid more than what Clemson will be able to offer. But, those commercials with our former QB .. they will be great.
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If they do
May 27, 2021, 2:55 PM
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Those guys aren't Clemson guys in the first place then, right?
Trevor came from money. Other schools have more money, but we've been able to compete financially with the best.
Why not now? Clemson, right inbetween Charlotte & Atlanta and a stone's throw from Greenville certainly seems vastly more opportunistic for revenue than, say, Norman, Oklahoma or Knoxville, TN, or virtually any school in the PAC12.
Besides, it's not about what Clemson can offer outright, but the opportunities Clemson can HELP them find.
Arguably our A/V department has done more to elevate awareness, engagement and value than most, and that's just one example. Frankly Clemson is, in my opinion, a much better example of how a smaller, non-traditional power can control its own destiny all the way to the top of every competitive level of the sport, both on and off the field itself.
Clemson is living proof, and we're in a golden age.
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Re: BC it's already been ruined as a rights issue for decades
May 27, 2021, 12:53 PM
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Every player in every sport knowingly and freely signed a LOI with knowing that their reward for playing college sports was for what ever scholarship that was being offered for their sport they could play. They are not going to work on a job everyday, they are going for an education that will allow them to play sports if they are good enough. Determining the sport, they can be offered their college education for free plus incentives.
Anybody that can't see what they're wanting to do with college sports will turn it into a bidding war, then they're not very smart at all. It will ruin college sports, and it will be to late to save it after Big Brother, and the big brother controlled unions has their way of governing college sports!!!!
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But they're doing that now, including at Clemson?
May 27, 2021, 2:50 PM
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Let's assume no players are being paid right now and everything is equal.
Make no mistake, many players have chosen Clemson explicitly BECAUSE of the extra incentives Clemson has been able to provide (rather than other schools having more money but every elite player not always choosing them regardless).
For example, the amazing new facilities we built, the putt-putt course, the basketball court, those incentives have been tipping points for many Clemson players, including elite ones, rather than simply loving the coach or oddly wanting to move across the country for otherwise no good reason but an education. This includes players who come from money/privilege, from Trevor Lawrence to Johnny Manziel. Trevor loved Tennessee. So how did we get him here? The facilities didn't hurt, right?
I'm not sure how so many are so certain this will ruin college sports, but if you're right, so be it. After all, this is a rights issue plain and simple; an otherwise unpaid group of people are making countless others immense wealth. I don't think all players will only care about money and the sport will disappear, so to speak, but if that's the worst-case scenario and it actually does happen, then it arguably needed to.
Here's hoping instead we get some good Clemson guys in the ACC union & they represent the kind of future we all want for college sports.
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A rights issue??
May 27, 2021, 7:58 PM
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I guess I'll have to read the Bill of Rights again to see where I missed the section that explains where College athletes have a "right" to be considered unionizing employees in lieu of students at their respective colleges. It's probably in the same section that states free healthcare is a right....These politicians make it sound like these scholarship athletes get absolutely nothing in return for agreeing to play a sport at a particular college. I guess the value of a free college education, free room and board and a monthly stipend is worthless in their eyes.
It will only get worse for college sports from here. Politicians ruin everything they touch, particularly Marxist ideologues like Bernie Sanders. Enjoy college sports while you can because within 10 years the politicians and their legislative oversight will ruin college sports as we know it.
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Bill of rights?
May 28, 2021, 10:58 AM
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I'm confused; nobody said college athletics had anything to do with the first ten amendments of the U.S. Constitution?
Nothing in return?
Tabbyplague, did you read the article above first? It sincerely & explicitly explains a lot of the things you're alleging to the contrary, know what I mean? It has most of the answers to the questions you're asking, too, so hopefully that will help, but we can chat about it here any time, I just want to make sure we're all on the same page first.
It's not about politicians really at all, for example, and frankly that's more accurate to what's going on NOW compared to what they're trying to fix in the future with this change. Right now, all the power exists elsewhere, as it always has, and to the tune of countless billions of dollars. Moving some of that power to the players for the first time, I dunno, frankly I'm surprised we weren't more upset about this for decades, but having any Clemson players help represent the ACC would be a tremendous thing IMO.
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Re: BC it's already been ruined as a rights issue for decades
May 28, 2021, 9:10 PM
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You are clueless and ignorant.
First, the Democrats are only doing this because they have been trying to tax the billions of dollars made by the NCAA for years. This is not about helping players. By allowing players to unionize they will be able to say they are employees and now they will be able to tax scholarships and all the money schools make and all the money the NCAA makes.
