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Can running back Shipley surpass Lyn-J Dixon?
Jul 9, 2021, 1:26 PM
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These seem to be our 2 most Explosive players in the backfield and I hope 1 of them emerges as a leader and separates themselves like Etienne did several years back.
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Re: Can running back Shipley surpass Lyn-J Dixon?
Jul 9, 2021, 2:15 PM
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Pace will emerge as the toughest running back we have.
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Re: Can running back Shipley surpass Lyn-J Dixon?
Jul 9, 2021, 3:37 PM
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I don't know about that. Pace is really, really good, but Mafah is bigger, stronger, faster, and had better high school coaching (his high school produced Wayne Gallman, one of our top 5 running backs ever, and his coach felt Mafah was better. Mafah strikes me as the exact type of back that's helped Alabama for the last decade. I envision an offense with both him and Shipley in the backfield along with a vertical passing game to spread the ball around to all our great receivers.
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Re: Can running back Shipley surpass Lyn-J Dixon?
Jul 9, 2021, 4:46 PM
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Course Gallman came in as a LB.
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Re: I liked Gallman for his toughness and all, but i really
Jul 10, 2021, 3:00 PM
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By numbers, it's pretty clear. He's #6 in career rushing yards, despite playing for only 3 years. Only Terry Allen (at #9) played less than 4 years in the top 10. His 2015 season was the third most rushing yards by any Clemson running back in history. He's #4 in career rushing touchdowns and his 2016 season was #3 all time in TDs. He's #5 in career yards per rush. And he did not have the supporting cast that Etienne had most of his career. If he had played his senior season, he would have only needed 500 yards and 7 touchdowns to end up #2 in both career yards and TDs. He was also phenomenal at blocking on passing downs.
I would say Clemson's top 10 running backs order is pretty clear (though I think 1 and 2 are splitting hairs and could go either way).
1. CJ Spiller
2. Travis Etienne
3. James Davis
4. Wayne Gallman
5. Raymond Priester
6. Andre Ellington
7. Terry Allen
8. Travis Zachery
9. Fred Cone
10. Cliff Austin
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Re: I liked Gallman for his toughness and all, but i really
Jul 10, 2021, 3:42 PM
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I like your list except for there’s no way I put James Davis a number three. Eight or nine at best
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Re: I liked Gallman for his toughness and all, but i really
Jul 11, 2021, 8:32 PM
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Ridiculous. He's #2 in basically every stat, and did at a time when Clemson's offense was terrible. Those Bowden offensive lines were horrible, but he was a star with them.
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Re: I liked Gallman for his toughness and all, but i really
Aug 22, 2021, 9:11 AM
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I am going to guess that you are 35 years old. We always think that the ones that played during "our time" rank higher than what they really should. Maybe that is why I think anybody that puts Terry Allen lower than 3rd is insane, but there is absolutely no way that James Davis or 6 others rank ahead of him as Clemson running backs.
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Until Etienne, Terry Allen was the best Tiger RB ever.
Sep 21, 2021, 12:19 AM
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CJ was the best all-around ball carrier for sure, but far from the best pure RB.
And if I need a tough first down, there’s nobody I’d rather hand the ball to tha Raymond Priestet.
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Numbers only tell part of the story... Terry Allen was the best
Jul 10, 2021, 10:34 PM
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RB I've ever seen at CU, based on pure talent. You have to take the era into consideration and how defenses were geared to stop the run. You only passed on 3rd and long. Terry Allen could shake&bake and take it to the house, but he earned a lot of his yards between the tackles and "moving the pile". Somehow gaining 4 yards when he was first hit in the backfield.
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Re: Numbers only tell part of the story... Terry Allen was the best
Jul 11, 2021, 8:38 PM
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I tried to incorporate the eras. I considered the era, the teams they played with (if I considered just numbers, Etienne wins easily), and the stats. Putting the team on their back also gets some bonus points. Allen played in a tough time (but keep in mind some of the others played in tougher times like Cone). He had good stats. But he played on some great Clemson teams with NFL caliber offensive lines. Despite playing with that kind of talent, his numbers don't match up with a lot of the others. Still great, but I can't put him higher based on hypothetical talent.
