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The inescapable reality of the refugee crisis
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The inescapable reality of the refugee crisis

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Sep 9, 2015, 12:04 PM

http://www.nationalreview.com/middle-east-refugee-crisis-past-and-future


Anyone with a sense of decency and humanity would want to help those who have been through harrowing experiences and have arrived, exhausted and desperate, on the shores of Europe.

But the story will not end there, if they do.

With refugees, as with all other human beings, the current generation will pass from the scene.

Those who may be grateful to have found a refuge from the horrors of the Middle East will have a new generation of children in Europe, or in any other place of refuge, who will have no memory of the Middle East.

All the new generation will know is that they are not doing as well as other people in the country where they live.

They will also know that the values of their culture clash with the values of the Western culture around them.

The inescapable reality is that it is an irreversible decision to admit a foreign population of any sort — but especially a foreign population that has a track record of remaining foreign.

And there will be no lack of “leaders” to tell them that they have been wronged, including some who will urge them to jihad.

No nation has an unlimited capacity to absorb immigrants of any sort, and especially immigrants whose cultures are not simply different, but antagonistic, to the values of the society in which they settle.

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.....is that we broke the Middle East, and didn't fix it.***


Sep 9, 2015, 12:27 PM



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we broke it?

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Sep 9, 2015, 1:04 PM

5000 years of tyrants, and we broke it?

Go on....

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Re: we broke it?


Sep 9, 2015, 1:07 PM

lol, you often pull large objects out of your ####?, wait... nevermind.

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For the sake of humanity, and all that is good, please stay out of the Metaverse.


Re: we broke it?


Sep 9, 2015, 3:29 PM

They've been warring over there since as far back as we can tell..at least 1200 years before the great pyramids.

But we broke the place? Bull ####.

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One thing is for certain......


Sep 10, 2015, 7:54 AM

if Saddam Hussein is till in power, there is no ISIS.
I hope #### head Cheney got the opportunity to visit Palmyra back in the day when he was sukking Saddam's peepee on Jerry Ford's watch. His grandbabies will never see it.

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I'm not sure anyone can say that with 100% confidence***


Sep 10, 2015, 10:12 AM



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The Pottery Barn rule

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Sep 9, 2015, 2:11 PM

Colin Powell:
"It is said that I used the “Pottery Barn rule.” I never did it; [Thomas] Friedman did it … But what I did say … [is that] once you break it, you are going to own it, and we’re going to be responsible for 26 million people standing there looking at us.

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So it was "fixed" at some recent point in the past?!?***


Sep 9, 2015, 2:15 PM



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Perhaps it was more of a big pile of poop.

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Sep 9, 2015, 2:22 PM

And then we went in there and smeared the poop all over the place. Now instead of one confined mound of poo, we've got fecal matter covering a wider array and making a bigger mess.

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Could be...the Obama admin change of strategy there...


Sep 9, 2015, 2:27 PM

sure spread even more poop.

A LOT of this has to do with stealing failure from the jaws of victory in Iraq.

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Yeah Iraq was really just success after success until 2009.***


Sep 9, 2015, 2:43 PM



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It certainly had turned around big time....


Sep 9, 2015, 3:29 PM

the surge was a success by all accounts.

The Obama admin couldn't (or better yet didn't) secure a status forces agreement because President Obama promised to pull everyone out. He was set on that path, consequences be d@mned. And, in large part, we're now seeing the consequences.

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He wanted to leave around 10,000 special forces/advisers...

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Sep 9, 2015, 3:46 PM

but Iraqi government wanted to stick to Dubya's deal, which was full pull out. (They quibbled over American troops having immunity from prosecution by Iraqi government)

http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2014/aug/24/martha-raddatz/obama-wanted-keep-10000-troops-iraq-abcs-raddatz-c/



Thus the problem with altruistic invasions of other countries. By instilling a "democracy" in Iraq,at some point, you have to leave and abide by their decisions.

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So what is Obama doing back in there?***


Sep 9, 2015, 3:55 PM



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Iraqi government asked for help

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Sep 9, 2015, 4:05 PM

http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/tr/security/2014/06/iraq-isis-expansion-mosul-maliki-us-assistance.html

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-27905849

Also this:
http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2015/07/29/iraq-only-accepts-fraction-of-us-equipment-to-fight-isis

"Iraq may then be kowtowing to a different master, Biddle says. Accepting 300 MRAPs may be just enough to help American leaders believe they remain Iraq's greatest patron, but not so many that it attracts unwanted attention from Iran, which has also prioritized backing an Iraqi government managed by fellow Shiites.

"They've been trying to have it both ways for a long time," Brennan says. "Since the U.S. has left [in 2011], Iran has gotten even more entrenched throughout both the economy as well as the security structure."

"I think there is a good possibility the government of Iraq is trying to balance that.""

Once again: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S9YuD9kYK9I

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But Obama said everything was under control and

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Sep 10, 2015, 8:28 AM

the US did not need any troops to stay behind. In fact, it was his campaign promise to pull US forces out of Iraq.



http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/aug/11/obama-adjusts-iraq-narrative-now-blames-george-w-b/?page=all


Obama adjusts Iraq narrative, now blames Bush for troop withdrawal:

The president who spent years touting the withdrawal of all U.S. forces from Iraq suddenly has had to distance himself from that action.

At the White House on Saturday morning — less than 48 hours after authorizing airstrikes against Islamist militants and humanitarian air drops to save the lives of trapped Iraqi civilians — President Obama blamed his predecessor, George W. Bush, for the absence of American troops in Iraq and rejected the assertion that he could have left a small peacekeeping force in the war-torn nation.

He uttered those after three years, and a successful re-election campaign, in which the full removal of U.S. forces from Iraq was cast as this White House’s most significant foreign policy achievement and one Mr. Obama had promised all the way back to the earliest days of his first presidential campaign in 2008.

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is quagmire considered a "victory?"

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Sep 9, 2015, 3:17 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6BEsZMvrq-I

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When one chooses not to play with poop from the beginning


Sep 9, 2015, 4:22 PM

One does not smear the poop.

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because one does not smear the poop...does not...


Sep 10, 2015, 8:47 AM

mean the poop won't be smeared

say Confucius

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