Anyone that says that college athletics especially football and basketball players are not amateurs are idiots. Less than 2% of college football players will ever play professional football. But a football scholarship is what gets the overwhelming majority of these black kids out of poverty. Getting an athletic scholarship for the overwhelming majority of black athletes probably well over 90% makes them the first person in their family to ever go to college and is tons of black families are brought out of poverty. Not because those kids play professional sports, but because they get a college degree. Not to mention the networking and other benefits.
NIL is only going to benefit a handful of athletes. The top 20 football programs will have a few players that will make some decent money. And that is it! People that think this is going to be a windfall for student athletes are just stupid! Clemson has been a perennial playoff team. The only players on last year‘s team that would’ve made any significant money thanks to NIL are TL and ETN and the money TL would have made would dwarf ETN. This is going to create jealousy and divide locker rooms and create all kinds of other problems. Professional athletes with managers and agents and all the help professional athletes get don’t know how to handle money. College kids that come from poverty that all of a sudden get given a bunch of money we’re gonna do stupid #### and it’s going to ruin their lives and create a lot of problems!
Tons of colleges will cancel football programs or drop from D1 which means it will basically kill their entire athletic department and other athletic programs. Tens of thousands of kids especially minorities that go to college on a free scholarship and change the trajectory of their entire family and bring their family out of poverty will no longer go to college. This is going to decimate college sports and it’s gonna hurt the exact people the Democrats say they care about. But anyone with two functioning brain cells has known for decades that the Democrats don’t give a #### about the people. They simply manipulate and brainwash those people for political power! Anyone that doesn’t know that is just ####### stupid! Stupid blind and brainwashed! None of this is about helping kids and #### sure not minorities. This is about money and power! And Democrats have never ever understood there are always vast and critical unintended consequences. But it’s further proof they don’t give a ####! They want to burn things down. They want to destroy this country and the economy. They want everyone dependent on the government! And they don’t care who they have to hurt to get that power and control!
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Re: BC it's already been ruined as a rights issue for decades
May 29, 2021, 10:37 AM
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“ First, the Democrats are only doing this because they have been trying to tax the billions of dollars made by the NCAA for years. This is not about helping players. By allowing players to unionize they will be able to say they are employees and now they will be able to tax scholarships and all the money schools make and all the money the NCAA makes.”
Yeah, that’s right Frito. The Dems started to chip away at it by making most’ IPTAY donations non-deductible, thereby collecting more tax from the donors. Oops, that wasn’t them.
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Re: BC it's already been ruined as a rights issue for decades
May 29, 2021, 10:18 PM
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This is an insane post from someone who has not lived in the real world. Name 1 good thing unions have done in the last 50 years. It’s all and only about the union dues and the salaries. Of their leaders.
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Re: Bill introduced would allow college athletes to form unions
May 27, 2021, 11:53 AM
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So getting a quality education that will stay with you your whole adult life is not enough. Cork is out of the ###. I remember when I was grateful for a trip to the beach for a weekend with a friends family.
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Re: Bill introduced would allow college athletes to form unions
May 27, 2021, 11:57 AM
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If the libs get their way=I AM ALL OUT!
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It never was.
May 27, 2021, 3:01 PM
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So getting a quality education that will stay with you your whole adult life is not enough.
An education alone was never was enough, to be fair. That's why Coach Swinney helped convince Clemson to build new facilities, the pool, the mini-hill, the S&C building, our nutrition program & players' mess, the basketball court & barber shop & putt-putt course & arcade, et al.
Otherwise Stanford, for example, would always be considered an elite powerhouse competitor in football.
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it will kill it, not help it***
May 27, 2021, 12:25 PM
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Can you elaborate?
May 27, 2021, 12:35 PM
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You think Clemson football, for example, is going away for good, or that many fans won't participate with Clemson football because of it & they don't want to see Trevor Lawrence on their TV's for a Kia of Greer commercial?
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You do realize Trevor is no longer a "current" Clemson
May 27, 2021, 12:39 PM
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athlete.
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I do realize Trevor Lawrence left Clemson, yes, of course
May 27, 2021, 1:53 PM
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But please don't deliberately miss the point; I thought Trevor was a good example because he was so talented & seemed to be universally liked, didn't get into trouble, etc.
Substitute DJ's name in Trevor's place above and let's go from there.
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Maybe people will like a min-NFL in college
May 27, 2021, 6:25 PM
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people are generally simple and easy to entertain. What I and many love about CFB will turn into players having more control over the coaches and discipline will get worse. Programs like Clemson's will suffer because Dabo works on strong discipline and the player's will be able to override that.
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Override Dabo?