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Re: Numbers only tell part of the story... Terry Allen was the best
Aug 21, 2021, 5:01 PM
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You are wrong in your assessment of Allen and Dark Side is correct.
Good day sir!
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Re: I liked Gallman for his toughness and all, but i really
Sep 22, 2021, 12:22 AM
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Shipley should be on that list, I know he’s young but he’s setting the example & getting the yards we need, he will continue to improve also. Mikey Dukes might surprise us all soon!
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Gallman wasn’t flashy but he just got it done
Aug 20, 2021, 6:50 AM
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Hard nosed down hill running. I can’t remember another back in the last 20 years that could beat on a defense like him.
5 ypc for a whole game is demoralizing. He didn’t have a bunch of pros on his OL either.
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Re: Can running back Shipley surpass Lyn-J Dixon?
Aug 20, 2021, 4:49 PM
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I agree about Mafah, he is going to be a stud but definitely don't count Pace out for this season. I think Shipley is going to be the Utility player that you see all over the field in KR and PR, slot, rb, etc. Think Kamara or McCaffrey, I think that is Shipley's role at least initially.
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Re: Can running back Shipley surpass Lyn-J Dixon?
Jul 9, 2021, 6:19 PM
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One thing I know about spring games, the guy who gets the most carries disappears in the fall. Pace is a solid back and will provide us nice depth for years, but Mafah should have no problem winning the job by mid-year, if not a lot sooner. He is the best back on campus, it is not even that close. Shipley goes down like a sack of potatoes when arm tackled. Mafa is a bad dude with a nasty stiff-arm, and is the kind of guy you do not look forward to tackling.
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Re: Can running back Shipley surpass Lyn-J Dixon?
Jul 10, 2021, 2:01 PM
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I think Mafah won’t be able to overcome the freshman wall to win the starting job. Almost every freshman (ETN included) can’t seem to get the offensive blocking scheme down in first season. And not like we had stars at RB in 2017. I feel it will be a heavy dose of Lynn J and Pace this season with Mafah and Shipley sprinkled in. Now 2022. I totally agree with you. Mafah and Shipley will be 1a, 1b
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Not sure if it’s the blocking scheme or physicality
Aug 20, 2021, 6:52 AM
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I think most of them aren’t physical enough to block well. You have to hit guys bigger than you. Mafah is built for blocking. I think that part should be easier for him.
I like him as much as Balm does
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Nah… Lyn-J, Pace, and Mafah…
Jul 9, 2021, 2:18 PM
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I think they will use Shipley as a utility player on offense. Some carries, screens, jet sweeps, etc…
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Re: Nah… Lyn-J, Pace, and Mafah…
Jul 9, 2021, 2:21 PM
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I wonder how long it will take for Shipley to get back into "football shape" since it has been 2 years since he played in a real game. Obviously I hope the UGA pre-game warm up will do it.
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Re: Can running back Shipley surpass Lyn-J Dixon?
Jul 9, 2021, 2:23 PM
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I think protecting QB1 will be the top priority. It doesn't matter who is fastest or most explosive if they haven't picked up the blocking scheme. Generally, the older backs will be better at this. Generally...
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Re: Can running back Shipley surpass Lyn-J Dixon?
Jul 9, 2021, 3:39 PM
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Yep. That will be huge against a team like Georgia in game 1. (Georgia was 4th out of all Power-5 teams in PFFs team pass rush grade with a 87.2)
Clemson returning RB PFF pass block grades from '20:
Lyn-J Dixon - 55.6 on 31 pass block attempts
Kobe Pace - 28.4 on 10 pass block attempts
Darien Rencher - 12.8 on 10 pass blocking attempts
Michel Dukes - 71.8 on 3 pass blocking attempts
For context:
Travis Etienne - 42.8 on 70 pass blocking attempts
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Re: Can running back Shipley surpass Lyn-J Dixon?