May 28, 2021, 11:06 AM
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Programs like Clemson's will suffer because Dabo works on strong discipline and the player's will be able to override that.
Can you elaborate by what you meant on this part?
IMO, Dabo & many other programs will still have strong discipline by nature. The way I see it, having guys from Clemson to represent the ACC in a union and WITH that discipline will be a tremendous asset to protect them from being exploited, for example. Thoughts?
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We we already had strikes last year, so seems they are
May 27, 2021, 12:26 PM
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pretty much there...
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Re: Bill introduced would allow college athletes to form unions
May 27, 2021, 12:32 PM
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People that have no business sticking their noses, with their opinions into college sports and trying to force their opinions into law, will be the finale nail into completely ruining college sports that matter. The other sports will be left alone unless they become popular, and a way is seen where it can be profitable. FB, Basketball, and baseball will become semipro sports, and colleges will be the losers, and that will be sad bc, colleges are the ones that has grown these sports to where they are today. It will be just another case of Big Brother taking over where they have no business!!!! It reminds me of when you buy a piece of property, it will be somewhere in the contract, or the deed, that the city or county owns all mineral rights to your property if any is ever found. American can't ever fully own anything of great value bc Big Brother can take it at any time. Taxes can never be paid off on property of value, and that equals that it can't ever be privately owned. You can claim it as yours, as long as you pay Big Brother forever Tax on it!!!!!
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Re: Bill introduced would allow college athletes to form unions
May 27, 2021, 12:37 PM
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But this is about the players?
It's a rights issue, know what I mean?
I guess my point is I hear you about people not involved with the playing the sport itself being the ones to decide its fate and/or profit from it, however that's exactly what's been going on for decades across countless billions of dollars of revenue.
This unionization is the opposite of that; putting some power finally back in the hands of the players themselves, conference by conference.
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Re: Bill introduced would allow college athletes to form unions
May 27, 2021, 3:09 PM
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Power was not ever to be for student/athletes or students. They are there to get an education for their parent’s money. Some are fortunate enough to get scholarships for academic talents, others for athletic talents. Just like I saw a couple of years ago, it’s slipping down the slope real fast now. Looks like heading for a large drain.
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Students don't make billions for others for free, though
May 27, 2021, 3:32 PM
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If all students were helping make other groups billions while making nothing, then they could be compared much more closely.
The vast gap of revenue to performance is unique to two sports in particular.
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Re: Bill introduced would allow college athletes to form unions
May 27, 2021, 12:41 PM
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Well Heck, I thought getting a free education was a pretty cool thing back in the day.
Hope this doesn't pass.
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It would have been SOOOOOO much easier if the schools had
May 27, 2021, 12:41 PM
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just upped their stipend to $1,000 a week to play a revenue sport instead of all this ####...But the schools were just too ####### greedy and tried to buy them off with slides and barber shops in the practice facilities
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It's the opposite, IMO
May 27, 2021, 2:04 PM
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The barber shop & putt-putt course at Clemson, for example, is an EXTRA thing we CAN give them because we can't give them money.
The conferences are making billions, but these guys give more than just the value of an education. It's simply a matter of it being VASTLY disproportionate for decades, now more than ever.
I get the argument that our players don't deserve ANYTHING than an education and nothing more, I just disagree personally I suppose.
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You couldn't be more wrong***
May 27, 2021, 4:37 PM
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Not true, but thanks for the response.
May 27, 2021, 4:45 PM
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Not sure why, but OK.
I don't mind disagreeing, but good talk.
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We spend all the money on mahogany lockers and other
May 27, 2021, 6:54 PM
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luxuries so we can claim that we don't have the $ to actually pay them...We spend over 12 million dollars on our coaching staff, we don't have $500K to spread among the players?
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Re: We spend all the money on mahogany lockers and other
May 28, 2021, 11:00 AM
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We spend over 12 million dollars on our coaching staff, we don't have $500K to spread among the players?
We have $500k, but we CAN'T just give it to players.
What we can do, and arguably have done exceptionally well, is spend millions on THINGS the players can enjoy including things that get them to agree to come to Clemson in the first place. It's defined this era of the sport, essentially. I celebrate Clemson for giving back to the players so much; they certainly seem to enjoy it, too, know what I mean?
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They already get a stipend, we just need to up it guy, it's
May 28, 2021, 12:40 PM
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not that difficult
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They probably will
May 28, 2021, 1:52 PM
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They'll likely do both, albeit not without the help of the players own voices. That's what this provides, in essence. Hope this helps.