Jul 9, 2021, 5:18 PM
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I think people are underestimating Lynn-J. He was looking really good two years ago and was ready to replace ETN until he decided to come back and then Lynn-J got hurt. I remember two years ago ETN coming out of the game and Lynn-J going in and looking just as good, no drop off. Pace will be a factor and good change of pace. Shipley and Mafah are the future and will get their touches and look good but both need to adjust to the new level. Remember when CJ left everyone was worried but Ellington came in and took over. Then he left and McDowell had a good year. Believe me we will be in great shape and I think Lynn-J will be a big part of if.
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Agreed. Lynn J is not going to move many piles or lower his
Jul 10, 2021, 12:46 AM
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shoulder and run over defenders. NOT. GOING. TO. HAPPEN. That does not mean he isn't, or can't be an outstanding running back, our best running back, our starting running back, and the one who gets the most touches. The idea of the only acceptable RB being one who runs in a straight line and bulldozes over everybody and never ever tries to avoid contact is a myth dreamed up by TNET retards. The fact is some of the greatest HOF RBs in history have gone to great lengths to dodge and run away from would-be tacklers on the way to long, spectacular runs. Lynn J has shown a tremendous knack for this, yet instead of understanding and appreciating his running style, he often draws the ire of focktard fans who would rather see him run head-on into a brick wall instead of trying to run around it where he stands a better chance. If somebody can beat Lyn J for touches, more power to them. I think we are talented and deep at RB and I would take that as a huge positive.
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I don’t think we saw enough of Shipley in the
Jul 10, 2021, 2:10 AM
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spring game to tell. I know one thing, comparing him to Spiller is crazy. Spiller’s quickness has never been seen at Clemson and very few other places. He could turn out to be pretty productive but we have way too many talented players now for him to get the touches that Spiller got and rack up those kind of numbers. I still see RB as a logjam right now that we’re going to have to wait and see.
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Re: I don’t think we saw enough of Shipley in the
Jul 10, 2021, 8:28 PM
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GT defenders liked this take! ????
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Re: Can running back Shipley surpass Lyn-J Dixon?
Jul 9, 2021, 2:48 PM
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Get lost coot.
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Re: Can running back Shipley surpass Lyn-J Dixon?
Jul 9, 2021, 3:21 PM
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Blocking is critical and if you remember the knock on Etienne was that his blocking needed to improve. It certainly did as the years passed. They can all run and the blocking from the entire team is critical as well as the ability to not go down on the initial hit. Etienne was unbelievable after the first hit. I think the guys in the backfield can be very special this year.
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the answer is yes, Shipley is already #2
Jul 9, 2021, 4:41 PM
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I'm amazed at the people on this board that continue to overlook him. They have no idea what is about to happen.
Big backs are great, but slow feet don't cut it. Prime example was Tavian Feaster.
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Re: the answer is yes, Shipley is already #2
Jul 10, 2021, 2:11 PM
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Shipley will be #3 at best this season. Got to learn to block. We’ll see him in situational stuff this season. Getting about 3-4 touches a game.
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Where you at Jerry?
Sep 20, 2021, 9:51 PM
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nothing worse than people that think they know what they are talking about but have no clue.
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Can marlborocountycoot surpass tigers2021 ?
Jul 9, 2021, 6:04 PM
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They are the same person
FNO
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Why can’t you ever add anything worthy of any insight
Jul 9, 2021, 6:56 PM
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Clemson80Tiger
You’re too obsessed with “who I am,”in which I have no clue who you are referring to, to even contribute anything meaningful to this board.
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Re: Why can’t you ever add anything worthy of any insight
Jul 9, 2021, 8:49 PM
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Disagree. clemson80tiger is merely pointing out your awe-inspiring efforts to supplant the leader as the all time coot Scok-monster.
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Re: Can running back Shipley surpass Lyn-J Dixon?
Jul 9, 2021, 6:40 PM
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He can, but we all know how Dabo goes with the older players (most of the time). Not that there's anything wrong with that. I trust the coaching staff to do what's best for the team.
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Re: Can running back Shipley surpass Lyn-J Dixon?
Jul 9, 2021, 7:25 PM
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247 Charles Power -- Shipley owns a sturdy, filled out frame. Could add some more weight within his upper body at the next level, but likely isn't too far from his ideal size. Tests as a top athlete at running back, consistently running sub 4.5 seconds in the 40-yard dash in addition to strong track times. One of the most productive running backs in the 2021 cycle, leading his team to an undefeated season and state title as a junior. Breaks off long runs at a high rate, using his speed to get to the edge and pull away from defenses. Has good vision and effectively reads his blocks and finds daylight. Runs with physicality and shows the ability to break arm tackles at the second level. Embraces all aspects of the position and is a complete back. One of the more skilled pass catchers among backs in the 2021 cycle and is a threat as a receiver out of the backfield. Can continue to improve his body lean, lateral agility and wiggle as a runner. Projects as a multi-year starter at the Power Five level with the upside of developing into an early round NFL Draft pick.
247 Rob Weinstein -- Clemson could avoid drop-off at RB with true freshman Will Shipley. D.J. Uiagalelei is widely expected to emerge as one of college football's top quarterbacks, and Ross' return will help at wide receiver. Running back is a bit less clear. But 5-star true freshman Will Shipley could be the answer there. On the "Late Kick" podcast, 247Sports' Josh Pate singled out Shipley as one of his top impact true freshmen for the 2021 season and dropped some numbers that show Shipley is just as impressive as Etienne athletically — if not more so.
“Running back is a big focus at Clemson right now. Travis Etienne, feels like he has been there since, like, the Bush Administration," Pate said. "So he’s gone now. Travis Etienne out, and Clemson you look at as one of the very few programs that’s still capable of duplicating production even though they lose obviously a long-established talent at the position. Will Shipley is a 5-star running back, and he’s coming in. I want you to listen to these athletic comparables.
"So the athletic profile, as we call it: 40-yard dash time with Travis Etienne was a 4.45, and Shipley is a 4.45 guy. The vertical, a 33 1/2 for Etienne, 36 for Shipley. Shipley is a really good East-West guy. His athleticism surprised even the Clemson staff. Dabo Swinney was public about it. He said, ‘He was better than we thought he’d be,’ and this is talking about a true freshman in his first spring practice. Physically, also Dabo said, ‘way ahead of where we thought he’d be.’ This is a guy that they can afford — once he earns that trust — to put him on the field this year. And he’s gonna be a guy you look at and say, ‘Boy, I thought they were gonna drop off at that position.’ And it turns out, they really didn’t.”
As a Prospect
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So the question is "when does Shipley earn that trust?" As for UGA fans, nothing to see at Clemson RB position. Up to 5 backs could be leading carrier at first game. Blocking will be the question.
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Jul 9, 2021, 7:43 PM
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Thanks for those informative articles
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Re: Can running back Shipley surpass Lyn-J Dixon?
Jul 9, 2021, 7:51 PM
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Any of them will be great, if the line is great. ETN was getting hit 2 yards deep last year.
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Some of y'all are hilarious
Jul 9, 2021, 7:57 PM
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I remember all spring when Shipley was being touted as the next CJ Spiller that was going to challenge LJD for starter out the gate.
Yet most of the spring I heard Pace was a "man amongst boys" according to DHood's sources.
I ain't saying that Shipley or Mafah don't pop off and make say great plays this year...I LOVE where we are with RB depth and based on what I saw in the game we have a DEEP RB room with Pace in the lead.
Here's how it starts IMO:
1A - Kobe Pace - too many reports that came out of camp about this dude in the spring to just be noise. I actually enjoyed watching him run over guys last year as we haven't had a power back like that in a while. On paper, it's easy to see the other names unless you've watched this guy play. I wish he could've gotten more carries last year but all signs are pointing toward KP being a serious contender for the starting role.