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Only a couple dozen ADs turn a profit
May 29, 2021, 10:45 AM
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And for some, it’s just on paper. In the late 80s/early 90s Clemson was one of a handful to turn a profit on a much, much smaller budget. Where does all the money come from, you ask? John McCain and the Telecomm Act of 1996 - “deregulation” that increased our cable bills five-fold and gave ESPN all that money to burn.
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Re: Bill introduced would allow college athletes to form unions
May 27, 2021, 12:54 PM
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Scholarships would be taxed if employees as would any other wages or benefits.
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Scholarships are already taxable
May 29, 2021, 11:00 AM
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excluding costs for tuition, books and supplies (but room, board, cost of attendance). Have been since 1987.
These are grants-in-aid. Maybe there’s a distinction.
But if you work for a company now that has tuition benefits (basically any big company), the benefit isn’t taxable if it helps you in your “current” job description. For example, for an engineer who gets an MS or PhD in engineering or science, the tuition reimbursement isn’t taxable. If he gets a law degree to become a counsel for the company, it is. However, if the company moves him to the counsel office and he does legalish work, then it isn’t again. If a technician goes to school to become an engineer, it’s taxable. If the company promotes him prior to the degree, it isn’t.
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Re: Bill introduced would allow college athletes to form unions
May 27, 2021, 12:54 PM
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Scholarships would be taxed if employees as would any other wages or benefits.
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Re: Bill introduced would allow college athletes to form unions
May 27, 2021, 12:54 PM
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Scholarships would be taxed if employees as would any other wages or benefits.
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Re: Bill introduced would allow college athletes to form unions
May 27, 2021, 1:21 PM
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I am heartsick abut this. Doing this will take the fun and joy out of college sports for me. I never thought college sports would become a baby NFL. I know that the culture will change within the locker room, too. Camaraderie between players will be lost because player 1 might have more marketable skills than player 2. With all their new found financial gain, they will have to hire agents, financial planners, etc. Recruiting visits will become all about how much money you can make if you play for "us." I can't imagine enjoying college sports when you realize that that players are playing for Clemson because they got the best financial option, rather than because they love Clemson and representing her!
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CU Medallion [67791]
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Re: Bill introduced would allow college athletes to form unions
May 27, 2021, 1:22 PM
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Great now a grievance is filed if you are asked to guard someone who is not your man
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Re: Hopefully; my grandson will soon be signing his LOI
May 27, 2021, 1:59 PM
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to play football for a small college in Tennessee. Right now, a student without the benefit of any scholarship or grant money would be looking at paying this school $80,000 plus by the end of four years. If my grandson were to get anymore than what the school promised him, that's great, but if he doesn't get a dime more than tuition and fees, we'll take it with a hoop and a holler. A college athlete gets a free education, that would ensure a bright future, and gets to participate in a sport that he probably loves to begin with. How is that not being paid?
However; if a kid has his face or name plastered on an advertisement, then he should receive compensation. It's only right. There are high school kids that are in commercials or ads for local businesses, and I'm sure they are compensated some way or another. I have to ask how would being a college athlete be different.
Anyway, I feel like it will probably get much bigger than paying a kid to do a commercial, and that will be the end of college sports as we know it, and it will be a shame.
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You are the worst.***
May 27, 2021, 2:51 PM
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Bernie Sanders has his fingerprints all over this bill.
May 27, 2021, 2:54 PM
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And, with a de facto Democratic Congress, it will pass, and college football is doomed.
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Re: Bernie Sanders has his fingerprints all over this bill.
May 27, 2021, 4:58 PM
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I don't see WVA's Manchin, the Democrat/Republican who is the swing vote, voting in favor of this.
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Re: Bill introduced would allow college athletes to form unions
May 27, 2021, 4:45 PM
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Sorry! I'm not supporting pro athletes in training. Let the NFL pay for that and have minor league teams.
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Liberals and their reverse King Midas Touch.
May 27, 2021, 6:54 PM
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Everything those cootsuckers touch turns to crap and is ruined forever.
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CU Medallion [58406]
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How about this ...
May 27, 2021, 7:40 PM
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Before any college athlete receives one dime of compensation, they should be required to meet all of the exact same entrance requirements as my children, meet all of the same academic requirements every step of the way, carry the same course loads and be a full-time student FIRST. Go to class, do the work, turn in assignments, take the tests, all actually working toward a real college degree. They should not be be paid for any time they are not enrolled as full-time students or are not in academic good standing. Do all of that and only then would I consider unions and getting paid or whatever. Otherwise, college athletics are ruined for good.
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Re: How about this ...
May 27, 2021, 10:17 PM
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Unions and paying players are just bad ideas. Both would ruin college sports.