1B - Lynn J Dixon - he gets the start, would love to see him have a breakout season but I think it's going to be tough. LJD has had explosive moments but I gotta feeling he's in for a CJ Fuller/Feaster/Choice role where he's a great change of pace back but maybe not the lead horse for this team
2A - Shipley - versatility edge that gives him the one up on Mafah right now... possible CJ Spiller clone with a lighter skin tone, super excited to see him on the field. He could totally take over like the young #9 ETN did his freshman year with more reps but his RB competition is better than what ETN faced as a freshman.
2B - Phil Mafah - recovering from senior year injury so naturally he falls back but ONLY because of that, not potential.... HUGE ceiling that I could see either forming a Thunder and Lightning combo with Shipley or a three head monster should Pace do what's been reported in the spring. As others have pointed out, a Bama-esque back on the Tiger roster.
Lord I pray the OLINE gets to help these boys make some highlights reels for the right reasons
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Re: Some of y'all are hilarious
Jul 9, 2021, 8:08 PM
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I'm with you on blocking. But I believe it's premature to compare Shipley and Mafah after 5-10 practices to RB's who have been at Clemson 1-3 years. You can't replicate sub-4.5 speed in practice, but it shows on game day.
I'd also say Dabo and TE could improve OL performance by running some off-tackle plays or letting the back pick his hole. Every running play does not have to be behind guards and center as we've shown all defensive coaches on film for four-plus years.
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Re: Some of y'all are hilarious
Jul 10, 2021, 12:12 AM
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I'm with you on blocking. But I believe it's premature to compare Shipley and Mafah after 5-10 practices to RB's who have been at Clemson 1-3 years. You can't replicate sub-4.5 speed in practice, but it shows on game day.
I'd also say Dabo and TE could improve OL performance by running some off-tackle plays or letting the back pick his hole. Every running play does not have to be behind guards and center as we've shown all defensive coaches on film for four-plus years.
Oh definitely trying to keep it as neutral as possible for the Freshman RBs. Only mentioning my view on what I saw in highlight reels and some of the spring game.
I remember the hype for Tavien Feaster who was going to be THE back we were all waiting on and watched him have a solid career but nothing close to the hype.
Since then I've been super cautious in expectations and hype surrounding players. Take DeMarckus Bowman - the player that transferred to Florida.
Plenty of hype coming in and IMO he didn't really flash when he got carries. Reminded me more of a Ray Ray McCloud vibe where he's athletic but not exactly meeting expectations that came with a 5* rating.
ETN or Spiller...as FRESHMAN you knew those 2 were ballers when they touched the ball - special players with the IT factor. Now D. Bowman may very well still turn out to be a great player but I just didn't see it when he was on the field.
IMO Kobe Pace had more of a sleeper feel. Like when I watched him play last year, I wanted to see him get more carries because there was just something different about his style and vibe that seemed like he could be a gamer.
Not that anyone could have called it because it was definitely limited playing time KP saw but hearing the talk coming out of spring camp and seeing the spring game...I think KP is about to hit another level.
Of course, it could certainly all turn around and Mafah and Shipley just kill it or Lynn J Dixon just takes hold of the starting job and has a great year.
Tribble Reese looked like the better QB compared to Cullen Harper in one of the spring games way back when...yet Harper had a pretty darn good Junior year (nothing to talk about nowadays but in the 2000s it was pretty good) and Tribble Reese....who remembers Tribble Reese from those days? He transferred to CSU and that was that.
Appreciate the conversation btw SocMan2 - Love talking football but I'll happy when the speculation stops and we spot the ball come Labor Day weekend - ughhhh just a couple months left!
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I can guarantee with 100% certainty ...
Jul 9, 2021, 11:54 PM
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nobody on here knows.
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Re: I can guarantee with 100% certainty ...
Jul 10, 2021, 12:43 AM
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i can watch Kobe Pace make Tyler Venables look silly on one play, then get stripped by Sheridon Jones on the next. LJ is our guy until someone else proves otherwise, and it will be Mafah IMHO. The coaches know what they have here, that is why you did not see much of him in the Spring game, and when you did, he did not disappoint.
think Jams Davis back in 2005 when we a log jam RB with Reggie Merriweather, Demerick Chancellor , Duane Coleman, and Kyle Browning, yet Davis Just came in and took the job. I expect the same from Mafah. He is just better than these guys, and physically, coming in as a true frosh, he looks more developed than Pace, at least to me. If he is as advanced at Pass Pro as the coaches say, he will be our guy.
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You may be right. I think we are deep and talented at RB
Jul 10, 2021, 12:53 AM
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with guys who bring different things: Power, explosiveness, speed, quickness, experience, and combinations of all of those. It's clearly Lynn J's job to lose, but we'll find out just how good and ready Mafah and the others are, for sure. I suspect a lot of guys get important touches this year, depending on the situation.
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Re: You may be right. I think we are deep and talented at RB
Jul 10, 2021, 1:18 AM
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When I look at Mafah, I am reminded of ETN and Gallman, he runs angry and with purpose. He is one cut up the middle and streaking past the safety. He is not a burner, but the kid has eyes in the back of his head, his awareness and vision are exceptional. Most importantly, he does not put the ball on the turf.
Shipley underwhelmed in the spring game, he had 6 carries and 13 yards. He racked them in High School untouched because he could beat kids to the sidelines then put on the jets, that will not cut it at this level, you need to find other ways to get him into space.
Pace, I am still not sold on. I would not be surprised if he had a monster year and turned out to be a gem. But I know that Mafah was Jimbo's guy at ATM, and Clemson scooped him up a week later cause we get some love over at Grayson. I am not an insider by any stretch, but I have heard from a couple of people who are that Mafah is raising some eyebrows. If he comes out of August healthy, after spending the entire summer reading about how Pace is the next great one, then watch out. Just my 2 cents.
Also, watch some interviews with the kid, as soft-spoken and as humble as they get. he reminds me of Travis that way.
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Re: You may be right. I think we are deep and talented at RB
Jul 10, 2021, 11:27 AM
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We hit on both the freshman RB’s, Chez Mellusi transferred because he saw the talent coming in play.
My personal opinion is Shipley will rise to the top & get plenty of carries because he’s a breakaway waiting to happen.
He’s much tougher than most think, I believe his yards after hit will be high because of his balance. Mafah is a heck of a back too. He & Phil have been friends for a few years. I’d love to see both play in goal line situations, of course Pace will have plenty to say about that.
Lyn-J will have 1st shot at starting & being the star this season. He was very consistent before he got hurt, hopefully he’s even better now & he has a Heisman type year.
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Re: You may be right. I think we are deep and talented at RB
Jul 10, 2021, 1:18 PM
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i am just not seeing it with Shipley. I think the above poster nailed, he will fill in some depth at RB this year, but we will see him more as a role player on jet sweeps, rb screens, and rolling him out into the slot. I do not see him taking the job from LJ unless he gets injured. Mafah should work his way into the rotation as our power back. He just has "it", would-be tacklers just kind of slide off of him, he is a lot like ETN in that sense, just without the xtra gear.
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One thing we can bet on...1 or 2 of these guys will be
Jul 10, 2021, 7:55 AM
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in the transfer portal by the end of the season!
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I have my money on the dark horse
Jul 10, 2021, 1:22 PM
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Phil Mafah
Absolute unit and he’s explosive
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Re: Can running back Shipley surpass Lyn-J Dixon?
Jul 10, 2021, 1:52 PM
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He’ll be a nice change of pace back this season. He won’t become the clear #1. Kobe Pace will more likely become the leader in carries in my opinion. He knows our blocking scheme and is a heck of a 1cut and hit it back. But watch out for a 1-2 punch in Shipley and Mafah next season. Pace will have to battle Mafah for the power back role.
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I think some here will be disappointed...
Jul 10, 2021, 2:41 PM
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by the amount of playing time freshmen Shipley and Mafah receive.