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You're in luck!
May 28, 2021, 11:02 AM
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That's already happening so we're ahead of schedule and on the right path.
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Re: You're in luck!
May 28, 2021, 2:12 PM
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I’m not sure why you come on this board except to have contrary opinions ..... none of which are in the best interest of Clemson athletics. I suspect that you are not a Tiger fan nor have any real interest in keeping the tradition of Clemson sports alive. That’s all ok ....... just don’t claim to care.
If all of this happens I am sure TV and endorsement money will pay all the bills because I sure no longer will ..... nor many others I suspect..
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All-Pro [654]
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Huh?
May 28, 2021, 2:26 PM
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Huh?
I'm definitely not here for that, though?
None of which are in the best interest of Clemson athletics? Where is this coming from? It feels like you're deliberately ignoring the deluge of explicit compliments I frequently cite here, for example. Then again, at least in my case you can hear me say it on the podcast, see me say it on Fête Greenville TV, and watch me participate from the pics & stories we publish to support Clemson football in particular, including Trevor's first TD as a Tiger or having the Royal Highland Fusiliers rub the rock, et al.
And again, someone disagrees, so you just chalk them up to not being a Clemson fan? What IS that?!
Why not ask questions instead? I honestly don't get it. It seems to contradict the lessons we celebrate Coach Swinney for, for example. I'll respond to any questions, always, but I don't think it's unfair to suggest Clemson football is doomed from this union thing.
I LOVE Clemson. I have a hard time listening to so many people only insist that this will kill Clemson football & that's it's all motivated by politics; if we learned anything last year from our own Tigers it's that things aren't equal and they're determined to do something about it.
I will say this, I think we have had the same system of unpaid ammeter athletics for so long now we don't just take it for granted but we take it for providence; we believe this is the way it has to be, no matter how unjust it always has been, & now more than ever.
Honestly, I see certainly the potential for things to be better than ever, and, more to the point, for Clemson players to lead the way among all other programs. Clemson-based small businesses will now have opportunities we never had before, like, say, DJ doing autographs at Mr. Knickerbocker for a fun meet-the-players event, or seeing him in a commercial for Vangelis in Seneca or something, all kinds of possibilities.
Bottom line, it's happening whether we like it or not. It had to. How we handle it is up to us, but how the players handle it is up to them. I'm thankful for any of the Clemson Tigers to represent the ACC for exactly that. Hope this helps better understand where I'm coming from and why I don't think the sport is doomed to die.
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CU Medallion [58406]
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Rrrrrrrrrrrrright.***
May 28, 2021, 2:12 PM
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All-Pro [654]
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Can you elaborate?
May 28, 2021, 2:29 PM
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Honest question, would you mind elaborating on what's different for the players getting their degrees & such from Clemson University? I feel like I'm missing something here, but the things you listed above are all the same prerequisites regardless of sports so I may simply be missing the point is all. Do you mind elaborating?
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CU Medallion [58406]
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I don't believe it for one second, and nothing you say will
May 29, 2021, 10:39 AM
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convince me, so save your breath.
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All-Pro [654]
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Huh?
May 29, 2021, 2:11 PM
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I think you may have been responding to a different comment? Anyway, let me know what you think.
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CU Medallion [58406]
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No, I'm responding to you. Let me help you out ...
May 29, 2021, 7:07 PM
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I don't believe for one second that all college athletes are required to meet all of the exact same entrance requirements as my children, meet all of the same academic requirements every step of the way, carry the same course loads and be a full-time students FIRST. I don't believe all of them go to class, do the work, turn in assignments, take the tests, and are legitimately working toward a real college degrees the same as my children or ordinary students would be required to do.
Again, allow me to repeat: I don't believe it for one second, and nothing you say will convince me, so save your breath.
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All-Pro [654]
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K thanks
May 30, 2021, 10:38 AM
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I hear you, and I'm not trying to change your mind, if that helps.
I just don't know how in 2021 a football player at Clemson could get away with bad grades, not taking classes & not being accepted for the same prerequisites before earning a degree.
If it were found to be true, Clemson would likely lose its accreditation outright. That I think we can both agree would be horribly tragic.
Hopefully that's not what's happening, but if you're right, hopefully we can continue to keep it under wraps for all our sakes I guess. Cheers Smiling Tiger.
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Re: Bill introduced would allow college athletes to form unions
May 28, 2021, 3:17 PM
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It’s really only the same NCAA athletics we all know and love. Plus payments. Plus intercollegiate poaching via the transfer portals. Plus unionization.
But it’s definitely not professional sports in any way...
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