LJD is a serviceable back. Nothing more, nothing less. IMO, Kobe Pace has a good chance to surpass him at some point during the season. Those two guys will get the lion's share while everyone else fights for scraps. However, there should be plenty of garbage time to give everyone a chance to show what they can do.
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Re: Can running back Shipley surpass Lyn-J Dixon?
Jul 10, 2021, 8:33 PM
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It won’t matter unless the OLine improves drastically.
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Re: Can running back Shipley surpass Lyn-J Dixon?
Jul 10, 2021, 10:56 PM
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Don’t disagree, though it’s a given, no?
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Re: Can running back Shipley surpass Lyn-J Dixon?
Jul 13, 2021, 5:18 PM
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Re: Can running back Shipley surpass Lyn-J Dixon?
Jul 13, 2021, 7:32 PM
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I'm officiate high school ball. I had Shipley in one game. LynJ is much better. Shipley is a tough runner but he doesn't have breakaway speed. Good kid but 5 stars? IDK. Personal opinion. I had DK in a game. Awesome talent. Better than Shipley. But a thug. Not a Clemson dude. Shipley is.
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LJD doesn't have breakaway speed
Jul 14, 2021, 1:06 AM
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He's a smart instinctive, fairly athletic, serviceable RB. As long as he doesn't put the ball on the ground, that might be good enough.
Kobe Pace will be breathing down his neck from the start. Hopefully Shipley and Mafah push the issue sometime during the season. I'm not counting on it.
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Re: Can running back Shipley surpass Lyn-J Dixon?
Jul 13, 2021, 7:50 PM
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I can't wait to see the Freshman horses along with Pace, but I think LJD knows that he's the man this year and has been putting in the work this off-season. Awesome problem to have and incredibly fun to discuss. Feels like the old NCAA video game (please come back soon!) when you have an absolute stable of RBs.
Also, someone earlier mentioned that Phil seems to be that style of RB that Bama keeps rolling out and is spot on. Watched his highlight film earlier and thought the same exact thing.
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Re: Can running back Shipley surpass Lyn-J Dixon?
Aug 19, 2021, 8:18 PM
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Gotta keep this one going ????
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Re: Can running back Shipley surpass Lyn-J Dixon?
Aug 19, 2021, 8:18 PM
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Gotta keep this one going ????
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No***
Aug 20, 2021, 11:06 AM
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Re: Can running back Shipley surpass Lyn-J Dixon?
Aug 20, 2021, 3:47 PM
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Shipley will be number 1 back by seasons end if he stays healthy....
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Re: Can running back Shipley surpass Lyn-J Dixon?
Aug 21, 2021, 3:58 PM
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R I P Tigers2021
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Re: Can running back Shipley surpass Lyn-J Dixon?
Aug 21, 2021, 10:04 PM
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Yea. Not sure why the mods haven’t nuked your other scok you poasted this with. Soon enough I am sure.
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Meant to Tell You .... I Got a Note
Aug 21, 2021, 10:31 PM
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From your mom and sister, they said they won't be home tonight so make your own breakfast in the AM. Also they left some meth in the cupboard. Thanks for loaning them to my buddy's getting out of prison party.
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Re: Meant to Tell You .... I Got a Note
Aug 21, 2021, 10:39 PM
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?? wow!
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Re: Can running back Shipley surpass Lyn-J Dixon?
Aug 22, 2021, 9:22 AM
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Everybody seems to be looking for somebody other than Lyn-J to step up because of last year. Are we forgetting that Etienne had trouble running behind our line last year? I believe that our line is much improved and the whole running game will be on the uptick.
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Re: Can running back Shipley surpass Lyn-J Dixon?
Sep 21, 2021, 8:52 AM
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Welp, that "seperation" thingy you spoke of...........has come to fruition.
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Re: Can running back Shipley surpass Lyn-J Dixon?
Sep 21, 2021, 9:15 AM
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Looks like Tigers2021 was right after all.
Too bad he’s not around anymore to defend himself!
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^Found her^***
Sep 21, 2021, 9:18 AM
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Was he right, though?
Sep 22, 2021, 12:16 AM
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CooterDickDown
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